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Apple to Stop Providing Unit Sales Data for iPhone, iPad and Mac Starting With December Quarter
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I’m less inclined to read through all the comments these days because of this. In fact I’m not sure there a reason to be on the MacRumors site since Appleinsider and 9to5mac seem to have the same coverage.
I'd normally agree with this sentiment, but the MacRumors deity known as @AngerDanger frequently posts brilliant GIFs.
Like a loyal terrier, panting in anticipation and wagging its tail, I stay for his buttery goodness.
Wouldn’t 360 degrees make it a bell circle?
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Lol, I do agree there’s some gems tucked away in here. I’ll keep reading for now.
Angering Wall St's analysts did not go well for SnapChat, they continue to be punished for what they did. It's fine what Apple are doing but they have gone about it the wrong way.
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$99 for Music, TV, Movies and Apps (Devs are already being asked to move to subscription model) but I don't think it'll ever include hardware.
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$99 for Music, TV, Movies and Apps (Devs are already being asked to move to subscription model) but I don't think it'll ever include hardware.
Still too low. The iPhone Upgrade Program is already built around that model and annual charge is 50% iPhone cost + pro-rated AppleCare+. 64GB XS Max alone is $54/mo.
I’ve been using Mac for over 30 years, and I can echo that. I seriously want to switch to Pixel until I heard it doesn’t include a headphone jack. And I am really considering getting a Windows laptop for the first time just to run lightroom/photoshop when I am traveling. When Apple removes most ports and increase the price at the same time I really do not think there is a future for me on this platform.
Shorting stock is akin to gambling in my opinion. And I’m not sure what Snapchat does can compare to hat Apple does.
Wallstreet is likely the most frustrated and only real impacted by this news, but I can understand why they'd be frustrated by it.
The best way to predict value is to see sales volume. if you remove sales volume from their analytics, their job to predict becomes that much more difficult. Even to the point where Apple could potentially hide potential revenue problems until their actual financials are released.
for non investors though it's generally irrelevant.
But there is an iPhone so that last bit has not value in any discussion.
careful though, there was a point in time where they were doomed and were borderline going out of business. So don't ignore the doomsayers so easy. They're not likely right, but to ignore them outright is essentially what blackberry did...
Shares down 7% today on this news. A corp. that reduces the information reported in the financials almost always is trying to deflect and The Street is ruthless with such uncertainty. It sounds like Cook's tenure might be nearing the end.
I wouldn't go that far. As long as the actual revenue and profit numbers stay rosy.
they'll punish the stock, but in the end performance is still there for now.
that will be a different story if there's a turn around on the profit/revenues. Which MIGHT be why Tim made the move and he's just delaying the innevitable expectation from the next few quarters.
either way. Without the metrics, we've got one less tool for our analytics and thats going to make prediction even harder.
Yeah, it would be okay if Macs and iPads were ruled out but iPhone is the lion share of the earnings so it is a really good metric that investors will certainly miss.
The number isn't as critical to me, just threw it out there a sweet spot, but I would like a service like this.
You must be new here...
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You mean like they do already?
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Have a good time with the "Value" of that Android Phone (let alone TABLET!), or the resale value of the Windows computer (nevermind the baked-in Spyware!)
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So I don't get it:
Is Apple worth the "high price", or not. You have essentially argued both points, you realize, don't you?
By the way, what EVERYONE seems to forget is that there is a VAST DIFFERENCE between "Price" and "Value".
And, as you have yourself said "...the VALUE is definitely worth it,"
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I'd hardly characterize this as "Shenanigans".
Wrong.
They are a PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY. They have Quarterly and Annual Reporting REQUIREMENTS to the SEC. There are BIG TIME Penalties for not filing those reports on time without a VERY good reason (basically, on the order of: Your HQ burned down, and all records were lost. That MIGHT do it...).
So no, the Gummint ain't gonna cotton-to no "We're doing an Amazing Job".
And neither are the Stockholders.
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At least 12% of their Sales, are from Macs. And was it something like 20% are from "Services".
They don't have "All their eggs in one basket".
Give it a rest.
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Sez you.
Their valuation and bank accounts say otherwise.
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Then why are you wasting our and MR's time and bandwidth. If Apple has "lost you as a customer", then WHY ARE YOU STILL TROLLING THIS SITE?!?
The signal-to-noise ratio on this thread is nearly 1-to-100 now. Hating on Apple or blindly defending them really doesn't add to the discussion.
OK, so my 2 cents: I understand the move by Apple. They are trying to diversify the business a bit by increasing services revenue, growing the Mac and iPad user base, and pushing into wearables. With the smartphone market nearing saturation, they can grow revenue in other ways, but they can't keep growing iPhone numbers forever. We have seen them increase revenues in many areas.
The big investors see Apple as the iPhone company only. Apple needs to squelch that if they're going to continue growing in new areas. If investors bail out because iPhone unit numbers go down, they will lose out on capital they need to branch out into new product areas. Short-term, they had to know this would slam the stock price. In a year or two, this will prove to have been a smart move.
OK, so my 2 cents: I understand the move by Apple. They are trying to diversify the business a bit by increasing services revenue, growing the Mac and iPad user base, and pushing into wearables. With the smartphone market nearing saturation, they can grow revenue in other ways, but they can't keep growing iPhone numbers forever. We have seen them increase revenues in many areas.
The big investors see Apple as the iPhone company only. Apple needs to squelch that if they're going to continue growing in new areas. If investors bail out because iPhone unit numbers go down, they will lose out on capital they need to branch out into new product areas. Short-term, they had to know this would slam the stock price. In a year or two, this will prove to have been a smart move.
THEN WHY DO YOU INSIST ON TROLLING THIS SITE?!?
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Um, the Securities and Exchange Commission kinda STRONGLY takes exception to that tactic.
And believe me, they've seen it all...
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Are you serious?
There are literally MILLIONS of single-product companies.
Millions.
BTW, Apple isn't one of them.
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And you think the 2018 Mac mini and iPad Pro aren't Best-In-Class Products?
Show me another tablet that is even 50% of what the iPad Pro is.
Show me another cheaper computer the size of a Ham Sandwich that you can do Grid Computing on by just plugging them together on the same Network. BTW, before you try to haul out Intel NUCs to compare against the Mac mini, remember that they are pretty much the same price, and then you get, wait for it... Windows 10, Spyware Edition! Yeah, that's "Value" alright...
Gimme a break.
Pray tell, how is it that you think they are "growing the Mac"?
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The Pro license makes it a pretty good operating system, IMHO.
Of course that’s assuming iPhone is the only thing that can ever drive growth.
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Cook is not going anywhere and Wall Street will eventually get over it/used to it. The handwriting was on the wall when Apple never provided Watch sales and stopped providing weekend launch sales press releases. Wall Street should’ve been prepared for this day. Especially since the SEC doesn’t require disclosure of unit sales or average selling price.
I’m crafting my anti-Tim Cook strategy.
I just got a 12.9 iPad Pro from VERY old stock last month, and next month I’ll be going for a used iPhone X (when people start dumping them for the holidays). So my hard-earned dollars will not be going to their I’m Rich earnings report.
I’ve purchased MANY Apple products at launch (iPhones, Macs, Watches, iPads) but I simply won’t put up with this crap anymore.
Tim Cook said on NBC (?) that “it’s only $30-40-50 a month”, but in the end it’s $1100 going to Apple so they can sell me the electronic equivalent of re-heated pizza from yesterday. Sorry, no way.
I just got a 12.9 iPad Pro from VERY old stock last month, and next month I’ll be going for a used iPhone X (when people start dumping them for the holidays). So my hard-earned dollars will not be going to their I’m Rich earnings report.
I’ve purchased MANY Apple products at launch (iPhones, Macs, Watches, iPads) but I simply won’t put up with this crap anymore.
Tim Cook said on NBC (?) that “it’s only $30-40-50 a month”, but in the end it’s $1100 going to Apple so they can sell me the electronic equivalent of re-heated pizza from yesterday. Sorry, no way.
It probably will. Whoever sold you that iPad and iPhone will likely use the money earned to buy the newer models.
It probably will. Whoever sold you that iPad and iPhone will likely use the money earned to buy the newer models.
Ironic isn’t it. Even as they think they are sticking it to Apple by playing out some petty little rebellion, the reality is that Apple benefits either way.