Apple to Release Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on December 10

[chucker23n1]

If you believe that, you're deluded.

"/s" means sarcasm.

 

[hrpuffnstuff]

For businesses who want to buy this Section 179 of the IRS tax code is your friend (and for buying a big vehicle). They can convert 30 grand in taxes into a computer instead, if allowed. I would say hellll yeaaa send it to me now lol

https://www.section179.org/section_179_vehicle_deductions/
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I feel your pain as I'm going to work for myself in the new year and I really want that monitor stand so I can deduct it lol

 

[alexandr]

Perhaps you overvalue the Apple logo. There are many fine displays available in all price ranges from other manufacturers. Apple no longer focuses on the display market, and offers only the occasional high end model when it sees a hole in the market.

it's not just about the logo) it's more about the design. do you have any suggestions on a decent display that resembles apple's design?

 

[Apples Apples Everywhere]

That's interesting (I hadn't seen the slide of the rack mount version from the original announcement). I wonder how much it changes the layout of things. Clearly no top TB3 ports, and doesn't look like they're on the front either.

I wonder if the motherboard is still two-sided in the rack mount config. I’ve never worked on a server that opens from the bottom.

 

[alexandr]

I see your point, but PC sales are on the decline and even more the tower models. If the MPro does not pick up, Tim will translate this as "No one wants a Mac Pro machine, lets stick to iOS" it will not translate as "We priced it too high, lets try again".

They go where the money goes, and the sad part is that the macOS will get neglected

sadly, you're probably right...

 

[Reed Black12]

So you can't provide any evidence that Macs last at least three time longer than PC's. Glad we got that sorted out.

This is easy. Just check ebay, offer up or craigslist to see how many PC's from 2009 are still being sold vs 2009 macs are still being sold.

 

[realtuner]

For all the Threadripper fans I have a question.

The top 3 vendors for workstations are HP, Dell and Lenovo. All three of these companies sell a wide variety of computers using both Intel and AMD processors.

Yet for their high-end workstations they all use Xeon. Not Threadripper, but Xeon. Anyone care to explain why this is?

 

[ct2k7]

Yes and there are LOWER COST Macs that are "pro" enough these days. Apple has already addressed the "prosumer" markets with high end iMacs, modern Mac minis and iMac Pros. This machine is truly only for pro users.

How the heck is a Mac mini a prosumer device? It has a mobile CPU with thermal issues.

 

[fathergll]

This table makes no sense at all.
Did you calculate the components costs of those models ? If this uses much expensive components, the price is explained.
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Obviously it uses more expensive components. No one is debating that. The issue is if you want to use MacOS and want that in a standalone config without thermal issues..etc you need to spend $6000 whereas this used to be half the price.

 

[Stephen.R]

Assuming Apple is deciding to make the switch to AMD

What, as well as switching to Arm, and switching to CPUs made out of pickled onions, all concurrently?

 

[fathergll]

Sorry, but the Mac Pro you love, topped out at a level way below this one. This machine has so much more headroom that they are not even comparable. Again, as I pointed out before, the 2018 Mac Mini is way closer in relative specs to the 2012 Mac Pro than the 2012 Mac Pro top configuration is to the 2019 Mac Pro.

How is the older Mac Pro closer to the current Mac Mini?

 

[mannyvel]

For businesses who want to buy this Section 179 of the IRS tax code is your friend (and for buying a big vehicle). They can convert 30 grand in taxes into a computer instead, if allowed. I would say hellll yeaaa send it to me now lol

https://www.section179.org/section_179_vehicle_deductions/
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I feel your pain as I'm going to work for myself in the new year and I really want that monitor stand so I can deduct it lol

well technically it's not 30k in tax savings, it takes 30k out of your income, which means you have less taxable income. Advisors generally suggest sticking that money into a 401k or some other retirement account, but if you're already maxed out on those then the 179 is great.

 

[R3k]

Typically what is the life cycle of a Mac Pro? Will it be cycled every year or every 3 years? I remember the last update was 6 years ago.

Regarding the PCI-E Gen x3 on the new Mac Pro, should I be worry about it since the latest technology is Gen x4.

I can’t wait to buy the Mac Pro, but the Gen x3 is something that bother me. I just want to buy a Mac Pro that kind of future proof and will last me more than 5 years due to the high price tag

Our 10 year old models are just starting to be a burden with audio production. We are still buying 6 year old trashcan Mac’s used to replace them. So they have a pretty good life span historically.

 

[FlyingDutch]

No, No. RIGHT NOW, BEFORE RELEASE, the cMP sucks compared to what a Threadripper can do....for 50% less.

Except no one use AMD for serious working...
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True. But Apple used to support me. And I used to have conversations with Steve Jobs himself via email while I was using a Mac Pro for school that I actually could afford while going through through the tech field. He personally saw fit that I received a copy of iLife shortly after I bought a Mac Pro that was a few months before it was included free of charge.

Opening up that package that he made sure I got was absolutely unbelievable.

Steve wanted the Mac Pro to be an expensive computer, but he didn’t price out the college undergrad or grad that could afford one with minimal options with a summer job in order to graduate and/or make sense of one as production work on the side.

The Mac Pro as Steve envisioned is dead. And long dead.

This is not only a rip off. This is a slit through the neck. This, for many, is the final straw and is the middle finger.

Apple left me.

So after all I can see just a point: price, price, price, price...
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Mythical displayless xMac that Apple is no longer interested in making.

xMac that existed only on forums like this. Apple never considered to make one. Apple computer for everyone has a name: iMac.

 

[lilrush]

Its worth pointing out, 999$ isn’t crazy for what it is. It’s just ... maybe not marketing’s finest hour over there

Its a metal stick

 

[FlyingDutch]

I'm not expecting to change your mind in my writing this, but hear me out. The towers offer something the laptops and iMacs don't do as gracefully: stay cool and quiet. Even a day of casual web browsing is enough to make an iMac uncomfortably hot to the touch, and that leads to stuff like the GPU failing after just 3-4 years.

Millions of 6/7/8+ still working iMac proved you wrong.

 

[astrorider]

How the heck is a Mac mini a prosumer device? It has a mobile CPU with thermal issues.

They used to be mobile CPUs but in the 2018 they switched to using desktop CPUs. With expansion via Thunderbolt 3 and eGPUs, the Mini can cover many prosumer uses.

 

[smulji]

What, as well as switching to Arm, and switching to CPUs made out of pickled onions, all concurrently?

I'm not convinced that Macs are switching to ARM processors.

 

[MGrayson3]

Its a metal stick

You genius! You figured it out. Now you can make a slightly better metal stick for $20 in parts and labor, sell it for $500, and become rich. Wish I'd thought of that!

 

[FlyingDutch]

my "mac Pro" hackintosh has been flawless for the past year, save for the google chrome screw up.
$2300. having to spend 10K on a Mac Pro to get the same level of performance, no thanks Crapple.

Not even close to that level.
Not to speak about non existent support and reliability.

 

[ct2k7]

They used to be mobile CPUs but in the 2018 they switched to using desktop CPUs. With expansion via Thunderbolt 3 and eGPUs, the Mini can cover many prosumer uses.

The I7-8700B is still a mobile CPU.
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We already know it won‘t be soldered.
It is literally in their website.

I don’t know about proprietary connector.

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that's not a standard connector.

 

[smulji]

The I7-8700B is still a mobile CPU.

Look at the TDP on that processor. It's a low power 65W desktop processor, not a mobile CPU. Intel's mobile CPU's range from the 7W Y-series processors up to the 45W H-series processors.

 

[Stephen.R]

do you have any suggestions on a decent display that resembles apple's design?

I am generally quite happy with my Dell displays but I wouldn't say they resemble "Apple design" (apart from black bezel + silver stand, I guess?). But, I also tend to spend my time looking at the stuff on the screen itself, rather than the bezel and the stand. They don't really ever change so they're kinda just like the desk - something that holds the thing I'm interested in up off the floor.
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How the heck is a Mac mini a prosumer device? It has a mobile CPU with thermal issues.

... the 2018 model uses desktop processors, and I haven't had thermal issues. It gets warm sometimes but it hasn't ever down clocked below base frequency to avoid overheating.

And as for whether it's "prosumer": it will entirely depend on your task. For CPU/memory/disk intensive tasks, it's a pretty decent little machine. I somewhat regularly build VM images from scratch (automated, using packer) and it will handily build several at a time (i.e. intensive activity installing an OS multiple times concurrently in VMs) without issue.

 

[ct2k7]

Look at the TDP on that processor. It's a low power 65W desktop processor, not a mobile CPU. Intel's mobile CPU's range from the 7W Y-series processors up to the 45W H-series processors.

So if ARK is wrong, we have no idea whether either information is correct. They didn't say that it wasn't built out of laptop grade components.

That said, having waiting a whole for stuff to compile on it... I wouldn't want it in my professional workflow

 

[Timothy Leo Crowley]

"I'll take monitor stands that cost $1,000, Alex."

it's so funny to watch people complain about the price of something that they are not in the market for.