Apple to Pull 'iDOS 2' DOS Emulator From App Store

[szr]

There is an option, buy the other platform. You want something different that the vast majority of Apple customers, stop trying to force everyone else to change to meet your wishes.

1) Having such an option as side loading or some alternative way of installing is not something that is likely to force anyone to change who doesn't wish to.

Your assertion reflects a very broken way of thinking, and reminds me of old threads (on here and other places) in the past concerning the ability to delete individual items from the OSX Trashcan instead of having to temporarily remove everything else to a temp location and empty, plus having the ability to just delete files or folder on the spot. I remember all sorts of people cropping up crying foul even though it wouldn't affect anyone who didn't want to use the proposed new optional feature.

You want something different that the vast majority of Apple customers

2) With respect, you do not speak for anyone else other than yourself. Everyone can differ in some way on some aspect of something, you cannot just take a position that you some how know what is in everyone user's minds. Jail-breaking, for example, would never have lasted as long as it has if there weren't a significant amount of people who wanted to do more with their hardware, so that line of thinking is not necessarily as small as you want to make it out to be.

 

[Admiralbison]

Doesn’t matter anymore for me.

I’ve gotten off the iOS bandwagon on to better alternatives that gives me more control than Apple over the products I own and use.

Have a Samsung Galaxy Fold 3 that’s replaced my iPhone 7 plus - despite how much I don’t like Android it simply offers more innovations, freedom and use cases e.g. emulaitions galore and more App stores.

Looking at the Microsoft Surface Laptop Studio, that has a real and capable computer OS, to replace my 2020 iPad Pro that’s simply a limited large iPhone minus the calls.

 

[pdoherty]

Doesn’t matter anymore for me.

I’ve gotten off the iOS bandwagon on to better alternatives that gives me more control than Apple over the products I own and use.

Have a Samsung Galaxy Fold 3 that’s replaced my iPhone 7 plus - despite how much I don’t like Android it simply offers more innovations, freedom and use cases e.g. emulaitions galore and more App stores.

Looking at the Microsoft Surface Laptop Studio, that has a real and capable computer OS, to replace my 2020 iPad Pro that’s simply a limited large iPhone minus the calls.

Minus the calls? If you setup your info correctly on the iPad so it has your iPhone’s number in it, etc, you can receive calls on the iPad. And texts. And emails. And your passwords are synced as are photos.

 

[cmaier]

2) With respect, you do not speak for anyone else other than yourself. Everyone can differ in some way on some aspect of something, you cannot just take a position that you some how know what is in everyone user's minds. Jail-breaking, for example, would never have lasted as long as it has if there weren't a significant amount of people who wanted to do more with their hardware, so that line of thinking is not necessarily as small as you want to make it out to be.

Jail breaking proves his point. Very very few people ever jailbreak. Certainly not “most” iphone users.

 

[Admiralbison]

Minus the calls? If you setup your info correctly on the iPad so it has your iPhone’s number in it, etc, you can receive calls on the iPad. And texts. And emails. And your passwords are synced as are photos.

Yes, if you have an iPhone.
I know, but I’m talking about the iPad’s capabilities as a stand alone device and it is severely lacking as a “computer replacement” which has to do with iOS running the device, nothing to do with the ecosystem.

Besides, messaging, calls etc is can be done also across Android and Windows devices and cross platform between the two as well.

MS Surface LS with Win 11 can do this with ‘you phone‘ app
Samsung Dex allows you to manage, call, message etc your phone wirelessly with a PC, Mac and smart tvs.

 

[szr]

Jail breaking proves his point. Very very few people ever jailbreak. Certainly not “most” iphone users.

You make it seem small and in comparison to the act user base of the iDevices, that may be, but there were still enough to keep new jail-break methods coming for each new release of iOS.

 

[cmaier]

You make it seem small and in comparison to the act user base of the iDevices, that may be, but there were still enough to keep new jail-break methods coming for each new release of iOS.

If one guy really wanted to jailbreak there would be jail breaking. People develop the exploits for the technical challenge and community cred, not because they have customers.

 

[szr]

However, Apple were clear before you purchased the device what restrictions they applied. Given your attitude, not sure why you would buy a product from such an evil company.

To be honest, I cannot recall ever seeing in any advertisement, whether on television, the web, youtube, billboards when driving, or in any of the information near devices in an Apple Store, or even on their website last I remember, stating how the device is restricted. I would therefore conclude that they, in fact, do not make this readily clear, certainly not upfront, to any prospective buyers.

Not really tho - it’s not an open platform.

A system doesn't need to be open for user's to retain certain rights granted by law (in the United States, at the constitutional level.) These protections state that a user is allowed to be on control of that which they own. As I've stated previously, a user does not own the IP that represents the work that is the software (be it the OS, or an application for it) but the user does own, via possession, that instance of it, as it falls within the user's private domain, and as such (as per provisions like the First Sale Doctrine), have the sole right to tinker, disassemble, peer side of, or modify, just as anything else that we own. This why so devices have been modded in so many interesting ways, even though with very closed systems like game consoles.

"user choice" is not high on the list of priorities for Apple customers. Just look at many who suffer "paralysis by analysis" in trying to pick an iPad model, or storage capacity within a model.

If Apple were to give users the choice to sideload apps, it would cause those who feel safe and secure to become unsettled... there would be a tension between that feeling of safety and FOMO (fear of missing out) if a sideloaded app became popular. The tension introduced by the ability to sideload would indeed devalue the platform for those people.

At the risk of sounding harsh, such people who can barely choose what to buy aren't even going to be aware if it is even possible to load apps through alternate means, not are they going to be brave enough even try to understand instructions to try it on their own.

 

[szr]

Copying a copyrighted game to a new medium (except for backup purposes) are likely a copyright violation, thus piracy, in the US.

Copying (and by extension, downloading, which itself is just a form of copying over a network), for private use, is not, and never has been, a violation, despite mis(or often, dis)information to the contrary. It is distribution of a work that one requires permission for from the rights holder. Those making it available are the ones who are in true violation of copyright law. Those who make copies and starting giving it away, or much worse, selling or otherwise monetizing copies (as they return no royalties to the holder of the work), are in violation.

 

[szr]

If one guy really wanted to jailbreak there would be jail breaking. People develop the exploits for the technical challenge and community cred, not because they have customers.

That's not fully accurate. For community cred is likely part of it, but many people over the years have been doing it to help support all the users who have been making use of jail-breaking so that they can continue to do so with newer hardware. There is still a lot that can utilized there that isn't available in stock iOS. There are also many devs who have paid apps there. There is much more of a community around jail-breaking than you seem to realize.

 

[I7guy]

To be honest, I cannot recall ever seeing in any advertisement, whether on television, the web, youtube, billboards when driving, or in any of the information near devices in an Apple Store, or even on their website last I remember, stating how the device is restricted. I would therefore conclude that they, in fact, do not make this readily clear, certainly not upfront, to any prospective buyers.

Can you point to any consumer electronic device where the social media aspect and advertising lists the restrictions and not features? However, it took me about a minute to find this:

Legal - Apple Media Services - Apple

Terms

www.apple.com

 

[I7guy]

"user choice" is not high on the list of priorities for Apple customers.

It seems Apples' philosophy is less is more.

Just look at many who suffer "paralysis by analysis" in trying to pick an iPad model, or storage capacity within a model.

It's my feeling the same people can't buy TVs or cars.

 

[szr]

Can you point to any consumer electronic device where the social media aspect and advertising lists the restrictions and not features? However, it took me about a minute to find this:

Legal - Apple Media Services - Apple

Terms

www.apple.com

The person I replied to (via the quote of me that you used) had said, "However, Apple were clear before you purchased the device what restrictions they applied.", and I was pointing out that this is not the case. And the link you gave is hardly what I'd call upfront, but rather buried in terms that one has to first know about in the first place. Most people checking the main information are not going to find anything about how restrictive that platform really is.

 

[I7guy]

The person I replied to (via the quote of me that you used) had said, "However, Apple were clear before you purchased the device what restrictions they applied.", and I was pointing out that this is not the case. And the link you gave is hardly what I'd call upfront, but rather buried in terms that one has to first know about in the first place. Most people checking the main information are not going to find anything about how restrictive that platform really is.

By Apple being clear means the information is available . Not that there is a sticker on the box that lists every restriction as opposed to every feature…

It’s a different world than it was years ago. Information is available online to find out additional information not listed in tiny stickers. To blame apple for not listing thousands of features and restrictions on a one by one piece of paper is ridiculous.

 

[szr]

By Apple being clear means the information is available . Not that there is a sticker on the box that lists every restriction as opposed to every feature…

It’s a different world than it was years ago. Information is available online to find out additional information not listed in tiny stickers. To blame apple for not listing thousands of features and restrictions on a one by one piece of paper is ridiculous.

The point is that Apple is not being clear to new buyers about those restrictions. There is no need to list a thousand or so things in the packaging, but they could be more upfront about the actual environment, how closed and controlled it is rather than it being something only fully realized post-purchase.

 

[I7guy]

The point is that Apple is not being clear to new buyers about those restrictions. There is no need to list a thousand or so things in the packaging, but they could be more upfront about the actual environment, how closed and controlled it is rather than it being something only fully realized post-purchase.

In your opinion apple is not being being clear to new buyers about those restrictions. In my opinion, the information is out there and apple is not hiding this information. It’s up to the consumers to do their due diligence…combined with the 14 day return policy, a customer has all of the knowledge necessary.

 

[szr]

In your opinion apple is not being being clear to new buyers about those restrictions. In my opinion, the information is out there and apple is not hiding this information. It’s up to the consumers to do their due diligence…combined with the 14 day return policy, a customer has all of the knowledge necessary.

I wasn't going by opinion, but objective study. Apple simply isn't up front about how restrictive their ecosystem is. This is factual evidence, and having something related to that buried in a legal document that, lets face it, many people will never bother to read, is not a substitute for having that information front and center.

 

[I7guy]

I wasn't going by opinion, but objective study. Apple simply isn't up front about how restrictive their ecosystem is. This is factual evidence, and having something related to that buried in a legal document that, lets face it, many people will never bother to read, is not a substitute for having that information front and center.

Objective and factual? What objective study? The fact is every apple related Eula is on apples’ website. The notion of companies providing information in advance by using some communication of what a product can’t do, is pretty “interesting “ except for some health or safety related items. The old expression applies, you can lead a horse to water…,

 

[szr]

Objective and factual? What objective study? The fact is every apple related Eula is on apples’ website. The notion of companies providing information in advance by using some communication of what a product can’t do, is pretty “interesting “ except for some health or safety related items. The old expression applies, you can lead a horse to water…,

You're still missing the point. Apple is not being up front about it. They are burying it that EULA. I really don't know I can be more clear about it. Apple does not make the fact that their system is so closed and heavily regulated a part of their core advertising and information, what prospective customers see when browsing for something they may potentially want to buy. This is an important aspect that a lot of first time purchasers are unaware of.

And while I would never say that one should not read and try to understand terms, I am interested to know how many EULAs in general that you have taken the time to read, in full, and understand, in it's entirety? And you would agree that a lot of people simply do not take that time to do all that?

 

[I7guy]

You're still missing the point. Apple is not being up front about it. They are burying it that EULA. I really don't know I can be more clear about it. Apple does not make the fact that their system is so closed and heavily regulated a part of their core advertising and information, what prospective customers see when browsing for something they may potentially want to buy. This is an important aspect that a lot of first time purchasers are unaware of.

And while I would never say that one should not read and try to understand terms, I am interested to know how many EULAs in general that you have taken the time to read, in full, and understand, in it's entirety? And you would agree that a lot of people simply do not take that time to do all that?

There is no point to miss….. is what I’m saying. Companies (except perhaps for health and safety concerns) don’t have to advertise product restrictions. If a consumer want to find out about product capabilities in 2021 there are ways to do that.

The Eula I quoted above, I read…wasn’t very hard. Enough to know that when I download an app the agreement is between the customer and developer.