Apple to Release Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on December 10

the Mini can cover many prosumer uses
heck it covers many "pro" uses when configured well.
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I'm not convinced that Macs are switching to ARM processors.
But you're convinced they're switching to AMD processors?
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They didn't say that it wasn't built out of laptop grade components.
Actually they did.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/10/new-mac-mini-packs-huge-punch/

It has more than five times the performance, up to 6-core desktop-class processors
 
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The A9 is a desktop class processor according to Apple: I wouldn’t put stock in marketing speak.

I think it's a mobile desktop-class processor. IIRC, any CPU that is BGA is considered mobile, but in this case mobile is not notebook as no laptop other than a DTR would have a 65-watt CPU with no power saving features.

I guess the lines are blurred as Intel has socketed 35-watt desktop T CPUs that actually clock lower than 45-watt notebook H ones.
 
One consistent comment I see in this thread is that the new Mac Pro is for professional Hollywood filmmakers. Well, for colourists, compositing, audio for sure. However for picture editing, which is probably what most non-industry people think of, it really isn't the solution, at least for film and television editing. We actually work with proxy (low data rate, high compression) files when doing our offline edits. Given that the camera source media can be in the 10s if not 100s of TB of data and data rates starting at >400Mb/s it is easier to transcode everything to a smaller file for the edit and then conform to the camera source or other high quality format for finishing. A decade or more ago you still needed a pretty powerful machine to do this work but now, well, not so much. For offline editing (when all of the picture decisions are being made) an iMac with a second monitor and I/O device (if going to television) is often a better solution than the old (or new) tower. On the television series I worked on for 9 years we replaced the 2006-2009 Mac Pros with iMacs when it became time and the editors fought over who got to use the new iMacs because they were so much more capable (poor assistant editors got the trickle-down machines and in season 13 were still using the remaining 2009 MacPros). For what it's worth when the series first started shooting they shot super16 film, edited from DVCam SD 29.97 transfers and needed to run everything through Cinema Tools (originally cut in legacy FCP, still my favourite NLE overall). I do not miss those cadence tracking, pulldown days one bit.

Curiously, it is the corporate video makers who are often working in the latest formats with the camera source files who would actually benefit most from these machines as far as day-to-day editing goes. They often need the horsepower to push far greater files than anything I do in proxy. With ProRes RAW finally gaining some traction as a standard the Afterburner addition will probably prove very valuable to some users. However, I do not see ProRes RAW becoming a proxy standard in film or television any time soon, it is still too big for 100+ hours of footage.

The biggest hurdle to quick adoption of the new Mac Pros into the film industry at large is Catalina. It simply is not supported by AVID Media Composer or Pro Tools, the standards in North America still (for now, which I have been saying for 20 years). Past experience has shown we might still be 6 months away from Catalina support though, who knows, maybe AVID will surprise us and announce support tomorrow with the release of the Mac Pros. I wouldn't take a bet on it, though.

So, though I can imagine a great many use cases in the broader sense of filmmaking for these new Mac Pros which will allow some pretty amazing work to happen I know I won't be seeing one in an edit bay any time soon. Which is okay, the Mac tools currently available are more than sufficient for the work I do.

Oh, and one final comment on all the PC switching, DIY fans out there. In 20+ years I have been editing I have been asked to work on a PC once. It was a Franken-computer assembled by a gamer as having all of the bells-and-whistles necessary for editing 4K: 12-core Intel; 128GB RAM; 2x Nvidia 1080 Ti video cards; they dropped almost $12K Cdn on the build with monitors (2 years ago). Alas, there were driver issues, architecture issues, and my 2016 MBP was a faster option for editing 4K, even in Premiere Pro (only time in my career I have been asked to use PP as well). Curiously it was a Mac facility that was convinced they need to build the PC to work in 4K. Nobody wanted to use the machine, though, because of all of the problems, which is why I, as a contractor, got stuck with it. Now, your experience may vary but for all of those claiming that the Pros have abandoned the Mac that simply has not been my experience and for good reason.
 
It also has no microphone or speakers...at $6K a pop, it is a monitor with a singular purpose, which isn’t conference calls.

What, you can’t walk and chew gum? To make that call I’ll just use my other other computer.

Personally, for $6k it should excel in its graphics purpose, which it will, and do the small stuff.
 
What, you can’t walk and chew gum? To make that call I’ll just use my other other computer.

Personally, for $6k it should excel in its graphics purpose, which it will, and do the small stuff.

Then a Logitech 1080p webcam hooked up via one of the XDR’s USB2 ports should do the trick...or an iPad. I don’t video conference enough to make it worth the effort, but I am prepared with one perched atop my BenQ SW271.

I could care less though that it didn’t come with one. OsMV.
 
Well, the price is the reason why many people are not in a market for Mac Pro anymore.

Indeed.

This argument just keeps going in circles. "If you can't afford this computer, you aren't a professional." Give me a break. Were the people who used to buy $2,500 Mac Pros not professionals?

Some of us are professionals who can afford this computer, but still think it's a bad value for our use case.

It'd be one thing if Apple had never made a more affordable, modular Mac Pro. But they did, and we happily bought them.

On price alone, the Mac Pro 7,1 rules out a lot of professional users who used to buy Mac Pros. Even some of us who can afford it aren't enthusiastic.

Don't be surprised when a market that was once served by Apple now complains about being left in the dark. There are many reasons why a Mac Mini or iMac Pro might not work for them.
 
I am generally quite happy with my Dell displays but I wouldn't say they resemble "Apple design" (apart from black bezel + silver stand, I guess?). But, I also tend to spend my time looking at the stuff on the screen itself, rather than the bezel and the stand. They don't really ever change so they're kinda just like the desk - something that holds the thing I'm interested in up off the floor.
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... the 2018 model uses desktop processors, and I haven't had thermal issues. It gets warm sometimes but it hasn't ever down clocked below base frequency to avoid overheating.

And as for whether it's "prosumer": it will entirely depend on your task. For CPU/memory/disk intensive tasks, it's a pretty decent little machine. I somewhat regularly build VM images from scratch (automated, using packer) and it will handily build several at a time (i.e. intensive activity installing an OS multiple times concurrently in VMs) without issue.


2018 Mac Mini - thermal paste edition


 
I am only looking forward to the scores that will be shared on how fast it is compared to the rest of the mac products and PC... seems like normal folk like myself, hope that the tech in the new MAC PRO will filter down to the rest of the product line in 5 years or so and perhaps the prices will drop down for a black friday bargain!
 
For what it's worth when the series first started shooting they shot super16 film, edited from DVCam SD 29.97 transfers and needed to run everything through Cinema Tools (originally cut in legacy FCP, still my favourite NLE overall). I do not miss those cadence tracking, pulldown days one bit.

I forgot about the Cinema Tools workflow with FCP. Thanks for reminding me. I think.
 
*inserts generic I can't afford this and you are stupid if you can afford it comment*
*wonders if this post will get banned by the overly sensitive censors on macrumors*
 
For all the Threadripper fans I have a question.

The top 3 vendors for workstations are HP, Dell and Lenovo. All three of these companies sell a wide variety of computers using both Intel and AMD processors.

Yet for their high-end workstations they all use Xeon. Not Threadripper, but Xeon. Anyone care to explain why this is?

HEDT and workstation platform are much more expensive to build and will last very long time.
It will takes them more than 5 year to update their platform and Ryzen was just released 3 years ago.

Currently Intel HEDT is a total joke without ECC support and Intel workstation is only better at heating up your room. They lose to AMD even when AVX512 is enabled.

For Apple it's simple--they will switch to ARM next time so they do not care about what AMD is doing right now.
 
That's assuming that the performance of ARM processors matches or beats the performance of Intel's Xeon or AMD's Threadripper processors. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It already happened. Amazon AWS is already offering Neoverse N1 that has single thread performance better than AMD Epyc.

Neoverse N1 is already a 32 core CPU that could maintain its frequency on all cores so it is faster than a EPYC 7601 and anything below at an amazing 105W TDP.
 
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I am only looking forward to the scores that will be shared on how fast it is compared to the rest of the mac products and PC... seems like normal folk like myself, hope that the tech in the new MAC PRO will filter down to the rest of the product line in 5 years or so and perhaps the prices will drop down for a black friday bargain!
By that time waaaaaaay better will be out costing as much—especially w/ PCIe5 & PCIe6. Such is life.

For pros, they can't afford to wait that long. More than anything else they will work their tails off for their clients or employers to provide them this hardware and do all they can to just do personal work on it at worst as long as they can legally cover themselves that the actual owners of the machines don't own everything on those machines if they decide todo that.

For average joes… whatever; these products aren't for them and completely overkill for their use cases anyway.
 
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