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Apple to Release Thinner MacBook Pro at WWDC
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I don't think Apple had any particular trade in mind when designing the MacBook Pro, so it's still quite a Pro.
Then they can afford an adapter or airport. Or how about a dock if you insist on using a laptop in a non-mobile situation by attaching an ethernet cord to it?
You seem hung up on the lawyer thing, are YOU one? Would make sense because lawyers are notoriously hung up on outdated technology and unable to upgrade to new ways. And if you are a lawyer, you don't need a MacBook Pro and only have one to make yourself feel important.
And that trade would be....? I am a motion graphics designer and graphics operator. My clients include Procter & Gamble, Delta Airlines, General Mills, and other large companies. My career involves carrying a 40 lb computer bag with TWO 17" MacBook Pros, two external hard drives and just about every adapter you can think of for video output and data transfer onto a plane and flying anywhere the show is. When I get onsite, I transfer gigabytes of movies and graphics to the show computers for display on large projection screens or LED walls. Many of those movies I created myself on my Mac Pro and often tweak onsite with my MacBook Pro. Been doing this for about twelve years so I think I have a good handle on, and quite particular about, what I need from a computer. I haven't used an ethernet port since the '90s. I don't need a thinner laptop but I would like to get rid of the ethernet port and spread out the usb and firewire ports so I can accommodate all the odd-shaped thumb drives people hand me. But that's a nice to have since I have a usb extender AND a hub with me because I'm a PRO.
Excuse me if I don't want MacBook Pros to stagnate because a few people who won't get with the times are still using ethernet and floppy disks. Yeah, I bet you wish they still took floppies.
Now we know your maturity level and all your arguments have been discounted accordingly. Learn how to spell, PRO.
We all know USB 2.0 doesn't really really run at 480 Mbps, that's just a burst rate figure people trot out so they can claim it's faster than Firewire. Sustained transfer rates were more like 70 Mbps.
As long as there is a dongle that allows for similar speeds, I am ok with it
Face it, wired networking is going the way of floppys
Face it, wired networking is going the way of floppys
Sure there are adapters to get from thunderbolt to gig ethernet. Sure there are wifi spots in a lot of places, inlcudnig most homes.
But the users I support will lose those stupid adapters, and we do not allow our corporate network to be "wifi-ied".
I'm gonna have to tell the Web dev team to wait on the next batch of laptops.
If they really are chucking ethernet and SD on the MBP why wouldn't we just go with MB Airs?
Most of our mac users outside of the actual graphic dept are just using email and some web apps. Nothing a MBA cant handle.
(and why do so many people want Apple to neuter the MBP into a MBA?)
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The only reason why we are talking abotu thunderbolt/lightpeak is that Intel and Apple never saw eye to eye on FW licensing for inclusion in Intel chipsets.
Thunderbolt, being an intel developed standard, will end up being included in its chipsets.
But the users I support will lose those stupid adapters, and we do not allow our corporate network to be "wifi-ied".
I'm gonna have to tell the Web dev team to wait on the next batch of laptops.
If they really are chucking ethernet and SD on the MBP why wouldn't we just go with MB Airs?
Most of our mac users outside of the actual graphic dept are just using email and some web apps. Nothing a MBA cant handle.
(and why do so many people want Apple to neuter the MBP into a MBA?)
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There are already RFC's for FW1600 and FW3200.
The only reason why we are talking abotu thunderbolt/lightpeak is that Intel and Apple never saw eye to eye on FW licensing for inclusion in Intel chipsets.
Thunderbolt, being an intel developed standard, will end up being included in its chipsets.
Yeah the standard network interface for the past 25 years (and more) and the coming 5-10 years at least is akin to floppies. You have us all convinced. Maybe people should get on with the times and get small business, corporate, university, conference hall etc. etc. infrastructure to lose the cables cause apple wants to sell overpriced 400% margin adapters and shave off a couple of mms from the macbook pros. And because they don't give a damn about their pro users nowadays that they are selling iphones like hotcakes to soccer moms be they chinese, japanese, american or european.
Yes people are still using ethernet as much as floppy disks. It's not your fault that you talk such nonsense, it's because you need to defend apple so vehemently that you are forced to talk nonsense, because there's no other way to defend a bs move other than with bs excuses. You can't use rational arguments to defend irrational things.
horse-hockey - AKA "BS"
Of course it depends on the device, but USB 2.0 disk drives have no trouble with sustained 240 Mbps to 280 Mbps. That's in fact nearly as fast as 1394 drives.
It's fine to point out the difference between peak and real-life sustained bandwidth - but not cool to lie about real-life and claim that it's less than a third of what's delivered.
And, of course, I'm talking about the non-Apple systems. Apple has shipped some notoriously slow USB stacks - but that's Apple's fault and not USB.
We all know USB 2.0 doesn't really really run at 480 Mbps, that's just a burst rate figure people trot out so they can claim it's faster than Firewire. Sustained transfer rates were more like 70 Mbps.
Of course it depends on the device, but USB 2.0 disk drives have no trouble with sustained 240 Mbps to 280 Mbps. That's in fact nearly as fast as 1394 drives.
It's fine to point out the difference between peak and real-life sustained bandwidth - but not cool to lie about real-life and claim that it's less than a third of what's delivered.
And, of course, I'm talking about the non-Apple systems. Apple has shipped some notoriously slow USB stacks - but that's Apple's fault and not USB.
I understand that it can be inconvenient but if the IT department can equip all offices with Ethernet cables, why can't it also add Ethernet to whatever (TB or USB 3) adaptors to those cables? It is not as if current MBPs ship with Ethernet cables, you have to provide them yourself.
And what about external monitors for your laptop users? Are they all mDP? Or did you also advise that no Apple laptops should be bought anymore the day they ditched VGA and later DVI?
One thing going by current thunderbolt prices the thunderbolt to Ethernet adapters should cost an arm and a leg. Ethernet cables are dirt cheap btw, they literally just give them away, and in offices you don't bring your Ethernet cable a lot of times anyway it's there just sticking out of the plug waiting for you.
Imagine losing that uber pricy thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter btw... which is bound to happen sooner or later if you travel with it.
I read on the Internet that Steve Jobs personally approved of USB 3.0 in the next MacBooks the day before he died.
So, it will be, and the fans will sing Hallelujah! when the new USB 3.0 MacBooks are announced.
Must have had some performance improvements then.
Source: Bare Feats: USB 2.0 versus FireWire
There's also this set of tests on a specific drive.
Yet another reason to avoid a USB dongle and go for a real Ethernet port.
Yes please. I have no faith in Belkin's ability to bring anything to market.
I have a 13in MBA and, apart from Ethernet, it does fine. An upgrade to this "new" MBP and a decent hub would be ideal.
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A crap piece of kit wrt throughput. A replacement that uses USB3 and gives 90+MBps - now that's worth talking about.
Seems in line... 2 years ago it "wasn't ready", now it is, so again Steve was right.
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Uh... you see nothing wrong with that chart considering were in 2012 ?
Or the fact that USB 2.0 is scoring "half" of FW400...
Or that 17 MegaBytes is more than your 70 Mbps, it's 136, which is higher than 100 mbps Ethernet anyhow.
That chart only serves to destroy your arguments against USB 2.0 and the upcoming 3.0 if anything.
No your claim that USB was removed from DSL/Cable CPEs because of some performance issue in regards to DOCSIS 3.0 is plain ludicrous. Having actually worked in that industry, I told you why it was removed : compatibility/usefulness. It was a convenience feature. When it was no longer convenient, people stopped bothering.
CausticPuppy, I've been making music with two laptops for the last 4 years. Before that I had a tower. I FAR preferred the experience of the tower. Here's why: there's just one FW port on the laptop, and it doesn't properly power more than 2 external drives. Yes, there's the USB2, but in my experience it can be under-powered as well. Not to mention the fact that it's usually where I connect midi controllers. As well, the FW port doesn't hold on to the FW cable - the plug always seems a bit awkward, so you have to be careful not to move it. Yes indeed, the sound is also quite loud, but that's computers in general. You probably will have to work on isolating your recordings anyway, if you intend to use a mic. I would highly recommend looking into either a Mac Pro (if you can afford it) or an iMac. I've been doing a ton of research, as it's about time for me to buy my new work horse, and I'm considering the Mac Pro. The only issue there is whether Apple is supporting it.
Anyway, good luck with the music!
I to think that the new MacBook Pros will keep the RJ-45 Gigabit Ethernet port because most businesses still do hardwired networking using Ethernet connections.
Thank you for your support.
I said "Apple has shipped some notoriously slow USB stacks", and you responded with more than 8 year old info that show how bad Apple was.
Could be anywhere from same day for pre-orders to several months.
My best guess, (based on iPad 3) is online orders will be available same day, with product in stores (and first delivery of pre-orders) a couple of weeks later.
And this could depend on country as well. The roll-out could be in stages. However this is a much smaller release than a new iPad or iPhone
oh im so anxious i just need help twiddling my thumbs till 2012 release
what do i do till then
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i want a floppy disk in my new2012 macbook pro
lol
Hahaha, very funny. I would like you to keep your humor when you are on a podium for a speech or a presentation and you need to hook up to an Ethernet port and you are trying to find that dongle you left in the hotel room.
you arent going to see many corporate IT departments adopting laptops that require external adapters to interface with ethernet.
For one it kind of renders stickyports useless if I can pinch the MAC address of anyones computer by grabbing a non locking adapter that fits in a shirt pocket.
This also will blow for people in marketing, graphics, post and edit departments that will want to access corporate networks while also accessing their large portable media devices.
Hey I am trying to get my whole division onto more MAc laptops because I enjoy supporting those boxes. But honestly I have to reconcile my budget with VP's and corporate head office people, so it will end up being HP's ugly slabs of boring (that are a PITA).