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well i think its obvious that youd be able to burn them to dvd to watch on your tv....i dont think people wanna watch a movie on their emac or even their 17" imac....they like their living rooms.

id expect superdrives to become more standard in the next year or so
 
i very much doubt that this will happen, ever. as per the question above, pixlet is somewhat like the movie version of aac, but not really. pixlet provides the highest quality video compression format on the market. it does not sport high compression, but for the quality, the compression is good.
 
Re: Not yet

Originally posted by Waluigi
It takes me about one to two hours to download a 1GB movie depending on the connection speed with my cable modem. I'm assuming apple will have no problem on their end sending out the movies, but until the average consumer can download a full HD movie in 5 to 15 minutes (yes, I know, it sounds ridiculous), this is just not plausible.

As others have noted, the "startup time" can be 5-15 minutes on a good connection today, and the rest streaming while you are watching it.

As for codec, I'd expect an MPEG-4 variant (Quicktime, XviD, DivX, WMV, etc) offerring VCR-quality video at about 800 MB for a 2-hour movie, or perhaps DVD-ish quality at 1500 MB for a two-hour movie. Pixlet is aimed at minimal-artifacts multiple-round-trip compression, not at get-it-as-small-as-possible-to-stream compression. I wouldn't expect to see that particular technology in play here.

Now, that all having been said, I do agree that it is too early to offer this. Not enough of the country is broadband-equipped (much is not even bb-capable still), and a good portion of that which is bb-equipped has relatively low QoS and reliability (meaning, dropped packets and "hiccups" ... hardly the best basis for a streamed-to-your-living-room video solution). Also, of course, the Mac-in-the-living-room piece isn't quite there yet, although I'd expect both the hardware and the service to debut simultaneously for maximum impact. This may or may not be the best time to be pushing for such hardware, though.

Finally, the real sticking factor for me is that the iTMS should be getting full focus from the web and legal mavens at Apple right now. I don't think it has proven the Apple server capacity and scalability sufficiently yet; I'd hate to inflict massive-demand video streaming on the same servers and see them brought to their knees. As far as this is concerned, a relatively conservative approach woul be to wait at least one year after the full-market iTMS launch to launch a new massive service on the same framework.

That all having been said, all of this would take time to set up and implement. I wouldn't be overly surprised if Apple weren't actively pursuing this line of thought today, perhaps even getting preliminary agreements into place. I just don't expect it to debut any time soon.
 
Originally posted by Nermal
I don't think bandwidth will be too much of an issue, not at the consumer's end anyway. Let's say the movies are about 700 MB, that's about 1:30 on a 1 Mb/s connection, which means that your average movie would be able to play in "real-time" while you download it. Let's say you've got a 768k connection, that's about 30 mins of buffering at the start of the movie, which is probably similar to the time it'd take you to drive down to the local video store, find and buy the movie, come home, and prepare chips and dip :) (I live in a smallish town and it might take way more than 30 mins to do this in a city).

I don't know what the average connection speed is for most people. Different countries have substantially different broadband offerings - over here in NZ you can get a 128k or 256k flatrate connection (most people go for 128), or you can get a "full speed" (up to 8 Mb/s) connection but you have to pay by the MB. Therefore most people go for the flat-rate. I hope this changes in the future - the DSL pricing structure hasn't been revised in the last 4 years!

OK, I'll stop ranting...

The problem isn't on the consumer's side. Broadband is exploding and continues to do so. The problem is on Apple's side. Do you have any idea how much it would cost to stream 600mb? Especially if Apple were to use Akamai (which is expensive as hell). The reason that broadband is so cheap is because all the upload bandwidth is sold to companies at hyper inflated prices leaving a glut of download bandwidth. Unlike streaming trailers, streaming movies would require shifting all the bandwidth charges to the consumer. There already is a rental service for the PC and it's already failed beause it's $5 a rental with inferior quality compared to a DVD. Even if they halved the price. Why do that when I can get 3-6 DVDs a week for $20 a month from Netflix or Walmart.

On-demand is the only advantage right now. The pricing isn't there, the quality isn't there. It's just way too early for a movie service. I just really don't see it taking off, just like the failed pc movie service.
 
Originally posted by Chef Ramen
well i think its obvious that youd be able to burn them to dvd to watch on your tv....i dont think people wanna watch a movie on their emac or even their 17" imac....they like their living rooms.

id expect superdrives to become more standard in the next year or so

Um no. There's a reason why DVD movies have copy protection.
 
It does sound like Apple is looking to the future for this one, the new net standard IP6 is meant to be designed for straming content over the net.

Anway there are at least a few million people that can take advantage of this service now. There are lots of people in Asia in places like Sound Korea that get there TV through their 10-20Mbit net connection.
 
LOL
I saw this pop up this morning on various news wires and I was wondering how long it would take to be picked up in MacRumors

For all German speakers here is the quote-

Cagni antwortete darin auf die Frage, ob sein Unternehmen eines Tages einen Internet-Verkaufsladen auch für Videos anbieten werde: "Das kann ich ihnen nicht sagen. Das ist aber sicherlich eine gute Idee."

Cagni answered a question, if 'Apple' would one day offer an Internet-shop for videos as well - I can't say anything about it but it surely would be a good idea.

Now, this quote has been picked up and by many news services.

It gives Apple the publicity we all want for them, however here something was put in his mouth and his comment was entirely innocent when you read it in context. I would not spend too much thought on it -
Sorry to be such a bad sport
 
Originally posted by Trimix


For all German speakers here is the quote-

Cagni antwortete darin auf die Frage, ob sein Unternehmen eines Tages einen Internet-Verkaufsladen auch für Videos anbieten werde: "Das kann ich ihnen nicht sagen. Das ist aber sicherlich eine gute Idee."

Cagni answered a question, if 'Apple' would one day offer an Internet-shop for videos as well - I can't say anything about it but it surely would be a good idea.

right. lots of things i think would surely be a good idea. doesn't mean anything. thanks for the original quote in the original tongue. it does show he merely expressed an opinion on an idea offered up for discussion. nothing more.
 
Personally, I think Apple should buy TiVO. Either that, or launch a similar product, which sits in your living room and networks with your Mac either via Airport Extreme or wired Ethernet. Then, you could browse the Quicktime store, download any movies you want and watch them in your living room or on your computer. I think they should be in MPEG-4 with 5.1 AAC (Pixlet was never meant for this purpose). The nice thing about MPEG-4 is that when people's connections improve, the quality can be scaled up.

Also, this set-top-box could record TV programs directly to your Mac's hard drive in MPEG-4, and maybe even have a superdrive in it for DVD recording (it would then record in MPEG-2, obviously).

I don't think it should be able to burn the downloaded movies, though, as this would a) piss off the movie companies, and b) result in bad quality due to the MPEG-4 to MPEG-2 conversion (lossy-to-lossy).

You could even use it to browse the store in your living room with your remote control! How cool is that? The quality would be good, too. MPEG-4 can be as good as, or even better than DVD-quality. Of course, it would need to be encoded from the original uncompressed version, not from a DVD.

Despite all this, I don't think Apple are ready for this just yet. They need to wait for people to get faster connections, or more specifically, for more people to get the fast connections that some already have.

As much as I hate it, I think DRM will probably be essential for this movie store. There's NO WAY the movie companies will sign otherwise. It will probably be heavier DRM than in iTunes, too. I reckon we'll be lucky to get one burn of the movie. And it won't convert to DVD, either, as this would sacrifice quality. Instead, they'll just let us burn a DVD with the original MPEG-4 on it (if they let us burn at all). But then, if they release a set-top-box (which I know is far-fetched, it's just an idea), we won't need DVDs. Especially if they make it cheap.

Of course, there would be other boons to releasing such a box. Not only could it play your movies on your TV, it could be used to play your MP3s and AACs in your living room, through your stereo or TV, maybe even displaying an iTunes visual on your TV. They could easily make a version of iTunes that is navigable via a remote control. With the superdrive, you could also burn CDs in the living room, and rip them, and have them ready in your iTunes library on your mac. That's the beauty of a networked solution over a stand-alone product that just records to a built-in HD. It could probably do the same with your iPhoto library; displaying slide shows with music and fading effects, ripping Photo CDs, burning Photo CDs and DVDs etc. And, of course, it could do all the stuff that a normal TiVO can, like pausing live TV, rewinding etc. The possibilities are mind-boggling.

Of course, there's no evidence to date that I know of that Apple might be pursuing something like this, I just think it would be a good idea for them.
 
I definitely see this as being possible, but its probably going to be a while before it happens. Also, if you get a streaming movie it might help, but if I bought it I'd want it on my harddrive.

Technology will have to play catch up with this plan though. We've got a bit of a wait.

D
 
Broadband

Originally posted by Nermal

I don't know what the average connection speed is for most people. Different countries have substantially different broadband offerings - over here in NZ you can get a 128k or 256k flatrate connection (most people go for 128), or you can get a "full speed" (up to 8 Mb/s) connection but you have to pay by the MB. Therefore most people go for the flat-rate. I hope this changes in the future - the DSL pricing structure hasn't been revised in the last 4 years!

Wow, I didn't realize how good we have it here in Japan.

With FTTH I can DL a CD (650MB) in 70-80 seconds and a DVD (4.2GB) in 7-9 minutes. :D :D

Sushi
 
Originally posted by Plastic Chicken
I'm assuming 3MB/s is the high def spec, so half of high def (which is probably what they would distribute) would be 5 gigs for a whole movie.
First, I'd be stunned if half-HD movies over broadband happened any time soon. The bandwidth is here for SD movies with serious compression now, but even half HD is still 3 times the bandwidth of SD in terms of pixels per second.

Also, I want to get my prediction on the record here: iFlicks. ;)
 
We need competition in broadband for this to happen

Broadband will never achieve what its capable of until something is done. Cable is pretty much trying to make the internet like television. They have too many restrictions. DSL isn't close to cable in performance.

Now there's talk of fiber to your house but the FCC has decided to let the companies own the fiber. So if Verizon runs fiber to your house, you have to go with Verizon. If you switch services, the fiber is useless.

We really need the government to build the infrastructure and then allow many companies to compete. Instead we get the FCC helping out a few companies which hurts consumers.
 
Originally posted by TyleRomeo
what else are you going to store on these new SATA drives that will hit over 500GB by next year.

Tyler

Forget that, holographic storage is almost here. Now there is some serious storage.
 
Re: We need competition in broadband for this to happen

Originally posted by jocknerd
Broadband will never achieve what its capable of until something is done. Cable is pretty much trying to make the internet like television. They have too many restrictions. DSL isn't close to cable in performance.

Now there's talk of fiber to your house but the FCC has decided to let the companies own the fiber. So if Verizon runs fiber to your house, you have to go with Verizon. If you switch services, the fiber is useless.

We really need the government to build the infrastructure and then allow many companies to compete. Instead we get the FCC helping out a few companies which hurts consumers.

The government does not need to build the infrastructure. Second, Verizon cannot own all the fiber to the house, as they are a regional bell. Your local telephone company owns the infrastructure in their area, but you can get service from a different company. Guess what, it uses the same wire, the same switch, etc. Everything is the same, except where the check is sent.

Not to turn this into politics, but why would anyone want the government to get more control on out lives?
 
Let me guess whats next the Movie Store(via iMovie) and the Photo Store(via iPhoto). The Movie Store could be like Netflix (www.netflix.com) and the Photo Store would be for Stock Art/Professional use.
 
Originally posted by lloyd
Personally, I think Apple should buy TiVO. Either that, or launch a similar product, which sits in your living room and networks with your Mac either via Airport Extreme or wired Ethernet.

A German company has something similar to that. They displayed is earlier this year at an Electronic Expo, within the past 5 months. Wired only connection though.
 
Since the source is the "Berliner Zeitung" I do not believe a single word. The BZ is one of the worst tabloid "news"papers in Germany. Probably just something a bored "journalists" came up with to fill the paper.
 
Pascal Cagni

I wouldn't take it too seriously at the moment if Pascal Cagni is behind the rumour. He keeps saying lots of things only to be contradicted by Cupertino.

For excample, the most recent one was that Europe would get Apple Stores then Fred Anderson said 'Apple has no plans for international stores at the moment'

I'm not bothered about that, but what does annoy me is that you can't take anything this man says seriously.

He's come out with other things too which escape me at the moment.
 
Originally posted by Lanbrown
Forget that, holographic storage is almost here. Now there is some serious storage.

that's what i've been thinking for some time now -- all these techno advances are gonna be needed for that damn holodeck sitting in the back of my house that i haven't been able to hook up yet.:D
 
Originally posted by Jeff Harrell
...The bandwidth is here for SD movies with serious compression now, but even half HD is still 3 times the bandwidth of SD in terms of pixels per second....

Minor quibble here, but wouldn't half HD be the same bandwidth of SD in terms of pixels per second?? (It should be faster than the bandwidth of SD in terms of frames per second).
 
Originally posted by Shrike_Priest


Still, this is a good five-six years away. but I don't think it's impossible.

Go to 25-50% of dorm rooms across the US, your future is already here.
 
Originally posted by GetSome681
Go to 25-50% of dorm rooms across the US, your future is already here.

You can't build a business model based on 25% of college students in the US.
 
Re: Pascal Cagni

Originally posted by bluedalmatian
I wouldn't take it too seriously at the moment if Pascal Cagni is behind the rumour. He keeps saying lots of things only to be contradicted by Cupertino.

For excample, the most recent one was that Europe would get Apple Stores then Fred Anderson said 'Apple has no plans for international stores at the moment'

I'm not bothered about that, but what does annoy me is that you can't take anything this man says seriously.

He's come out with other things too which escape me at the moment.

Well, Apple is opening an official shop in Japan.
 
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