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Apple to Release Thinner MacBook Pro at WWDC
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Wait....there's no modem anymore?
I've been lurking....reading these posts it's like a tennis match, the visionaries versus the worried warts.
For those asking how they will move their "stuff" from a macbook with an optical drive to one without....if you are really using optical media to move your stuff, do not...I repeat...do not even think of newer technology. Using a CD or DVD to move your stuff is about as efficient as making a copy of a document by rewriting it. If you can't figure out how to move your data without optical media, stay where you are...don't move.
Most software companies allow you to download it anyway....better for them (cheaper) and easier to sell online where people are more impulsive and "need it now". If you have a Mac with a burner, your optical drive-less machine can see that drive over your wifi and pull the info from it. It's like magic.
For those "jumping to windows" because of this, best of luck.
For those saying it's a netbook, let me know which netbooks run Aperture, Photoshop or any other "real" programs.
Relax, have a drink, do some work...and let's see what comes out. Don't like it? Don't buy it.
I've been lurking....reading these posts it's like a tennis match, the visionaries versus the worried warts.
For those asking how they will move their "stuff" from a macbook with an optical drive to one without....if you are really using optical media to move your stuff, do not...I repeat...do not even think of newer technology. Using a CD or DVD to move your stuff is about as efficient as making a copy of a document by rewriting it. If you can't figure out how to move your data without optical media, stay where you are...don't move.
Most software companies allow you to download it anyway....better for them (cheaper) and easier to sell online where people are more impulsive and "need it now". If you have a Mac with a burner, your optical drive-less machine can see that drive over your wifi and pull the info from it. It's like magic.
For those "jumping to windows" because of this, best of luck.
For those saying it's a netbook, let me know which netbooks run Aperture, Photoshop or any other "real" programs.
Relax, have a drink, do some work...and let's see what comes out. Don't like it? Don't buy it.
In the music and visual field there are so many external devices. Each one takes a port. Each is demanding as hell. This is on top of the mounds and mounds of external drives that need connection. It's actually quite an effort to get it all to work properly.
Out of the billions of people on this planet, I'm sure at least a few (including myself) care...
I've been waiting for this, and was really keen on getting it, but for me it solely depends on the inclusion of a gigabit nic port.
I work in secure environments where the use of Wifi is not allowed, and have need of a gigabit Ethernet port in order to transfer virtual machines and other large files across the network. Even if they released a thunderbolt adapter carrying around a separate adapter seems ridiculous just in aid of shaving a few millimetres off of the machine.
I work in secure environments where the use of Wifi is not allowed, and have need of a gigabit Ethernet port in order to transfer virtual machines and other large files across the network. Even if they released a thunderbolt adapter carrying around a separate adapter seems ridiculous just in aid of shaving a few millimetres off of the machine.
Yes, and basically all of the manufacturers of these devices are now embracing Thunderbolt. Did you not follow NAB this year?
Nearly all the manufacturers of these devices are still on Firewire400 or USB2. And what about if you have already invested thousands of dollars on said Firewire peripherals. Time to pony up another 4K for a thunderbolt model, plus of course another 200. for a thunderbolt adapter for your FW800 hard drives that have all your projects on them?
My experience of hubs is that they don't work smoothly. I invested nearly 400 dollars in a pro firewire 800 hub, and it worked for a year, than pooped out.
I don't mean to argue with you, or sound like a cranky ******. I'm just as excited by this new technology as anyone. My point is that Apple should still offer support for some of the most basic older technologies.
For the MBA I have the Ethernet USB Adapter, it will work in this macbook too.
If you have such high external connectivity needs, why are you using a platform with limited ports such as a laptop in the first place ? I don't run servers off of laptops just because I can and they come with an integrated "UPS".
The right tool for the right job comes to mind here.
Anyhow, Thunderbolt is a bus extender. This is precisely what it serves as a purpose. A big PCI Express bus that's external, not internal. To that, you connect your interconnects and connect your devices to there. It's much more stable than previous USB/FW connectivity and providers much greater advantages at the price of cost.
And frankly, are you using USB devices ? What's a USB -> Ethernet adapter in a scenario where disks/specialised FW equipement is concerned ?
Seems to me a lot of this whining isn't even based in real world use scenarios. Just whining for whining's sake.
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Apple does not have a good track record in doing that.
And their solution is usually adapters. Either deal or move away. I chose deal. Some may prefer "move away".
hopefully the MP and Mini
will also get some love. Right now, I am not updating but I really hope Mister Cook will reveal these in late June-early July.
I do not own either machine, but when my iMac needs replacing I will switch to either one of these (most likely a mini given my needs).
It's great to see Mac news.
will also get some love. Right now, I am not updating but I really hope Mister Cook will reveal these in late June-early July.
I do not own either machine, but when my iMac needs replacing I will switch to either one of these (most likely a mini given my needs).
It's great to see Mac news.
Define pro market. Define why, in your definition, every pro needs an ethernet port. Or tell me what the Macbook Pro DOESN'T do that a pro laptop should.
As much as i'm excited to see what comes out in the near future, i dont need one anymore, wacked an SSd in my macbook 2006 and its given it a new lease of life. Bring on Macbook pro 2013
I can't answer your question, but it's pretty easy to define pro whiners and what they need.
It's not always all or nothing. I can be looking for a variety of factors in a laptop, and smaller/slimmer/lighter can be just one aspect, but still enough of a draw to influence my purchasing decisions.
I don't think it is a bad move. At a time where every other company is apparently going all out to ape the MacBook air with their ultra books, now can be a good time to do an about face by releasing a whole new slew of laptop options and focusing on the pro.
I guess what it all boils down to is different strokes for different folks.
I don't love the optical drive. I don't think it's the most amazing piece of technology in the world, and I'd happily give have given it up for something better in its place. If they switched it to an SSD slot, and gave the option to have an SSD and HDD as standard, I'd be on that ****.
The fact that they just removed it to make it thinner isn't good enough for me. If I wanted a thinner MBP I would have bought the Air.
I *can* understand you/other people liking the thinner design. But surely everyone can see how this is going to hurt in the long run?
Apple are basically saying "there is no reason to buy the MacBook Pro". Hell, it might not even come with an SSD a standard, so the MacBook Pro would be even less well specc'd than the Air.
It's not about removing the ODD. At least that's not all it's about. It's about Apple basically having two laptops on the market that are practically technological twins. It doesn't make sense. I/people had the choice of an ultra-thin, ultra-portable already. Now I only have the choice of those machines. I just wanted a "normal" Mac laptop. So I guess that leaves me with the 2011 models, although I'll need to buy from Apple ASAP... as then they get updated, I won't be able to use my student discount anywhere else but Apple (on a 2012 model I don't want).
Agreed. I can't believe the amount of people moaning about an archaic port. All I know is that I'm buying one of these day one and I'm gonna frikkin love it. I'll probably eventually buy a superdrive to leave at home for the one time a year I use it, and an ethernet dongle just in case I travel and am forced to stay somewhere that lives in the past. Pretty small price to pay for what I would call the biggest thing in Mac history since they switched to Intel.
Edit: Macbook Air was pretty big. But this is coming to the whole line of Macs.
I'm going to be frank about this. You obviously don't know anything about the technology in these things if you think that the Macbook Pro and the Air are going to be identical if the Macbook Pro doesn't have ethernet or an ODD. The Macbook Air uses ULV processors which are considerably slower than the ones found in the MBP. The MBP has discrete graphics which aren't found in the MBA AT ALL. The MBP has a higher resolution in addition to a larger screen size. The MBP, even with the proposed changes, has more ports. The MBP is upgradeable.
What laptops are you looking at to see technological twins?
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They aren't saying that at all. The new MacBook Pro is likely to come with a Retina Display, a quad-core processor, a discrete GPU (in some configurations) and larger storage capacities (by virtue of continued use of hard drives, perhaps with a small SSD for faster booting). The Air comes with none of these features.
What Apple appears to be saying is that they think the time has come when it is no longer necessary to include optical drives or Ethernet ports built in, even on a "pro" notebook.
People said the same thing when they discovered that the ipad couldn't run flash and lacked quite a few ports like USB or expandable memory. That doesn't seem to have affected their sales much, if at all.
Perhaps that's exactly it? That Apple plans to converge their air/pro lines and streamline their laptop selection to just 3 basic offerings - 11" air as we know it, 13" air/pro hybrid, and 15" pro (but with air-inspired features).
Likewise, I too am carrying around a bunch of cables (iphone charger/vga adaptor/thumbdrive/external drive), and I find that a small first-aid bag makes a convenient carrying case, which when zipped up, is really "out of sight, out of mind".
In short, there may be no running away from the air at all!
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I use the ethernet port to image computers for our school district. As long as the ethernet adapters are gigabit and not too expensive, I don't see a problem with removing ethernet from my perspective. I do understand why others would rather have an integrated port, though.
Some have made the argument that this is like Apple ditching the floppy drive. I disagree. The floppy was a technology that was naturally coming to the end of its life because of other types of built-in storage options, namely the optical drive. It also was way too limited in storage capacity. Ethernet, on the other hand, is an old technology, but it is also everywhere and it is evolving. It also requires a cheap cable!
Of course, none of us really know if any of these rumors are true... we'll see soon enough!
Oh... and what about the Mac Pro? (I had to get that in!!!) LMAO
I use the ethernet port to image computers for our school district. As long as the ethernet adapters are gigabit and not too expensive, I don't see a problem with removing ethernet from my perspective. I do understand why others would rather have an integrated port, though.
Some have made the argument that this is like Apple ditching the floppy drive. I disagree. The floppy was a technology that was naturally coming to the end of its life because of other types of built-in storage options, namely the optical drive. It also was way too limited in storage capacity. Ethernet, on the other hand, is an old technology, but it is also everywhere and it is evolving. It also requires a cheap cable!
Of course, none of us really know if any of these rumors are true... we'll see soon enough!
Oh... and what about the Mac Pro? (I had to get that in!!!) LMAO
am i the only one thinking that "thin" is just a marketing solution?
is common sense to associate thin to "light and portable". this is so not true.
am i the only one wanting instead a TRUE lighter product, but most important, a SMALLER product in length and width?
i don't care about height, it won't change the size of my bag if it's 2cm, 2.2 or 1.8 (sorry inches, i'm from europe : )
but if they will cut 1cm on length and width, keeping the same screen size (small bezel), saving space by having less slanted edges, then i could maybe carry it also in my small bag/backpack, or under my arm, fit it more easily in tight desks without annoying nearby students, or even lay it on my laps on a crowded room.
as long as it is not foldable-thin, then why caring so much about height?
is common sense to associate thin to "light and portable". this is so not true.
am i the only one wanting instead a TRUE lighter product, but most important, a SMALLER product in length and width?
i don't care about height, it won't change the size of my bag if it's 2cm, 2.2 or 1.8 (sorry inches, i'm from europe : )
but if they will cut 1cm on length and width, keeping the same screen size (small bezel), saving space by having less slanted edges, then i could maybe carry it also in my small bag/backpack, or under my arm, fit it more easily in tight desks without annoying nearby students, or even lay it on my laps on a crowded room.
as long as it is not foldable-thin, then why caring so much about height?