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They aren't saying that at all. The new MacBook Pro is likely to come with a Retina Display, a quad-core processor, a discrete GPU (in some configurations) and larger storage capacities (by virtue of continued use of hard drives, perhaps with a small SSD for faster booting). The Air comes with none of these features.

What Apple appears to be saying is that they think the time has come when it is no longer necessary to include optical drives or Ethernet ports built in, even on a "pro" notebook.

They're simply observing the rise of wireless and the trends in recent years of acquiring software via the internet. Other than some dreadful software I've had to install from DVD recently, I can't remember the last time I used the DVD drive in my laptop (and I work in the industry)... nor can I remember the last time I plugged an ethernet cable into it. So with that said, I very much agree with you.
 
No Ethernet? I don't see this going down well.

If I'm not mistaken, the Ethernet port had to go to accommodate the slightly thinner overall form factor.

Apple is savvy enough not to leave Ethernet users in the lurch. I expect to see a USB3-to-Gigabit Ethernet adapter, either "in the box" or as an available accessory.

There are currently 3rd party USB-to-GBEthernet adapters out there, priced around $30 or so.
 
I use the ethernet port to image computers for our school district. As long as the ethernet adapters are gigabit and not too expensive, I don't see a problem with removing ethernet from my perspective. I do understand why others would rather have an integrated port, though.

Some have made the argument that this is like Apple ditching the floppy drive. I disagree. The floppy was a technology that was naturally coming to the end of its life because of other types of built-in storage options, namely the optical drive. It also was way too limited in storage capacity. Ethernet, on the other hand, is an old technology, but it is also everywhere and it is evolving. It also requires a cheap cable!

Of course, none of us really know if any of these rumors are true... we'll see soon enough!
I would suspect that on average, MBP users utilize the ethernet port less than 1% of the time (most probably never use it). For those few who do use it, an adapter will be available. It's more like removing the optical drive from the MBA, since some people do occasionally use optical drives, but the amount of use does not merit their inclusion as a built-in component if that inclusion compromises the design of the device.
Oh... and what about the Mac Pro? (I had to get that in!!!) LMAO
Mac Pro? What's that? ;)

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Probably not, but my back thinks "thin" and "light" are just great specifications.
Yes, for the majority notebook users, these are the most important specs. The computing power of most modern notebooks already exceeds the requirements for what most people do with them.
 
I actually have the same problem with my Firewire chains. I have a number of external drivers that I connect via FW. It works fine with 2 drives, but it gets extremely flaky if I add a third hard drive to the chain or it simply just does not recognise it.
Are these bus-powered 2.5" drives? If yes, you simply are hitting the limit of the power supply. I can operate up to three 2.5" bus-powered drives on a FW port but sometimes they won't mount or only partially mount (or even unmount). For mounting it sometimes helps to connect them one at a time. But whether things work without problems depend on the precise power consumption of the drives (which varies from model to model) and the consumption varies a lot depending on what you ask the drives to do.
 
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This mockup confuses me and I don't believe this to be the real port arrangements. I cannot see the magsafe port and thunderbolt port(s) on opposite sides of each other.
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Will the thunderbolt/magsafe cord from the Thunderbolt Display split that much to go to opposite ends of the laptop. I see that as a big design flaw if true.
 
Are these bus-powered 2.5" drives? If yes, you simply are hitting the limit of the power supply. I can operate up to three 2.5" bus-powered drives on a FW port but sometimes they won't mount or only partially mount (or even unmount). For mounting it sometimes helps to connect them one at a time. But whether things work without problems depend on the precise power consumption of the drives (which varies from model to model) and the consumption varies a lot depending on what you ask the drives to do.

Yes, they are bus-powered. Thanks for the explanation - makes perfect sense.

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This mockup confuses me and I don't believe this to be the real port arrangements. I cannot see the magsafe port and thunderbolt port(s) on opposite sides of each other.

That's the problem with rumours and mock-ups based on rumours.
 
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This mockup confuses me and I don't believe this to be the real port arrangements. I cannot see the magsafe port and thunderbolt port(s) on opposite sides of each other.
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Will the thunderbolt/magsafe cord from the Thunderbolt Display split that much to go to opposite ends of the laptop. I see that as a big design flaw if true.

The mockup isn't based on anything really - it's just a slapped together image of a thinner MBP with an assortment of ports. It's is likely that with the ODD gone some stuff will move to the right side, but this mockup shouldn't be taken as confirmation of which ones will.
 
Will the thunderbolt/magsafe cord from the Thunderbolt Display split that much to go to opposite ends of the laptop. I see that as a big design flaw if true.

My 13" macbook air begs to differ. Its thunderbolt port and magsafe are on opposite sides.
 
Yeah, $30 is nothing when you can spend $1000+ on a laptop. But it's funny when you can get ethernet built in for no additional cost last year, and suddenly you have to spend extra for an adapter this year. I'm pretty sure the new MBP wouldnt get any cheaper just because it has no more Ethernet port.

It's not about spend extra $30 for a $1000 laptop. Of course people could afford it. But it's nice to have something built in rather than messing around with bunch of adapters.
Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if our laptops had a (m)DP, a DVI, an HDMI, and a VGA port. No need for adaptors anymore.
 
No. But basic port such as ethernet is necessary. Imagine that by today's technology, it's possible for Apple to just build a Macbook only with MagSafe and Thunderbolt and that's it. They could make it even thinner and sold for the same price as today, and if you need some legacy ports
You miss the point. The point is to have enough ports to satisfy the vast majority of users most of the time. The so-called 80-20 solution (not that it necessarily has to be exactly 80%). Did the lack of an Ethernet port really hamper the sales of the MBA? Doesn't look like it.

I used to use Ethernet at work but since 802.11N, I don't bother anymore. It is one more thing to plug in everyday, one more thing sticks out the side of my computer. The point is not whether some people need Ethernet, the question is how many people need it (and how many is 'enough' to justify its existence).

The opposite of your proposal is put every port possible onto a laptop (I could use a DVI port for example and FW400 port). And it not just about aesthetics, covering the full left or right side with ports also eats about one to two centimetres of internal space which could be used for example for a bigger battery.
 
You miss the point. The point is to have enough ports to satisfy the vast majority of users most of the time. The so-called 80-20 solution (not that it necessarily has to be exactly 80%). Did the lack of an Ethernet port really hamper the sales of the MBA? Doesn't look like it.

I used to use Ethernet at work but since 802.11N, I don't bother anymore. It is one more thing to plug in everyday, one more thing sticks out the side of my computer. The point is not whether some people need Ethernet, the question is how many people need it (and how many is 'enough' to justify its existence).

The opposite of your proposal is put every port possible onto a laptop (I could use a DVI port for example and FW400 port). And it not just about aesthetics, covering the full left or right side with ports also eats about one to two centimetres of internal space which could be used for example for a bigger battery.

I think some of this Ethernet debate stems from whether you have access to 802.11N (or any wireless) while working. At office, I do, but do know that at times I can be in a hotel with plug in only service. For me a dongle/adapter/whatever is fine, as this kind of thing is rare, and if it means better insides, I'm fine with less ports.
 
And frankly, are you using USB devices ? What's a USB -> Ethernet adapter in a scenario where disks/specialised FW equipement is concerned ?

Seems to me a lot of this whining isn't even based in real world use scenarios. Just whining for whining's sake.

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And their solution is usually adapters. Either deal or move away. I chose deal. Some may prefer "move away".
Not really sure why you feel the need to lodge personal insults, but my situation is a real world use scenario. I make my living using my computer making music and graphics. I sometimes have to use USB-2 because a drive will have both outputs, but my firewire 800 is already maxed out, so I will use USB. Plus many midi-controllers are usb-based.

I own 2 MacBook Pros. I used to run off a tower, but a few years ago I did so much touring abroad that it made more sense to have laptops with me. But Apple advertises that these laptops can be used for Professional audio/visual work and in my opinion they should keep them up to higher standards. Not just aesthetic standards, but they should also consider what professional users can use.

Seb, yes, that problem of more than 2 drives is very very real. I've had it echoed back to me from Apogee as well as RME. It's a very known problem. Thanks for explaining that the speed won't be brought down. It's actually been explained to me that the opposite is true, but perhaps I just misunderstood.
 
From what I've been reading for the past month or so, only the 15" are expected to be updated. I'm wrong, right? I'm looking to get a 13" to replace my 2008 MacBook. No, I don't want a MBA, thaanks.
 
Not too sure about other places but here in Ontario, Canada I know there are some universities (McMaster for example) that don't offer wifi to students in dorms and they have to use Ethernet. It'd he annoying if you had to get an adapter for your computer just so your laptop was a little thinner.


And to everyone saying just buy an adapter it's only $25-$30, it's not necessarily about the money but the principle. The fact that Apple is charging extra for features that are standard elsewhere.
Simple question: how low would the proportion of users be that clearly preferred a built-in Ethernet port before Apple would be morally allowed to drop the port?
 
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