Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate

[I7guy]

No, comparing nurses who are hesitant in taking a new shot to a fire fighter who watches a house burn down is closer. Vaccines are just drugs that confer some degree of immunity, but go on and tell me about false equivalencies.

Right. And good point that some immunity in fighting a covid infection is better than no immunity. That vaccinated people can get a covid infection is not the point. It allows the body better defenses in fighting the virus, reduces the risk of hospitalization. That a majority of people dying in hospitals from covid are not vaccinated, should tell one all they need to know.

And by the way:

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19

New data point toward high COVID-19 vaccine confidence among practicing physicians.

www.ama-assn.org

So you are correct in the "some" doctors have eschewed the vaccine.

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

Right. And good point that some immunity in fighting a covid infection is better than no immunity. That vaccinated people can get a covid infection is not the point. It allows the body better defenses in fighting the virus, reduces the risk of hospitalization. That a majority of people dying in hospitals from covid are not vaccinated, should tell one all they need to know.

And by the way:

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19

New data point toward high COVID-19 vaccine confidence among practicing physicians.

www.ama-assn.org

So you are correct in the "some" doctors have eschewed the vaccine.

You are talking about the vaccine preventing severe illness and death and even that protection wanes. Most healthcare providers, myself included, were vaccinated in Jan/Feb. Our protection has decreased, but the mandates don't have a requirement for boosters.

I'm talking about transmission. Which is my point that everyone, vaccinated or not, should be tested. To say get the shot or test daily ignores the fact that break through cases are increasing, that vaccinated people can transmit the virus, which is why the CDC did a 180 from "if you're vaccinated you don't have to wear a mask in June" to "Regardless of vaccine status, masks are recommended".

 

[nathansz]

Look like Gov Newsom hasn’t been seen since his 3rd booster shot.

Commenting on the situation, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., chairman of Children’s Health Defense, today said he “prays for Newsom’s family” and wishes him a quick recovery.
Kennedy added:

“However, if it’s true the governor has suffered debilitating neurological injuries following vaccination, it raises grave ethical questions about his seemingly dishonest efforts to conceal his injuries while implementing aggressive policies to force the children and working people of California to endure similar risks.”

https://archive.md/XAh8g

you must have been relieved to find out he is in perfect health having spoken at an event today and attended a wedding on the weekend

 

[I7guy]

You are talking about the vaccine preventing severe illness and death and even that protection wanes. Most healthcare providers, myself included, were vaccinated in Jan/Feb. Our protection has decreased, but the mandates don't have a requirement for boosters.

I'm talking about transmission. Which is my point that everyone, vaccinated or not, should be tested. To say get the shot or test daily ignores the fact that break through cases are increasing, that vaccinated people can transmit the virus, which is why the CDC did a 180 from "if you're vaccinated you don't have to wear a mask in June" to "Regardless of vaccine status, masks are recommended".

To the point of transmission, I think it's inevitable that we all will get covid some point, just like we get a cold or the flu. I hope that the vaccination does it's work and when I get covid it's nothing more serious than a common cold. I do have some antigen tests at home in case I have covid symptoms I can test myself. Those that eschew the vaccine I hope when or if they get covid they make it through the other side as safe as can be.

 

[seadragon]

Look like Gov Newsom hasn’t been seen since his 3rd booster shot.

Commenting on the situation, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., chairman of Children’s Health Defense, today said he “prays for Newsom’s family” and wishes him a quick recovery.
Kennedy added:

“However, if it’s true the governor has suffered debilitating neurological injuries following vaccination, it raises grave ethical questions about his seemingly dishonest efforts to conceal his injuries while implementing aggressive policies to force the children and working people of California to endure similar risks.”

https://archive.md/XAh8g

@Amacfa

“It’s a rumor that appears to have started with assorted anonymous social media accounts, only to be picked up by various political personalities with large social media followings and the mainstream media, apparently inspired by his last-minute cancellation of a scheduled appearance at the United Nations climate summit.

As the rumor spread online on Nov. 7 and 8, some suggested Newsom was smote by God (or words to that effect) for his liberal policies. Those holding fast to anti-vaccine beliefs speculated he had become seriously ill with “Bell’s Palsy or Guillain-Barre Syndrome” after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot.”

No, Gavin Newsom Isn't 'Missing'

Everybody be cool.

www.snopes.com

 

[nathansz]

@Amacfa

“It’s a rumor that appears to have started with assorted anonymous social media accounts, only to be picked up by various political personalities with large social media followings and the mainstream media, apparently inspired by his last-minute cancellation of a scheduled appearance at the United Nations climate summit.

As the rumor spread online on Nov. 7 and 8, some suggested Newsom was smote by God (or words to that effect) for his liberal policies. Those holding fast to anti-vaccine beliefs speculated he had become seriously ill with “Bell’s Palsy or Guillain-Barre Syndrome” after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot.”

No, Gavin Newsom Isn't 'Missing'

Everybody be cool.

www.snopes.com

this is an excellent example of how the anti-vaccine, anti-mask, covid is fake conspiracy theory creators will simply make something up and then swirl that lie around a few websites and soclal media accounts that use only each other as sources until their followers, including some people here, will take the fiction to be true fact

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

To the point of transmission, I think it's inevitable that we all will get covid some point, just like we get a cold or the flu. I hope that the vaccination does it's work and when I get covid it's nothing more serious than a common cold. I do have some antigen tests at home in case I have covid symptoms I can test myself. Those that eschew the vaccine I hope when or if they get covid they make it through the other side as safe as can be.

As do I, I believe it is inevitable that we will at some point in time contract the virus. Some will get sicker than others, some will be totally asymptomatic. We are so far beyond "stop the spread" and "bend the curve". This notion that we must separate the vaccinated from the unvaccinated and treat one group as if they can't become a problem, while the other continues to get ridiculed is asinine. At this point the vaccine protects you from becoming seriously ill, that's it.

My ultimate fear in all of this, because it has become so politicized, is that we will see an under-reporting of breakthrough cases in the US for nothing more than it prevent giving the unvaccinated crowd any ammunition. These vaccines are far from perfect, but to even have a public discussion about it "Promotes vaccine hesitancy". That in and of itself will cause distrust. Because if the only correct actions "Shut up and take the jab, don't ask questions", you can't fault any person with reservations (I'm not talking about the people who think Bill Gates is trying to microchip them). Right now all anyone is concerned with is planting their flag on either side of the line and calling the other side names.

Every household in the US should have rapid antigen testing in the home. Considering these new drugs coming down the pipeline that require taking them within 3-5 days, you can't wait for a PCR test. At his point the only thing that matters is whether someone is infectious. I had a colleague test positive for 6 weeks on a PCR, I guarantee you she was only infections for 3-5days of that time.

 

[A MacBook lover]

@Amacfa

“It’s a rumor that appears to have started with assorted anonymous social media accounts, only to be picked up by various political personalities with large social media followings and the mainstream media, apparently inspired by his last-minute cancellation of a scheduled appearance at the United Nations climate summit.

As the rumor spread online on Nov. 7 and 8, some suggested Newsom was smote by God (or words to that effect) for his liberal policies. Those holding fast to anti-vaccine beliefs speculated he had become seriously ill with “Bell’s Palsy or Guillain-Barre Syndrome” after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot.”

No, Gavin Newsom Isn't 'Missing'

Everybody be cool.

www.snopes.com

Thank you, I like the be proven wrong

 

[Nicole1980]

Taking away the freedoms such as political choice, movement, employment and participation in social life is fascism no matter what the reason for doing do.

Ok I will play your game. Where did I say anything about drunk driving or murder? Are you assuming?
At the same time drunk driver probably still believes that he has a freedom to drink and drive. OJ Simpson still thinks that he has a freedom to get away with a murder. So nobody is taking away the kind of freedoms that you are talking about.

You better be pro-choice when it comes to abortion, if not, you’re not being consistent.

 

[Flight Plan]

You better be pro-choice when it comes to abortion, if not, you’re not being consistent.

Well, here's another perspective.

I just don't want to have to pay for somebody else's abortion. I'm not going to march against you if you want to be able to do that or let your child do that. I'm not going to picket against you. I'm not even going to pressure my representatives to make laws against it. It's your soul at stake, which makes it your choice; not mine.

But if I am forced to pay for it in any way, then it entangles me in a moral morass that I don't give consent to.

In the US, I am being forced to pay for it. That's a fact. My income taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes, all of which I pay, are used to promote and offer abortions.

All of this is against my consent. Yet it continues to be done to me under threat of losing my property, freedom, or even my life. If you don't pay your property taxes, they will take your house. If you don't pay your income or sales taxes, they will jail you. If you don't pay the tax on your insurance, electric, gas, cable, or phone bills, they will cancel your insurance or shut off your service, raising your risk for inconvenience, catastrophe, or even death.

So under these threats, I pay my taxes. Under protest, I pay anywhere from $30,000 to $70,000 each year in all taxes, including property, income, sales, hotel, electric, phone, gas, toll road, and other taxes. And just about EVERY tax I pay funnels some money into the promotion and reimbursement of abortion services. Some other money is just GIVEN to people without requiring that they provide a service or product in exchange. I also don't consent to that, but that's another topic for another day.

It all comes down to this: I'm happy to leave you alone and not steal from you. But the social contract SHOULD BE that you leave me alone in return. Fair is fair, right?

Just in case I wasn't clear, I don't consent.

 

[Nicole1980]

Well, here's another perspective.

I just don't want to have to pay for somebody else's abortion. I'm not going to march against you if you want to be able to do that or let your child do that. I'm not going to picket against you. I'm not even going to pressure my representatives to make laws against it. It's your soul at stake, which makes it your choice; not mine.

But if I am forced to pay for it in any way, then it entangles me in a moral morass that I don't give consent to.

In the US, I am being forced to pay for it. That's a fact. My income taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes, all of which I pay, are used to promote and offer abortions.

All of this is against my consent. Yet it continues to be done to me under threat of losing my property, freedom, or even my life. If you don't pay your property taxes, they will take your house. If you don't pay your income or sales taxes, they will jail you. If you don't pay the tax on your insurance, electric, gas, cable, or phone bills, they will cancel your insurance or shut off your service, raising your risk for inconvenience, catastrophe, or even death.

So under these threats, I pay my taxes. Under protest, I pay anywhere from $30,000 to $70,000 each year in all taxes, including property, income, sales, hotel, electric, phone, gas, toll road, and other taxes. And just about EVERY tax I pay funnels some money into the promotion and reimbursement of abortion services. Some other money is just GIVEN to people without requiring that they provide a service or product in exchange. I also don't consent to that, but that's another topic for another day.

It all comes down to this: I'm happy to leave you alone and not steal from you. But the social contract SHOULD BE that you leave me alone in return. Fair is fair, right?

Just in case I wasn't clear, I don't consent.

You're argument is rubbish for this simple reason: Theres a huge number of things our taxes pay for and everyone can make their own personal list of the things they dont think they're taxes should go to, but they do.

So by your logic, everyone in the country should ge able to make their own personal list of where exactly their taxes do, or don’t go. Obviously that would be a logistical nightmare, and just plain stupid.

For you, its planned parenthood for others, its the police. The list is endless.

So you want to cherry pick exactly what your taxes do and dont pay for. Join the club ... and - good luck with that.

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

Well, here's another perspective.

I just don't want to have to pay for somebody else's abortion. I'm not going to march against you if you want to be able to do that or let your child do that. I'm not going to picket against you. I'm not even going to pressure my representatives to make laws against it. It's your soul at stake, which makes it your choice; not mine.

But if I am forced to pay for it in any way, then it entangles me in a moral morass that I don't give consent to.

In the US, I am being forced to pay for it. That's a fact. My income taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes, all of which I pay, are used to promote and offer abortions.

All of this is against my consent. Yet it continues to be done to me under threat of losing my property, freedom, or even my life. If you don't pay your property taxes, they will take your house. If you don't pay your income or sales taxes, they will jail you. If you don't pay the tax on your insurance, electric, gas, cable, or phone bills, they will cancel your insurance or shut off your service, raising your risk for inconvenience, catastrophe, or even death.

So under these threats, I pay my taxes. Under protest, I pay anywhere from $30,000 to $70,000 each year in all taxes, including property, income, sales, hotel, electric, phone, gas, toll road, and other taxes. And just about EVERY tax I pay funnels some money into the promotion and reimbursement of abortion services. Some other money is just GIVEN to people without requiring that they provide a service or product in exchange. I also don't consent to that, but that's another topic for another day.

It all comes down to this: I'm happy to leave you alone and not steal from you. But the social contract SHOULD BE that you leave me alone in return. Fair is fair, right?

Just in case I wasn't clear, I don't consent.

The problem is some people don't like tanks, or multimillion dollar air planes. This is why we have elections. If the candidate you support wins and their party controls the levers of power, your taxes will most likely go to things you believe in. For those who's party lost, they will see their taxes go to things they don't consent to.

That's just the way it goes in a representative democracy.

 

[cbautis2]

You are talking about the vaccine preventing severe illness and death and even that protection wanes. Most healthcare providers, myself included, were vaccinated in Jan/Feb. Our protection has decreased, but the mandates don't have a requirement for boosters.

I'm talking about transmission. Which is my point that everyone, vaccinated or not, should be tested. To say get the shot or test daily ignores the fact that break through cases are increasing, that vaccinated people can transmit the virus, which is why the CDC did a 180 from "if you're vaccinated you don't have to wear a mask in June" to "Regardless of vaccine status, masks are recommended".

At this point, vaccination including those perpetual seasonal boosters are definitely NOT served as a protection (since you can transmit Covid regardless of vaccination, including booster anyways), but rather pretty much a passport to get access to the society/rest of the world

 

[I7guy]

At this point, vaccination including those perpetual seasonal boosters are definitely NOT served as a protection (since you can transmit Covid regardless of vaccination, including booster anyways), but rather pretty much a passport to get access to the society/rest of the world

The “protection“ is for the vaccinated individual since there is clear evidence most Covid deaths in hospitals are with the unvaccinated.

There is no reason for most healthy individuals not to get vaccinated.

 

[WeatherWeasel]

I find it humorous that people will buy all sorts of health foods, fake meat, powders, lotions, medicines,creams, weight loss products, and yet refuse to get the covid vaccines or wear a mask or even tolerate those who do get a vaccination and do wear a mask.

 

[cbautis2]

The “protection“ is for the vaccinated individual since there is clear evidence most Covid deaths in hospitals are with the unvaccinated.

There is no reason for most healthy individuals not to get vaccinated.

Not arguing whether people want to vaccinate or not, just stating the fact (not opinion but a fact) that vaccinated or not you can contract and get infected and potentially (emphasize potential not guaranteed/likely) end up with serious symptoms regardless of whether you jab or not. From that point of view, the jab is just essentially a passport to gain access to what the rest of the world offers. Now if the jab is just as reliable as those from the well developed ones like the rubella vaccine, then I won’t consider the jab as just a passport but a marvel in science indeed, and not politically motivated with the use of a passport to divide society

 

[JahBoolean]

Can someone give me a refresher on why people make such a big fuss about getting vaccinated ?

Got vaccinated last year and hardly noticed Covid was even still going on (I did wear masks pre-pandemic anyways)..

 

[JahBoolean]

Not arguing whether people want to vaccinate or not, just stating the fact (not opinion but a fact) that vaccinated or not you can contract and get infected and potentially (emphasize potential not guaranteed/likely) end up with serious symptoms regardless of whether you jab or not. From that point of view, the jab is just essentially a passport to gain access to what the rest of the world offers. Now if the jab is just as reliable as those from the well developed ones like the rubella vaccine, then I won’t consider the jab as just a passport but a marvel in science indeed, and not politically motivated with the use of a passport to divide society

Stop making everything political.

1.You get vaccinated to lessen the burden of an infection on your immune system.

2.You practice social distancing/hygene + wear a mask to lessen the risk of infection.

What is so hard to grasp ?

 

[cbautis2]

Stop making everything political.

This thread is under “Political News” NOT “Science News”

 

[JahBoolean]

This thread is under “Political News” NOT “Science News”

Touché

 

[cbautis2]

Stop making everything political.

1.You get vaccinated to lessen the burden of an infection on your immune system.

2.You practice social distancing/hygene + wear a mask to lessen the risk of infection.

What is so hard to grasp ?

1.) It is NOT guaranteed (key word) that you lessen the burden of an infection when you get a jab. If it indeed ELIMINATES Covid 19 just like the Rubella, then people wouldn’t be so political about the jab IMHO

2.) You DO NOT need to get a jab to practice those

 

[JahBoolean]

1.) It is NOT guaranteed (key word) that you lessen the burden of an infection when you get a jab. If it indeed ELIMINATES Covid 19 just like the Rubella, then people wouldn’t be so political about the jab IMHO

2.) You DO NOT need to get a jab to practice those

Nothing in medicine is absolute.

1.Rubella vaccines are not 100% effective (97% is the figure shown on the cdc website[https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/vaccination.html]). If anything it's the ubiquity of vaccination against rubella that helped "eradicate" the disease.

2.I'd bet a fair wager that there is a strong correlation between seeing the benefit of vaccination and a more orthodox application of the practices described in .2).

 

[I7guy]

Not arguing whether people want to vaccinate or not, just stating the fact (not opinion but a fact) that vaccinated or not you can contract and get infected and potentially (emphasize potential not guaranteed/likely) end up with serious symptoms regardless of whether you jab or not.

Another fact is the stats show deaths in hospitals from Covid are mostly from non-vaccinated.

From that point of view, the jab is just essentially a passport to gain access to what the rest of the world offers.

The jab is essentially a way to reduce the severity of Covid, potentially having your body fight the disease faster than non-vaxxed . Probably why non-vaxxed are being excluded.

Now if the jab is just as reliable as those from the well developed ones like the rubella vaccine, then I won’t consider the jab as just a passport but a marvel in science indeed, and not politically motivated with the use of a passport to divide society

It is a marvel if medicine, as there seems to be stats to show deaths among vaccinated individuals individuals are decoupled from getting Covid. Ie survival rates seem to be good amongst those who get a breakthrough infection and survive.

 

[WeatherWeasel]

It is really simple, you can't work at Apple if you don't vaccinate. People are a dime a dozen in the techie world, they can be replaced. No one is non-replaceable. If Apple says get the shot and prove it, and they do not do it, it is insubordination and grounds for firing. Plain and simple.

Thus endeth the lesson.

 

[seadragon]

It is really simple, you can't work at Apple if you don't vaccinate. People are a dime a dozen in the techie world, they can be replaced. No one is non-replaceable. If Apple says get the shot and prove it, and they do not do it, it is insubordination and grounds for firing. Plain and simple.

Thus endeth the lesson.

So let it be written, so let it be done!