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Re: Good idea

Originally posted by fatfish
Well what a damn good idea.

I'm certain apple will do it right. Of course there will be DRM of sorts, only people who steal can see this as a problem.

I disagree. DMR has yet to get to where it needs to be. Software is less of a sticky mess since you typically buy a certian number of licenses, but if we just start blindly accepting the restirctions with the idea that "the Man" knows best and is in no way out to get us, we will be bent over.

Kinda off topic I know....
 
Great idea

but it dose need a seprate tab like so many have said before me ..

and nothing wrong with boxed versions either
 
I disagree. DMR has yet to get to where it needs to be. Software is less of a sticky mess since you typically buy a certian number of licenses, but if we just start blindly accepting the restirctions with the idea that "the Man" knows best and is in no way out to get us, we will be bent over.

Give over, many companies already update free over the internet, update for a charge over the internet and sell software over the internet.

It all works very well, I don't see they have us bent over. The only problem is, one has to search for these updates at present, it would be great to have them all in one place, or even better one app that searched in the background once a week.

You can do this to a fashion with versiontracker already, so why the big deal with apple.
 
Originally posted by ITR 81
I think they will still do both. Right now they are just giving the end users more options.

This is what worries me. If you can only get your software (both apple and 3rd party) through the software update, what will you do when you have to re-install all your software after a harddisk crash?

They will need to offer a easy way to backup your software updates/purchases on CD.

Also, they may at first offer both options (download and purchase a cd) but in the future you may be required to always have access to the net to be able to update your software. I don’t think this is a practical way of doing things.
 
Originally posted by ITR 81
I doubt you will find many OS without them asking you to upgrade this and that.

Almost all known software asks you to upgrade it from time to time.

If your using a computer your using a commercialized product.

If you had it your way Apple wouldn't be able to even put it's www. site on their.
Thats to extreme and would end up hurting Apple then helping it.

Extremism of this type hurts everything and has never lead to anything good.

I think it's a good idea. As it's not spam when you have the products on your computer to begin with. Also I rather cut out the middle man then have to pay extra for a d*mn box and printed materials.

Ok, what part of my post didn't you read?

Oh, I know! It was the part where I said:
Free updates to third party apps I have installed is a different matter-- and a move I would welcome.

None of what I was saying was about updates. It was about mixing sales with updates.

If you'd get off your horse for a second and read my comments rather than blindly taking them as a Luddite assault, you'd realize what I'm arguing is hardly extreme.

I specifically said I thought the www method was the better way to go-- so if I had my way Apple certainly would have their website.

Yes, my computer is a commercial product, but one that I've paid for running software that I paid for. If the $129 I paid for Panther doesn't cover the cost, raise the price. If there's a demand for ad subsidized software, then by all means provide that as an option-- but don't expect me to buy it.

My sofa is a commercial product but it doesn't interrupt me when I sit down to tell me about the great ottoman I could buy.

Personally I think Quicktime coming up and asking you to buy the pro edition either now or later hurts Apple and their users. It makes their product a pain to use, likely making it less used, and it tarnishes Apple's reputation for being a company above using annoyance as a sales technique.

Conversely, I think providing an electronic retail outlet would improve Apple's image and give folks without an Apple store or some other equivalent in their geographical vicinity a way of getting more from their Macs. Just do it a different way.

Don't stick it in my face when I'm trying to get work done, or make using the product more of a hassle than it's worth.

I'm tired of being bombarded by advertisements at every turn-- and I don't think there's anything extreme about that view. It think it's the reason people don't "register" the products they buy any more-- they know what happens if they do.

I think periodic OS updates are an important thing to encourage for security reasons if nothing else. Anything that discourages a user from doing so is a bad policy, in my mind. If you look at the problems Windows has, among the biggest is people not patching known vulnerabilities.

This is a discussion of what a string buried in a preference file means, for god's sake. There's a number of ideas floating around about what Apple could do with Software Update and I'm simply making a modest statement about what I would prefer.


As I stated clearly and up front:
There's obviously people here with different opinions on this, and I may be more sensitive to this than most...

I think I can safely count you among those people...
 
Re: Good idea

Originally posted by fatfish
Well what a damn good idea.

I'm certain apple will do it right. Of course there will be DRM of sorts, only people who steal can see this as a problem.

I think your blanket statement about who will see a problem is a little off.

If you look at what's happening in the music world, there are a lot of ways of implementing DRM, some of which are a major pain for people who don't steal. CD's that can't get ripped into MP3 players, for example.

Or look at what Intuit did (and got hammered for) with the Windows version of Turbo Tax.

On the music front, I think Apple's done it right and I, like you, think they'd do it right here too.

The wild card here is that this is 3rd party software. Apple may not control it.
 
Originally posted by ITR 81
I think they will still do both. Right now they are just giving the end users more options.

This is what worries me. If you can only get your software (both apple and 3rd party) through the software update, what will you do when you have to re-install all your software after a harddisk crash?

They will need to offer a easy way to backup your software updates/purchases on CD.

Also, they may at first offer both options (download and purchase a cd) but in the future you may be required to always have access to the net to be able to update your software. I don’t think this is a practical way of doing things.
 
Looking at the original rumor again, it could be that this is just another integration with .Mac-- not a general store.

This would make life a little more manageable-- there's only a handful of offerings.

I'd still prefer it be separate. Let Software Update update software, and give me another route to see what goodies I get through .Mac.

I usually get an email from Apple pointing me to the .Mac site for downloads anyway...
 
Bad idea

Ok, so in addition to Software update coming up every few days to advise me about applications I have that need updating, this is also going to cause it to come up about applications I don't want or need.

No thank you! A seperate app, that one can run periodically, I can understand, but this shouldn't be part of Software Update. Maybe having it as a menu option on Safari might work. The Safari Software Store... that has potential.
 
Re: Bad idea

Originally posted by peharri
Ok, so in addition to Software update coming up every few days to advise me about applications I have that need updating, this is also going to cause it to come up about applications I don't want or need.

No thank you! A seperate app, that one can run periodically, I can understand, but this shouldn't be part of Software Update. Maybe having it as a menu option on Safari might work. The Safari Software Store... that has potential.

amen to that! i already get enough f#%king spam trying to sell me ****. though this isn't a bad concept, this has to be done in a non-intrusive manner!
 
i keep rereading the rumor and only finding information regarding the ability to purchase. where is everyone getting the idea that unwanted advertising is involved?
 
Ok, so in addition to Software update coming up every few days to advise me about applications I have that need updating, this is also going to cause it to come up about applications I don't want or need.

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It really boils down to how you interpret the rumour. There are obviously some who assume that the option to purchase software, will mean a whole list of software products being shoved in your face.

I personally assume otherwise, this is a software update utility and I expect to see only available updates for software products already installed on my computer. Don't forget many of these will still need purchasing.

Anything else would simply be chaos. It wouldn't be an update utility at all, it has to work with packages already on your computer, if it didn't the same updates would just keep popping up.

At the very worst I think we might be taken to a "new additions" software page at the apple store, either by clicking a button or closing SU. But to have software you don't use pop up in an update utility, no way.
 
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