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Apple to Release Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on December 10

wilhoitm said:
Does anyone know if 64GB of RAM is a configuration possibility?

64GB is not listed on Apple's Tech Spec page? https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/

Is each of the 12 user-accessible Mac Pro DIMM slots its own memory bank?
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Best performance requires six or twelve DIMMs of identical size. Lots of combinations are possible, but most would be sub-optimal, some drastically so.

Four or eight DIMMs, properly arranged across four of the six available channels would only give about two thirds of the max memory bandwidth, for instance. The 4x8GB config of the entry level model falls into this category.

So Apple will only allow a small subset of possible configs when upgrading, those with the highest performance, 6/12 identical DIMMs. Hopefully Apple will have a technical document available describing the relative performance of various configs, for those who upgrade on their own.
 
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Promostyle said:
Apples MP is ONLY going to be useful to video editors who use Mac software. No working professional in any other industry will make the mistake of buying this machine for a production environment.
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so top end music producers who use Logic Pro which is Mac only software like myself and everyone else I know in the music industry won’t use it?
One of the numptiest comments I’ve ever heard on here. We have 50k on reserve we would have given to Apple 5 years ago for this machine.
 
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Abazigal said:
It is fascinating watching the Apple community come to terms with the fact that Apple, by finally meeting nearly every one of their demands for a Mac Pro, has made a computer that is 100% not for them.
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Come to think about it...is this the first product that Apple made that is not for them? Is this the first time that they listened to what people wanted and not "tell" us what we want?

This is something... this is something to ponder...Apple has changed?!?
 
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Plutonius said:
Nobody is stopping you from getting a Threadripper if that's what you want.
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True. But Apple used to support me. And I used to have conversations with Steve Jobs himself via email while I was using a Mac Pro for school that I actually could afford while going through through the tech field. He personally saw fit that I received a copy of iLife shortly after I bought a Mac Pro that was a few months before it was included free of charge.

Opening up that package that he made sure I got was absolutely unbelievable.

Steve wanted the Mac Pro to be an expensive computer, but he didn’t price out the college undergrad or grad that could afford one with minimal options with a summer job in order to graduate and/or make sense of one as production work on the side.

The Mac Pro as Steve envisioned is dead. And long dead.

This is not only a rip off. This is a slit through the neck. This, for many, is the final straw and is the middle finger.

Apple left me.
 
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sfwalter said:
i doubt it. There's been no mention at all. I wish they would. The chips they need are now available. I don't need the power of a Mac Pro, so a revised iMac Pro would be nice.
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iMac Pro will not be updated for some time...probably late next year, Apple will wait for everyone who would consider buying a Mac Pro to buy first and then update the iMac Pro for additional sales for those who cannot afford the Mac Pro.

Then you cover all of the lost pros...maybe they will come back to the Mac...
 
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iAssimilated said:
I just don't understand why so many people hate the 8,1 mini. I do not use it as a "professional", but it has been a rock for everything I need.
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To me the biggest difference is 'headroom' - I do use a 2018 Mac mini as a "professional" (software development, usually with anywhere from 1 to a dozen VMs running at a time). It works fine for now, but I would see a 2019 Mac Pro as a longer term investment. I don't realistically expect to get 10 years of use (for work purposes) out of a 2018 Mac mini, I would expect to have some use for a 2019 Mac Pro in 10 years time, because regardless of how you buy it, it's much more upgradeable.

Don't misunderstand me, I think the Mini is a great machine for now, but the lack of ability to grow (i.e. it maxes out at 64GB of memory) limit's it's long term appeal I think.
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dantroline said:
Anyone who makes money off the machine
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That is literally it.

Anyone who thinks the appeal of the Mac Pro is limited to "FCPX users" is either deluded, or trying to convince themselves as much as anyone else.
 
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fendersrule said:
True. But Apple used to support me. And I used to have conversations with Steve Jobs himself via email while I was using a Mac Pro for school that I actually could afford while going through through the tech field. He personally saw fit that I received a copy of iLife shortly after I bought a Mac Pro that was a few months before it was included free of charge.

Opening up that package that he made sure I got was absolutely unbelievable.

Steve wanted the Mac Pro to be an expensive computer, but he didn’t price out the college undergrad or grad that could afford one with minimal options with a summer job in order to graduate and/or make sense of one as production work on the side.

The Mac Pro as Steve envisioned is dead. And long dead.

This is not only a rip off. This is a slit through the neck. This, for many, is the final straw and is the middle finger.

Apple left me.
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While I do feel you're being a tad harsh, a part of me can't help but agree.

For the people saying that it's always been like this, that the Mac Pro was NEVER meant to be a computer for the people who now complain they can no longer afford one, you're wrong. And it's even easier to see through the Pro Display XDR. Is it a wonderful piece of technology that's going to save a lot of people who genuinely need and can make use of it from having to buy a $15K+ reference monitor? Sure, of course it will. But stop and notice one thing: Apple never made reference monitors before, EVER. Reference monitors have existed for a long time, but Apple always chose to make "prosumer" monitors (as we're apparently calling them now) instead.

They really did leave behind the large audience of pros who were looking forward to this machine in exchange for an even tinier audience of "true" high end pros. "It's not for you" is the new slogan I'm hearing touted around everywhere, even though it always WAS for us in the past. But go ahead, keep pretending that nothing's changed and that the people who feel this way can just buy an iMac Pro instead, even though it's not upgradable and STILL more expensive than a decently speced trashcan Mac Pro from 2013 (that's right, the machine everyone felt was trash was leagues better in value, somehow).
 
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Not sure it’s been asked in this thread as yet but has anyone outside of North America received this email from Apple? Nothing in OZ. worrying. Maybe Tim’s comment to Trump was clear. Shipping to America’s only this year.
 
RedTheReader said:
They really did leave behind the large audience of pros who were looking forward to this machine in exchange for an even tinier audience of "true" high end pros.
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The complaints I see about the 2019 Mac Pro are not "I am a <insert professional here> and could afford a 2010 Mac Pro but this new one is too much". They're all "I am not a professional but I could afford a 2010 Mac Pro and I prefer a tower, but this new one is too much".
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Top of the line as in, top model, not top configuration.

In terms of desktops:

iMac | Mac mini > iMac Pro > Mac Pro.

But hey thanks for the attempted insult.
 
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davidec said:
so top end music producers who use Logic Pro which is Mac only software like myself and everyone else I know in the music industry won’t use it?
One of the numptiest comments I’ve ever heard on here. We have 50k on reserve we would have given to Apple 5 years ago for this machine.
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To be fair, @Promostyle later amended his comment, see post #88. But I disagree with the “only FCPX and LPX” characterization of 2019 MP buyers. I think there will be much wider interest in this machine, and I think it will do surprisingly well.

But the monitor is (mostly) for those who need a high-end, color-calibrated display, so mostly video, also graphics artists and photogs who deal with digital color reproduction... printing/publishing etc. If it performs as advertised, it’s a steal.
 
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davidec said:
Not sure it’s been asked in this thread as yet but has anyone outside of North America received this email from Apple? Nothing in OZ. worrying. Maybe Tim’s comment to Trump was clear. Shipping to America’s only this year.
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Might be a timing thing - if the notice went out on Friday in the US, that's Saturday for most of the rest of the world.
 
Stephen.R said:
The complaints I see about the 2019 Mac Pro are not "I am a <insert professional here> and could afford a 2010 Mac Pro but this new one is too much". They're all "I am not a professional but I could afford a 2010 Mac Pro and I prefer a tower, but this new one is too much".
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This doesn't negate the existence of the many, many people saying the first of the two lines.
 
Stephen.R said:
The complaints I see about the 2019 Mac Pro are not "I am a <insert professional here> and could afford a 2010 Mac Pro but this new one is too much". They're all "I am not a professional but I could afford a 2010 Mac Pro and I prefer a tower, but this new one is too much".
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Top of the line as in, top model, not top configuration.

In terms of desktops:

iMac | Mac mini > iMac Pro > Mac Pro.

But hey thanks for the attempted insult.
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And I’ve proven on other threads that the Mac Pro has increased price by over 100% since the cMP INCLUDING inflation.

but hey thanks for the attempted patronization.
 
I'm sure it's been confirmed, but something about the layout / type on that email doesn't look very polished could make me think it's a fake.
 
PickUrPoison said:
To be fair, @Promostyle later amended his comment, see post #88. But I disagree with the “only FCPX and LPX” characterization of 2019 MP buyers. I think there will be much wider interest in this machine, and I think it will do surprisingly well.

But the monitor is (mostly) for those who need a high-end, color-calibrated display, so mostly video, also graphics artists and photogs who deal with digital color reproduction... printing/publishing etc. If it performs as advertised, it’s a steal.
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This is absolutely on point. From comments here and on other forums it's pretty clear that the "prosumer" crowd that is so upset about the cost of this, is also the crowd that, despite insisting they need a Mac with no built in display, largely expects to buy the Apple display that is "paired" to go with the Mac Pro at the time of release (in this case the Pro Display).

To me this just highlights the "I want to have one but I have no actual use for one that an iMac or Mac mini wouldn't be sufficient" aspect of it.

In a 2019 world I believe maybe 10% of Mac Pro customers will also buy the Apple Pro Display. If the market for the Mac Pro is "niche" (which it is, but I don't think it's as niche as people make out out to be) the market for the Pro Display is a tiny sliver of that niche.

Software engineers do not need the Pro Display. Audio engineers do not need the Pro display. Heck a lot of graphic artists likely don't need the Pro Display.

If a flying spaghetti monster gave me $5K (or, $6K with the stand?) to spend on a display and that's all I can spend it on, the Pro Display wouldn't even enter my mind. Give me multiple, high PPI 4k displays over one giant one any day.
 
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RedTheReader said:
While I do feel you're being a tad harsh, a part of me can't help but agree.

For the people saying that it's always been like this, that the Mac Pro was NEVER meant to be a computer for the people who now complain they can no longer afford one, you're wrong. And it's even easier to see through the Pro Display XDR. Is it a wonderful piece of technology that's going to save a lot of people who genuinely need and can make use of it from having to buy a $15K+ reference monitor? Sure, of course it will. But stop and notice one thing: Apple never made reference monitors before, EVER. Reference monitors have existed for a long time, but Apple always chose to make "prosumer" monitors (as we're apparently calling them now) instead.

They really did leave behind the large audience of pros who were looking forward to this machine in exchange for an even tinier audience of "true" high end pros. "It's not for you" is the new slogan I'm hearing touted around everywhere, even though it always WAS for us in the past. But go ahead, keep pretending that nothing's changed and that the people who feel this way can just buy an iMac Pro instead, even though it's not upgradable and STILL more expensive than a decently speced trashcan Mac Pro from 2013 (that's right, the machine everyone felt was trash was leagues better in value, somehow).
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and the beauty of it all...the dune pro case arrives...and AMD is scorching hot...and Windows 10 ain’t bad.
 
Will I be able to install Windows Vista and play Minesweeper on it?

But seriously, I wish I could afford one. Perhaps next life.
 
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MacRumors said:
with an Apple-esque stainless steel frame
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I don’t understand the use of “Apple-esque” here.

I would only use that phrasing if I were talking about a product of another company/person who had created something with design cues that resembled Apple’s style.

In this case, it’s an Apple design so it’s not Apple-esque…
 
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fendersrule said:
True. But Apple used to support me. And I used to have conversations with Steve Jobs himself via email while I was using a Mac Pro for school that I actually could afford while going through through the tech field. He personally saw fit that I received a copy of iLife shortly after I bought a Mac Pro that was a few months before it was included free of charge.

Opening up that package that he made sure I got was absolutely unbelievable.

Steve wanted the Mac Pro to be an expensive computer, but he didn’t price out the college undergrad or grad that could afford one with minimal options with a summer job in order to graduate and/or make sense of one as production work on the side.

The Mac Pro as Steve envisioned is dead. And long dead.

This is not only a rip off. This is a slit through the neck. This, for many, is the final straw and is the middle finger.

Apple left me.
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College students don’t need a Mac Pro. Hell even many pros don’t need a Mac Pro nowadays; many happily moved to iMac over the last 5-7 years as they became capable of the kinds of computing that used to require a Mac Pro previously.

It seems to me your romanticizing the physical embodiment of the Mac Pro, where MBP, iMacs and the Mac mini have taken over that space. What’s left for Mac Pro is the high end, and no college student needs one.
 
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