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i honestly hope that at some point they will release an "amateur" display for those of us who can't justify spending 5-6k on a display. i mean the "pro" add-on is a freakin' joke this year anyway - there is absolutely nothing pro about the new iphones nor the airpods.
Sure there is. The Pro moniker indicates the highest performing model(s) in a product category, with the highest-end features. Unfortunately, best performance and most features tend to mean the highest priced as well.

re: the monitor, I’d really like Apple to offer at least a 27” 5k for maybe $1,500 with a decent TB3 hub, or maybe even a $2,000 version that adds a slot for a 250W GPU card. They could be based on the iMac and iMac Pro chassis, respectively. But maybe the market just isn’t big enough to justify it :(
 
Does anyone know if 64GB of RAM is a configuration possibility?

64GB is not listed on Apple's Tech Spec page? https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/

Is each of the 12 user-accessible Mac Pro DIMM slots its own memory bank?
The xeons use 6 channel memory (if possible) but 64 doesn’t divide by 6. I suspect the lowest memory config (which is just four DIMMs) is to provide a low cost option for those who want to upgrade themselves
 
I just don't understand why so many people hate the 8,1 mini. I do not use it as a "professional", but it has been a rock for everything I need. Paired with a decent eGPU is does a lot of things people don't give it credit for. I know it comes with non replaceable CPU and storage, but so does every laptop Apple sales now days. Cooling, not a problem if you get creative. I just don't get it...
 
Yes, you can. And I did over the summer. Switching to windows for this lifelong Mac guy has been a little easier than I had thought. It’s like learning a new language, but it’s not as bad as I thought.

Xeon W3275 and for me 1TB of ram is all I needed so wasn’t necessary for me to shell out an additional $3k for the M variant that Apple is forcing folks to do. The only diff between the W-3275 and the W3275M is the former maxes out at 1TB ram, and the latter at 1.5TB ram.

my specs are same as the top end MP, but I opted for 4 RTX 2080 Ti’s since they are vastly more powerful than the AMD GPU’s Apple is offering. Well, that and the fact that nothing runs without CUDA cores and having 20,000 CUDA cores in my machine has really sped up my workflow.

Total cost for my build was $28k:
W3275 CPU
ROG dominus extreme MB
1TB DDR4-2933 ECC RAM (16 X 64GB)
2TB NVME SSD (3500/MBs) for system
12TB NVME SSD (3000/MBs) for working files.
4 RTX 2080 Ti’s, each with 11GB ram
2 NV Links
Total cost including shipping and case and fans and radiators, and everything else: $28k.

I can tell you right now that the W3275 gets HOT FAST. There’s no way Apples passive air cooling will ever allow GHz boosting. My machine is obviously liquid cooled and so are the four GPU’s so it’s running in high boost even under high workload.

Apples MP is ONLY going to be useful to video editors who use Mac software. No working professional in any other industry will make the mistake of buying this machine for a production environment.

“Apples MP is ONLY going to be useful to video editors who use Mac software”

In other words, FCPX & LPX. I highly doubt those will be the only users buying the this machine. There’s CAD / CAM, scientific computing, ML / AI, AR / VR, software development
 
"The wait is almost over!"

for those .001% that run Final Cut Pro. Otherwise, an absolute rip-off of a machine.

AMD is already running circles around what this machine can do for anything else. Sorry, but Apple killed itself at this price point. It will be a failure in turns of sales numbers when compared to the cMP. Fact.

I am ever more motivated for my Dune Pro case to arrive with the Ryzen 4xxx series. I'm thinking about a 12 core machine...perfect for the Prosumer which the cMP USED TO SUPPORT. It is finally time that I give up Apple with a 10+ year history.

Should be in total, oh.....I don't know, $1400 with quality parts...and reusing my GTX 1070 which will destroy what's in the current cMP?

$5999 with a ****** sized SSD and GPU? F you Apple.
 
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I’m making my final decision after finding out the BTO.
I’m highly considering the MBP 16 And one XDR with nano tech.
I would love to get the MP but I think the workstation for my needs will be around $11k without the display. We’ll see.
Seen a few posts like yours. From the looks of it, the XDR Display could end up being a sleeper hit, even at $5,000 a pop
 
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No you can’t.
It's not easy to match Apple hardware specs at first, but after about 12-18 months it's usually easy to surpass them with equivalent or better parts. This is a good thing because Apple does need some sort of competition against its own product to keep prices reasonable and Apple needs to keep updating its kit to stay in the market. Unfortunately the Mac Pro update cycle has been so long that a lot of people have left their ecosystem altogether, including software vendors. There are cost-efficient set ups (hardware+software) for practically all use cases that exist for Windows based hardware now as much as MacOS.

But this Mac Pro is a work of engineering art, to be honest, and I don't think those particular people who buy one will be regretting it, or worrying too much about the price. On the other hand, in a year or two we'll see the specs eclipsed on the hacky-tosh websites.
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An iMac Pro price drop would be nice.
Yes. Non-Apple parts for the same spec (plus labor for assembly and testing) are at a better than 50% discount now.
 
Th Pro Display XDR uses what's called Dual-Layer LCD to eliminate haloing around bright patches of pixels. This is something that you can't do with miniLED until you have a LOT of lighting zones (like the 10,000 you sited). The only issue is, I highly doubt that the iPad and MacBook Pro are going to be having miniLED displays with 10,000 lighting zones. That's unheard of by today's standards, and I don't think Apple's going to be able to develop that kind of technology in just a year when no one else has been able to do it effectively yet. Heck, miniLED of ANY kind (including the upcoming Asus) has only a tiny number of lighting zones compared to 10,000. I just don't see it happening.

Seeing the performance lost though Thunderbolt's limited bandwidth, I'm not convinced that the Vega 56 BlackMagic eGPU will actually be much more powerful than the Navi 5500M in the 16" MacBook Pro. You're better off just powering it with your laptop.

Wait does PDX use Dual-Layer LCD? I did not hear it during the event or on the website.
If they do use dual-layer LCD, then why even bother using mini led?
EDIT: Did some searches about this topic, seems Apple did file patents, but they have never mentioned it being implemented in PDX. Considering they are being 'Apple', and selling PDX, I would love to believe that they actually used dual-layer LCD. If that is true, the display is well worth over $5000. However, there are news about Panasonic steering away from dual-layer LCD recently, maybe micro LED is really close to production?
EDIT*2: By reading through Apple's website, I am pretty certain there is only one layer of LCD.

Rumors about mini LEDs on iPads and macs were always 10000+. I doubt they can deliver that in 2020, or any mini led display on mobile devices in 2020.
EDIT: If PDX does use dual-layer LCD, I can see why ipp and mbp might need 10000+ LEDs, there is no way to use dual-layer LCDs on mobile devices. I also think the reason they only used 500+ LEDs in PDX might because of the need for extreme color calibration.
 
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But this Mac Pro is a work of engineering art, to be honest, and I don't think those particular people who buy one will be regretting it, or worrying too much about the price. On the other hand, in a year or two we'll see the specs eclipsed on the hacky-tosh websites.
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No, No. RIGHT NOW, BEFORE RELEASE, the cMP sucks compared to what a Threadripper can do....for 50% less.
 
My definition of a "professional": Anyone who makes money off the machine, such that owning it is critical to the bottom line of his/her business. If owning a MacBook Pro vs. an Air makes a difference to your income, then you're a professional as far as the IT market is concerned.

The Mac Pro is seriously Pro.
 
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"The wait is almost over!"

for those .001% that run Final Cut Pro. Otherwise, an absolute rip-off of a machine.

AMD is already running circles around what this machine can do for anything else. Sorry, but Apple killed itself at this price point. It will be a failure in turns of sales numbers when compared to the cMP. Fact.

I am ever more motivated for my Dune Pro case to arrive with the Ryzen 4xxx series. I'm thinking about a 12 core machine...perfect for the Prosumer which the cMP USED TO SUPPORT. It is finally time that I give up Apple with a 10+ year history.

Should be in total, oh.....I don't know, $1400 with quality parts...and reusing my GTX 1070 which will destroy what's in the current cMP?

$5999 with a ****** sized SSD and GPU? F you Apple.

Which then begs the question - so?

We have always known the Mac Pro is a niche of a niche. Sales will be low (~2-4% of total Mac sales).

We know that about 80% of Mac users buy laptops. The rest get iMacs, a couple get iMac Pros, and the remainder are still holding out for the Mac Pro.

The Mac Pro is meant for users whose needs cannot be met even with a souped up iMac Pro, and its price tag matches accordingly.

I don’t think Apple is very bothered by sales of the Mac Pro at all. It’s a vanity project for the 1% pros who create content for the other 99% of users. Sales can be poor, you can point to a myriad of reasons why that may be so, and it wouldn’t mean anything to Apple. Because sales of the other Mac products remain great.

It is fascinating watching the Apple community come to terms with the fact that Apple, by finally meeting nearly every one of their demands for a Mac Pro, has made a computer that is 100% not for them.
 
I just wonder how the upgrade path will look like. I mean will it be possible to go to the Apple Store and buy/order an additional 512GB Apple SSD for example?
 
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