I was talking about the cheapest 13" MBA which is $100 more expensive than the cheapest 13" MBP. Thus why would people buy the 13" MBA over the 13" MBP? It can't be price.
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But a FW800 to Ethernet bridge would be slower than GBit Ethernet.
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Well, I would be doing that. Main reason for going for an MBP is that I need portability to play live. It doesn't seem to be an issue for most artists I've seen live and collaborated with.
I have the early 2011 MBP, 2.0GHz. It's awesome for music production, but the fans can be a factor. However, the fan problem varies from DAW to DAW. For example, Pro Tools 9 gets my MBP fans revved up almost immediately. The session can be in it's infancy, and the fans are already borderline intrusive. Studio One 2 on the other hand, is much more efficient with the CPU, and I need to really build a large session before the fan noise becomes intrusive.
My concerns with an even thinner MacBook Pro is obviously heat, and the possibility of fans being even more sonically intrusive. Unless Ivy Bridge is MUCH more efficient than Sandy Bridge. I guess that remains to be seen though.
Which DAW software did you plan on using?
Inconsequential
macrumors 68000
Portability is inversely proportional to performance.
You can't have quad cores with dedicated GPUs in the MBA, and the MBP gets pretty bloody hot as it is.
Yes yes IB has improved performance per watt, etc etc etc but people will be annoyed that Apple put in a lower spec CPU and GPU just because of thermal limits.
As I said before, performance AND portability you can't have.
jacktorrance
macrumors regular
No, we're arguing about a device that is going to become MORE portable due to its rumoured reduction in thickness - the basis of this whole thread.
What I didn't say is that I expect the performance of my 17" MacBook Pro in the body of a MacBook Air.
So, following the logical conclusion of your point, if the new line of MacBook Pros are to be thinner should we expect a reduction in performance?
Not likely.
With ableton live, on the latest 13" model, there's another problem:
it's very cpu efficient, but the gpu usage is more problematic, on external monitor it almost always kicks in (because of live interface gpu usage), on internal nothing under 40-50% cpu, which is already quite a heavy session with the latest processor. never heard a sound with protools on the other hand. and video work gets you the immediate Jet engine.
Now that you mention it, sometimes just viewing Hi-def video fires up the jet engine.
Inconsequential
macrumors 68000
If Apple decide to use the 15% (give or take) drop in power for equal performance with respect to SB to enable smaller heatsinks, then there is the very good possibility of no performance increase at all.
HOWEVER:
A) MBP performance leaks show performance increase in line with that of the already released desktop counterparts.
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B) IB QM parts are same TDP as SB TDP parts.
That we can assume that the cooling abilities of the new MBP are inline with that of the current machine. So the options Apple has is:
A) Not make it thinner near the back (taper to front ala MBA).
B) Not make it thinner period.
C) Use the space saved from no optical drive for heatsink space.
I'll be interested to what they do.
Although currently i'm more interested what happens to the Mac Pro...
More than enough people are glad to not have the ethernet and superdrives and FireWire .. i disagree... Their products are sold worldwide including 3rd world countries where usually businesses or high income families can afford a Wi-Fi box.. or an external drive or even the adapter made by apple for firewire connections. Is this not a macbook pro? Wasnt the MacAir designed to not have those features... Is this a conspiracy on behalf of apple to amp their income based on the adapters? Please keep the MBP the way it is... Thats why it's a MACBOOK PRO and NOT a MBA. Maybe they should implement choices or personal configurations that would add up to a reasonable cost.. you might state about the 3rd world countries someThing negative but i have to say, theres a market everywhere you just have to accommodate .. and people there purchase apple products,,,, alot! If they make it type AIR i hope they can atleast implement more USB ports, for those direct connections that can not be through an external multiple usb port device. Anyways, if you dont like the superdrive then update the air if you are looking for a somilar or something close to the PRO.. Apple keep it real. Make two versions or the availabilty to choose to configire your needs on you MacPro with the superdrive or FireWire or what ever you feel will make this into a mechanical fashion model. Anorexic macs.....
MattInOz
macrumors 68030
Yes but new low power FW1600 chips came on to the market recently.
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Historically Apple builds to US price points.
Rumors of a price bump should be taken with a grain of salt, they generally use saving in other areas to give themselves room to up spec.
Well unless your out the US then yes with the dollars recovery recently there will be price bumps in some markets.
laurim
macrumors 68000
1. Someone in a 3rd world country who can't afford a basic airport station can't afford a MacBookPro either.
2. Since when does Apple cater to everyone's needs? They decide where the industry is headed and WE adapt and eventually find out Apple is right. Some people are quicker to adapt than others.
So the purpose to slim down the pro is to simplify your life.... Well I'm sure the adaptors don't weigh much yet they are an external device that costs 29+tax and can be lost and if you need 2 adapter ($60×2=120+tax and so on) and they take up space in your bag and can also be forgotten anywhere which won't help much if you need them for a presentation. Keep the pro pro. So home gains have losses and some losses have gains.
SeaFox
macrumors 68030
Having to buy all your accessories separately is the mark of a product reaching to the bottom of the market and trying to make up it's revenue with add-on sales. If Apple really feels the need to remove every normal, standardized, works-with-the-rest-of-the-world port from their machines then for the price premium customers pay for the Apple brand they should get adapters for all those custom ports included in the box with the laptop.I find that it is generally not a very good idea to expect to pay a certain amount for an electronic product and think it is the end of that. If anything, it is really only the start of your purchasing spree. You will then want a case, accessories, software etc, so be sure to budget some extra cash for that as well.
doelcm82
macrumors 68040
They will simplify my life, because I don't need them.
The problem with "keep the pro pro" is the false implication that "pro" means "having an ethernet port and a dvd drive built in".
Most people (even professional people) don't need the ethernet port or the optical drive at all. It makes sense to me to make those features optional accessories. Even those who do need them don't need them all the time.
yusukeaoki
macrumors 68030
Is it time for disappearance of the ODD!?
doelcm82
macrumors 68040
Apple has realized (even if you haven't) that using the ethernet port is no longer a "normal" thing to do. It's a requirement for a few, but most people use wireless.
I predict that when the new MBP is released, many people will pay for the ethernet and optical disk accessories (because they think they might need them sometime) and those accessories will arrive in the box when UPS delivers the order. But a year or two down the line, when they order the next MBP, the accessories they bought this year will still work with the new machine, so there will be no need to pay again for the accessory.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
ODDs aren't going anywhere except moving a few inches towards the outside of laptop cases.
They're becoming accessories more than features.
Rocketman
macrumors 603
I have suggested a single dongle have three port styles, say Ethernet, Firewire 400 and Firewire 800 for example through Thunderbolt. DVI, HDMI, VGA through Thundrbolt. Dual or triple HDMI through Thunderbolt. The problem seems to be daisy chain formats and limits so it helps if a single dongle has more than one purpose. Since wired things imply some sort of compromise is perfectly reasonable, it could even be something akin to an Apple TV box that has a half dozen ports and even an internal accessory like a HD or a GPU!.
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SeaFox
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You have a citation for "most people"?
Fact: The majority of cable modem and DSL routers use Ethernet as their primary connection interface. USB is being phased out because it was a kludge addition to begin with and USB 2.0 isn't fast enough for higher end DOCSIS 3.0-based services. Edit: and USB drivers are usually only available for Windows anyway.
Fact: The majority of residential ISP's don't support routers... at all, and will make you bypass your router for troubleshooting purposes. A PC that does not have Ethernet connectivity is generally considered an "unsupported system".
Fact: Most professional offices do not run on Wi-Fi for reliability, speed, and security reasons.
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KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
DOCSIS 3.0 based services at higher than 480 mbps ?
USB 2.0 is being phased out because it's a host based technology and consumers are more and more moving towards home networks rather than single computers. There is just no need for a USB 2.0 CPE, as it is much harder to share amongst many points as a gateway. Don't be confused.
And the fact that Cable modems and DSL routers use Ethernet means nothing. They won't be plugging into your Mac anyhow. Again, because of what I said previously : people more and more have home networks.
Macs support Ethernet with or without a built-in Ethernet port. It's built into the OS. It supports all the underlying protocols required. You just need a NIC. That NIC can be built-in or be an external device that connects to the Mac using an existing interface like USB or Thunderbolt or what have you.
And again, offices don't require that the Ethernet port be built-in to your laptop.
1.I just moved to a 3rd world country and at some point I thought the same. Prices here are jacked by like $500.00 on the pro series and people still buy the MBP but they use credit with monthly payments and the point is not can they actually afford it but it's about keeping the pro pro and simplifying the way the pro has been doing it. The pro is a revd up machine with features that the Air doesn't have so it's like calling your self a lawyer when you are a paralegal. And yes they can afford it, there's something called credit cards.
2. You sound like You are easily influence by shiny stuff and are waiting to jump off the bridge once it becomes a fashion trend. We don't have to move in that direction.. I can say I trust a Mac over a pc any day 100% but it's clear that only easily persuaded minds give a lot of use to the word adapt. We can have a discussion on youR "adapt"... And right how compared to what? You make apple sound as the product of perfection and your self as a follower with no objections. It's for the people that don't adapt to everything that we don't have just Macs or Pc or just Linux. You sound like some one who would trade your lawyer licence to become a paralegal.
The pro is no longer a pro if it's not ready to service the trade it was originally designed for, anorexic Mac pro is now a Mac air.
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Up to an extent I concur with you but a pro should be equipped in any case. Apple is looking to rip off those that need. And the pro doesn't mean"having an ethernet port and a dvd drive built in" it means that it is equipped and ready for any situation necessary... . I might just have to get the Mac that's out now.
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