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I would imagine this one will be even greater in that regard. Your 5,1 has a 8GB-48GB range, so after market max is 6x the original "base" memory.

The 2019 range even with the base CPU has a 32GB to 768GB range according to Apple, according to Intel it's up to 1TB for the W3223. Even if no third parties ever offer DIMMs that will allow the full 1TB capacity, Apple's stated maximum is 256x the base memory. That is a ridiculous increase in capacity.

The sheer number of slots (both PCI and memory) also means upgrading over time is a much easier process (i.e. adding more memory or PCI cards won't automatically mean needing to take out some of the existing ones).
Believe me. Ten years ago the Mac Pro 5.1 was that top especs. And, again, most people said it was "ridiculous expensive".
 
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OpenGL is plenty quick on Windows, not that it's needed, as Windows has Vulkan and DX.

I wasn't aware Autodesk had added Metal support. This is in Maya?

What about Allegorithmic? Capture Reality? Agisoft? Epic? Unity? Marmoset?

Maya is Metal ready.

Unity has Metal across Apple's entire iOS/TvOS/macOS ecosystem.

Epic: https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Metal_Rendering_API // Since 2014.

Allegorithmic: Since Adobe bought them you can bet they'll be Metal supported shortly.

Agisoft Release Notes Upcoming: first instance of AMD GPGPUs referenced.

https://www.agisoft.com/pdf/metashape_changelog.pdf

Version 1.6.0 build 9487 (3 November 2019, previewrelease)Standard and Professional editions• Added Calculate point confidence option to Build Dense Cloud dialog.• Added Confidence view mode and Filter by Confidence command for dense point cloud.• Added GPU-based texture generation support for AMD GPUs.• Updated Optimize cameras command to reset values of unchecked parameters.• Bug fixes.

No Reference to Metal so far.
 
My first Mac was a 1991 IISI. Inflation adjusted, it actually cost about the same as the new Mac Pro today.

Yeah, good point.

My first Mac was the 128k Mac in 1984 (replacing the Apple ][+) and it was about $2500 then or a bit over 6000 today. It is sitting in the closet (with a fat Mac upgrade inside). Turns in, but the display flickers.
 
The base model uses 2666MHz memory (the others use 2993MHz) so it’ll be more available I think. Crucial.com (Micron) and macsales.com would be the usual suspects, I’d call them on Monday and see what will be available.

But it looks like crucial has 16GB for $90 and 32GB for $180. 64GB for about 360. Take out the 4x8GB from the base and install 6 of something.
I've read speculation that the base model will come with 2993 MHz memory too, but that the base CPU can only access it at 2666 MHz.
 
Does that cost include the stands?

No, I would opt for the VESA mounts and separate articulating arms, if I was buying it, so I left them off. I would likely opt for the nanotexture version myself, unless the reviews are negative with regard to overall sharpness and clarity. It’s all hypothetical for me anyways as I don’t need that sort of horsepower.
 
The concern here is if you don't want an integrated display, your only other option is a Mac mini, which is a sealed box (apart from the ram). It feels like there should be something between the $800 mini and the $6000 Pro.
If Apple would offer e.g. an RX 5700 inside the Mac mini and would update the Mac mini CPU every year or two, I would probably just buy the Mac mini every year or two instead of buying the Mac pro. The problem buying the Mac pro, which I will be doing on Tuesday, is unless the updates are more frequent than the trash can was, a simple consumer CPU will eventually outperform the 16 core Mac pro CPU I'll be buying.
 
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my "mac Pro" hackintosh has been flawless for the past year, save for the google chrome screw up.
$2300. having to spend 10K on a Mac Pro to get the same level of performance, no thanks Crapple.
 
I've read speculation that the base model will come with 2993 MHz memory too, but that the base CPU can only access it at 2666 MHz.

The published tech specs give credence to that - they don't reference the speed of the memory, but the speed at which the processor operates. Also the accessories/kits list a solitary 8GB memory kit rather than one at each speed.
 
It will be actually fun to image people trying to decide on specs/cost on a hurry just to get the first orders. You got 30 mins to decide if you want to waste 2-3k more on a spec they don’t fully understand the benefits.
 
I wonder how many pros are left on Mac OS. Surely pretty much all of them will have moved to Windows years ago?

Not many to be honest. At least, on the video editing side of things. Last week I was listening to the editor that won the Cannes Palm d’or, a Korean, and he was still using FCP7. I have my 5.1 and it still kicking, got an award at Cannes and all with it. I really want to upgrade, need to, but most of the features are still being finished in 2k.
 
Sometime there's a complex pile of reasons for the decision to purchase. I my case I'd like to run Lumion (PC only) I need something faster than the trashcan for Archicad. And apple have just screwed me on my year old iphone ( you have no idea just how much that has disillusioned me). Add Threadripper and then Apples price here in NZ and it's starting to become very hard to justify - especially at $50/week, every week, for the next 6 years.
Just give me a halfway point bteween the Mini & the Pro & I'd be happy. Not an imac as I need multiple 40" 4k screens for CAD.
I've had Apple since the IIe days & I'll be sad to say goodbye. But the times they are a changing.
 
So much hate from people who presumably can't afford this new machine. I don't understand the human species' need to endlessly rag on other people and what they want in life. I've never once been to a PC site too slag off Windows machines, despite the terrible industrial design, malware and crappy OS. If only people spent more time creating instead of pointing fingers and criticising. Roll on Tuesday.
 
“It's not for you” people say. Yeah, I know. The moment the starting price was announced I was kind of aware of that, accompanied by a sinking feeling in my wallet, er, I mean stomach.

So that’s a shame.

The thing is, it is the closest thing to the mac I really want, in terms of form factor, ability to upgrade, hold internal local storage, not have a built-in display and be designed to actually use its performance without thermal issues being a lower order of priority than looks, weight and thinness. So... which mac is for me?

Right now it’s still my 5,1 Mac Pro. Hey look, it even has the same name! Maybe the name is not for me any more either. We need a desktop, headless mac that is for me...

I guess I need to get over the Mac Pro and imagine a ‘Mac Porco’. :p Well, I can dream anyway. It's only a ‘co’ away from a jumbled-up version of the name at least.

Anyway, I hope everyone buying one (or more) of these enjoys them, they look great. I’ll keep hoping for a ‘Mac Porco’ until I figure out whether I have to go Mini, iMac or something else. Oh well.
 
It's like saying you want to buy a F-150 for $35k but Ford says they only sell F-450 for $60k. "Sorry bro this Truck wasn't meant for YOU" and tell you to use a giant SUV instead.

Ford will be happy to sell you a F-150 for $60k too 🤣
 
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Apple wants to retain the 1% who creates content for the other 99% in the Apple ecosystem. This Mac Pro and the recently-released 16” MBP is likely an olive branch to stop them from defecting.

Otherwise, it bears reminding that there remains a difference between true professional users who do need the sheer power that a Mac Pro offers (and who appreciates the $6000 XDR display for the value it brings, rather than crack endless jokes about the $1k stand), and a Mac enthusiast who just wants a modular Mac to play around with because they simply don’t want to pay the Apple premium for spec upgrades.

The later is not the target market for this Mac Pro (even though they are the ones making the most noise here), because capability wise, their needs are likely already met by existing Macs; they just don’t want to pay the current asking prices for them.

The new Mac Pro and its display have an audience. It’s just that most of them (or maybe even none of them) frequent Macrumours.

Yes, my thoughts as well. People have to think if Apple actually created a system at this price segment (disregard the base model), there has to be a market for it. Apple is driven by numbers and therefore their marketing team has the data to prove that there is a market for this and most who will buy are probably not on this forum (they are too busy with work to read these blogs). :). Yes, it will probably not sell in millions, but there is a "need" for this and gives options for those who do not want to piece together Windows boxes for this kind of power.

Personally, I am very happy that Apple decided to create a system that caters to higher end professionals that need power systems for productivity (work related) instead of looking for mass distribution or high sales. This will not be impressive for the annual report or the stockholder's meeting, but a good "thumbs" up to the higher end professionals.

I do video and audio work for my employment, but do not need this kind of power to do my work..but KNOW THAT THERE IS A DEMAND, especially with the newer technologies that are up-coming (3D, 6-8K+, virtual reality etc. etc.).

Believe it or not, Apple "may" sell more systems then most people on this forum would think and maybe more than the Mac Pro 2013 (even at the higher price). The price points for "both" the monitor and the system are NOT "that" unreachable or unreasonable for professionals needing this and who make the money to buy or can strategically show in their budget that it will pay for itself after a few jobs (if not on the first job). So...Why should Apple always have to cater to college iPhone students?

To see that Apple is providing tools for the "1%" shows something I thought was lost with Apple and therefore will have to reconsider the "Apple don't care about pros anymore" mentality and say, "Now" they do...again...

I do not fall in that 1%, but...I can appreciate the beauty and power of Apple's "Most Powerful" ever Computer...this is a true Mac Pro as it is suppose to be...!
 
I do not fall in that 1%, but...I can appreciate the beauty and power of Apple's "Most Powerful" ever Computer...this is a true Mac Pro as it is suppose to be...!
Yeah. Its just kinda unfortunate that this occurs just as AMD Ryzen becomes dominant. There are some hella powerful AMD Hackintoshes about.
 
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