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True. But Apple used to support me. And I used to have conversations with Steve Jobs himself via email while I was using a Mac Pro for school that I actually could afford while going through through the tech field. He personally saw fit that I received a copy of iLife shortly after I bought a Mac Pro that was a few months before it was included free of charge.

Opening up that package that he made sure I got was absolutely unbelievable.

Steve wanted the Mac Pro to be an expensive computer, but he didn’t price out the college undergrad or grad that could afford one with minimal options with a summer job in order to graduate and/or make sense of one as production work on the side.

The Mac Pro as Steve envisioned is dead. And long dead.

This is not only a rip off. This is a slit through the neck. This, for many, is the final straw and is the middle finger.

Apple left me.
So, that Mac Pro you used in school? I am sure the iMac Pro or high end iMac or higher end mini would probably be sufficient for what you were doing back then.

People don't realize if you're truly interested in performance and not just in having the latest bauble, there are other less costly machines that are "pro" enough.

Those options didn't exist when Steve was alive. They do now.
 
My issue with the Mac Pro is that for my field (3d animation & rendering), it's just not that great, and certainly very poor value.

What matters most to us are beefy GPUs, many CPU cores and lots of storage, and currently CUDA is essential in most rendering apps.

The issue with the Mac Pro, is that not only is the base price extremely high, but what you get is very little:

- a terrible, old GPU
- 256 gb storage
- 8 cores

On the other hand you get things that you aren't likely to benefit from, such as loads of TB ports or ECC memory.

Of course you can spec it up, but when the base price is $6,000, I can imagine it will actually end up being $10-12,000 before it's actually useful in practice. Even after you were do add dual VEGA IIs, to make the price go stratospheric, the machine *still* won't have CUDA.

And when you compare that to what performance you can get out of a 32 core Threadripper + dual 2080 TIs in a build for around $3-4,000, it's just not compelling for 3d artists, unfortunately.
 
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This is absolutely on point. From comments here and on other forums it's pretty clear that the "prosumer" crowd that is so upset about the cost of this, is also the crowd that, despite insisting they need a Mac with no built in display, largely expects to buy the Apple display that is "paired" to go with the Mac Pro at the time of release (in this case the Pro Display).

To me this just highlights the "I want to have one but I have no actual use for one that an iMac or Mac mini wouldn't be sufficient" aspect of it.

In a 2019 world I believe maybe 10% of Mac Pro customers will also buy the Apple Pro Display. If the market for the Mac Pro is "niche" (which it is, but I don't think it's as niche as people make out out to be) the market for the Pro Display is a tiny sliver of that niche.

Software engineers do not need the Pro Display. Audio engineers do not need the Pro display. Heck a lot of graphic artists likely don't need the Pro Display.

If a flying spaghetti monster gave me $5K (or, $6K with the stand?) to spend on a display and that's all I can spend it on, the Pro Display wouldn't even enter my mind. Give me multiple, high PPI 4k displays over one giant one any day.
This comment is so on point. Most of the folks complaining about the price are just mad they cannot afford these high end baubles. That's all. It's not that they NEED the machines. The people who truly NEED these devices are few; it's that they WANT them with burning Apple lust and just can't afford them.
 
So? It's also increased it's capabilities way above inflation. That's the whole ****ing point. It's not just a slightly better Mac in a tower case.
Yes and there are LOWER COST Macs that are "pro" enough these days. Apple has already addressed the "prosumer" markets with high end iMacs, modern Mac minis and iMac Pros. This machine is truly only for pro users.
 
And when you compare that to what performance you can get our of a 32 core Threadripper + dual 2080 TIs in a build for around $3-4,000, it's just not compelling for 3d artists, unfortunately.
I think you’re absolutely right about your larger point though at a glance the 32 core Threadripper and dual 2080 TIs are over $4000 all by themselves.
 
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Serious question - what professional audio/video work are you doing on a Linux machine? What applications?

I didn't know it was in use in the industry at all.

If you're not, why are you interested in macs?
Davinci Resolve / Fusion Studio / Houdini (plus many more) all work in Linux.
Forgot about Clarrise.... :)
 
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I am sure there are people on this forum that would legitimately benefit and utilize a machine this powerful and a display this good (with a stand this expensive). Their jobs might require it. So, the $12,000 investment is worth it.

It is also true that, for $900 on sale, I can get everything I need done on my 2019 MBA, such as creating/editing documents, spreadsheets and the like.

So, I now realize why there are such divergent opinions on this forum about technology. There is a huge difference in needs and requirements. Just as I have a difficult time imagining how I could possibly use a $12,000 rig, there are folks that can't imagine being productive with an entry level MacBook or iPad Pro. I guess this explains a lot of the rancor on this and other tech sites.
 
Apple left me.

and the beauty of it all...the dune pro case arrives...and AMD is scorching hot...and Windows 10 ain’t bad.

Apple is a business like any other and the Mac Pro is just a tool.

If Apple supplies the computer you need, then consider buying it.

Otherwise, buy from someone else.
 
“It's not for you” people say. Yeah, I know. The moment the starting price was announced I was kind of aware of that, accompanied by a sinking feeling in my wallet, er, I mean stomach.

So that’s a shame.

The thing is, it is the closest thing to the mac I really want, in terms of form factor, ability to upgrade, hold internal local storage, not have a built-in display and be designed to actually use its performance without thermal issues being a lower order of priority than looks, weight and thinness. So... which mac is for me?

Right now it’s still my 5,1 Mac Pro. Hey look, it even has the same name! Maybe the name is not for me any more either. We need a desktop, headless mac that is for me...

I guess I need to get over the Mac Pro and imagine a ‘Mac Porco’. :p Well, I can dream anyway. It's only a ‘co’ away from a jumbled-up version of the name at least.

Anyway, I hope everyone buying one (or more) of these enjoys them, they look great. I’ll keep hoping for a ‘Mac Porco’ until I figure out whether I have to go Mini, iMac or something else. Oh well.
I’m in the exact same boat. While I figure out if the mini or the imac is the way to go, sign me up for the mac porco, should it ever be released. :)
 
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Apple plans to release the new Mac Pro and the Pro Display XDR on Tuesday, December 10, according to "Save the Date" emails that Apple began sending out to some customers this afternoon.

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Apple in November confirmed that the Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR would come in December, but until now, the company had not provided a specific date. Apple's emails say orders will begin on December 10, so presumably shipments will begin soon after orders open up.

The new modular Mac Pro was first introduced in June at the WorldWide developers Conference, with the machine aimed at Apple's pro user base.

The Mac Pro was designed with a heavy focus on upgradeability and expansion, and it features a traditional PC shape with an Apple-esque stainless steel frame with a lattice pattern that maximizes airflow.

Internal specs include workstation-class Xeon processors with up to 28 cores, up to 1.5TB of high-performance memory, up to two Radeon Pro II Duo GPUs, and eight PCIe expansion slots, along with an Apple Afterburner accelerator card.

Pricing on the Mac Pro will start at $6,000, and will go up based on configuration. The base Mac Pro features an 8-core Xeon W chip.

Apple plans to sell the Mac Pro alongside the Pro Display XDR, a 6K display with a resolution of 6016 x 3384 and more than 20 million pixels. Pricing on the Pro Display XDR starts at $5,000, with an add-on stand priced at $999.

(Thanks, Ryan!)

Article Link: Apple to Release Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on December 10
I can’t wait to put together many fake shopping carts then deleting them with nervous relief.
 
the main issue for me is that the $6000 is too weak. The cheaper iMac Pro is better in almost all ways AND you get a nice display for ‘free’.

the actual price once you spec it up will be more like $12,000
 
“It's not for you” people say. Yeah, I know. The moment the starting price was announced I was kind of aware of that, accompanied by a sinking feeling in my wallet, er, I mean stomach.

So that’s a shame.

The thing is, it is the closest thing to the mac I really want, in terms of form factor, ability to upgrade, hold internal local storage, not have a built-in display and be designed to actually use its performance without thermal issues being a lower order of priority than looks, weight and thinness. So... which mac is for me?

Right now it’s still my 5,1 Mac Pro. Hey look, it even has the same name! Maybe the name is not for me any more either. We need a desktop, headless mac that is for me...

I guess I need to get over the Mac Pro and imagine a ‘Mac Porco’. :p Well, I can dream anyway. It's only a ‘co’ away from a jumbled-up version of the name at least.

Anyway, I hope everyone buying one (or more) of these enjoys them, they look great. I’ll keep hoping for a ‘Mac Porco’ until I figure out whether I have to go Mini, iMac or something else. Oh well.

Don't cry Argentina..
 
Finally! It’s seriously the device that hundreds of thousands (dare I say millions?) of Pro filmmakers across the world have been asking for non-stop for the last 6 years. Can’t wait!
But how many have moved on, because Apple has given them the cold shoulder to these Pros and drug out this needed release, for 6 years?
 
Given Apple's latest reductions in upgrade pricing, it'll be really interesting to see how all these "$12K once you spec it out" claims turn out.

Yes of course it'll be possible to configure one that costs $12K - but I'm curious what options all these people think will be "absolutely necessary for everybody", that doubles the price right off the bat.
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But how many have moved on, because Apple has given them the cold shoulder or drug out this needed release, for 6 years?
Who knows. How many of them will move back? How many are ginger? How many like blue cheese?
 
Yes, my thoughts as well. People have to think if Apple actually created a system at this price segment (disregard the base model), there has to be a market for it. Apple is driven by numbers and therefore their marketing team has the data to prove that there is a market for this and most who will buy are probably not on this forum (they are too busy with work to read these blogs). :). Yes, it will probably not sell in millions, but there is a "need" for this and gives options for those who do not want to piece together Windows boxes for this kind of power.

Personally, I am very happy that Apple decided to create a system that caters to higher end professionals that need power systems for productivity (work related) instead of looking for mass distribution or high sales. This will not be impressive for the annual report or the stockholder's meeting, but a good "thumbs" up to the higher end professionals.

I do video and audio work for my employment, but do not need this kind of power to do my work..but KNOW THAT THERE IS A DEMAND, especially with the newer technologies that are up-coming (3D, 6-8K+, virtual reality etc. etc.).

Believe it or not, Apple "may" sell more systems then most people on this forum would think and maybe more than the Mac Pro 2013 (even at the higher price). The price points for "both" the monitor and the system are NOT "that" unreachable or unreasonable for professionals needing this and who make the money to buy or can strategically show in their budget that it will pay for itself after a few jobs (if not on the first job). So...Why should Apple always have to cater to college iPhone students?

To see that Apple is providing tools for the "1%" shows something I thought was lost with Apple and therefore will have to reconsider the "Apple don't care about pros anymore" mentality and say, "Now" they do...again...

I do not fall in that 1%, but...I can appreciate the beauty and power of Apple's "Most Powerful" ever Computer...this is a true Mac Pro as it is suppose to be...!

It's funny, because I consider myself a fairly frugal guy when it comes to most things. But when it comes to purchases that are investments for my work, I'm on the opposite side of that.

I would never consider this Mac Pro if I didn't make money off of it. But I will. Because it fits my business needs and it allows me to stay officially within MacOs, which is important to me since I enjoy the experience. So the idea of spending the money on it doesn't bother me at all.

I understand the complaints about this costing more than it should. But honestly, for any working professional who will truly make the cost of this machine many times over during its lifecycle, it's not much of a thought. I have a project next year that will already more than pay off this machine so I plan to buy one this coming week.
 
Threadripper doesn't support RDIMM, so technically it only supports up to 256GB. Making it not ideal for highest end configuration.
Yes but if all you need is 32 or 64 gigs, the ability to used terabytes of memory is wasted on you, and the Threadripper is better value with higher performance.
 
Heh, Since 2013 those film makers have been using PC's, since the trashcan Mac Pro was so... Trash.

Speaking of Trash...great team logo there bud :p
LOL!
Oh the folks with no experience please, just get a clue and see how things really work in the film industry.
If your counting beans in L.A. then maybe yea you will see a ton of PCs in the grunt department.
But if your working with specialty folks, it's def a 4 to 1 using Macs.
Now up here in Canada, I can count on one hand who uses PCs for professional film work compared to 10 hands using Macs.
 
Given Apple's latest reductions in upgrade pricing, it'll be really interesting to see how all these "$12K once you spec it out" claims turn out.

Yes of course it'll be possible to configure one that costs $12K - but I'm curious what options all these people think will be "absolutely necessary for everybody", that doubles the price right off the bat.

Storage, GPU and CPU cores are all woefully inadequate in the $6,000 model.
 
This sadly marks the day of the death of the Mac Pro that most of us used to be able to afford. For most of us, the Mac Pro is history due to the price of this new thing.
And nothing will ever get me to use an iMac just on principle....and Mac mini is a runt.
Sigh
 
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people are complaining about people complaining.. but I get it. I love the Mac Pro idea, but unless you want a display attached to your computer you really are lacking options.. you have the Mac mini and the Mac Pro. The MBPs are nice, but never handle hard proccessing well. I have a top of the line 2019 15" and running VMs with Xcode while running multi-simulators and a few other apps is SLOW.. Mac mini would be no better... but I do NOT want iMac or iMac Pro because I have my own very nice monitors. So my option is Mac mini.. or Mac Pro. Where is the middle ground without attached display? An iMac Pro without display.. Mac mini Pro? hate the name, makes the most sense.
Users on this forum have been asking for the mythical headless mid-range mac since I’ve been here (2003). It’s not gonna happen. The situation where it makes sense - Your situation, meaning moderate-to-high power needs but don’t want a new monitor - is just pretty rare.
 
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