I mean the price tag alone is a good clue, it’s nearly twice as expensive as the base mac studio.
Apple to Upgrade Vision Pro in Two Ways Later This Year
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Analog Kid
macrumors G3
How much lighter? I can't imagine the OLED film is all that heavy relative to the optics, processing, cooling and structural framing.
The front display gets a lot of grief in this world where we value people mostly by the snark they create, but it's a reasonable attempt at solving a real problem. These head mounted displays are isolating. The AVP lets the wearer see the world outside, but a blank faced Quest is still pretty off-putting to everyone else in the room. Sure, it's kind of deep in the uncanny valley, and feels a bit like you're talking to a scuba diver all the time, but it does give feedback and spares the user from having to keep putting on and removing the headset when someone else walks in. See through displays have a whole host of dynamic range problems that are better solved with pass-through video-- and I'm not letting anyone aim lasers at my retina to overcome that.
If you want gaming goggles, then that front display is probably not very useful. If you want a spatial computing device that begins to integrate into home and office life, then it's a problem worth working on. Apple rarely doubles back-- if they, like I, think this problem needs to be solved, it's unlikely they'll withdraw this solution before they find a better one. They may release a parallel de-featured version without it, but they're unlikely to remove it from the flagship and then bring it back after a gap. I can't think of a time they've done that with a feature.
uacd
macrumors 65816
Apple Watch 2.0. Isn’t it supposed to be a wearable standalone computer?
everlast3434
macrumors 6502
With all of the advances in pretty much everything, it'd be pretty crazy if that's all they upgraded in a V2 of AVP. I mean, where's the Space Black edition!? Now THAT would make me upgrade!
If they can manage to improve cameras for passthrough, FOV, M5 and resolution just a bit to keep current it would be great. I hope they can do more than just a chip and strap....
Analog Kid
macrumors G3
I'll be pretty disappointed if this turns out to be an M4.
I'll admit some of my feeling is based on expectations that the M5 is going to be a significant step up in AI performance. If that turns out to be the case, I feel like AVP can benefit more than most products from that improvement.
I'll admit some of my feeling is based on expectations that the M5 is going to be a significant step up in AI performance. If that turns out to be the case, I feel like AVP can benefit more than most products from that improvement.
Prepare for the usual Apple incremental upgrades........... I want a lot of things, but I expect Gurman to be right, as is typical Apple.
Graphate
macrumors regular
MacRumors finest.
bLackjackj
macrumors 65816
Apple is the Brother of St Lawrence when it comes to tech. It simply always repurposes left over stock,..sounds like a given that it would be M4 and not M5.
It's always saving money & shareholders first these days.
It's always saving money & shareholders first these days.
You can't have made it all the way here and not have been aware that an update is imminent. I decided this Summer to jump back in with VisionOS 26 and have been holding off for exactly that reason.
For anyone who's surprised that the original Vision Pro had an M2, it was heavily delayed on launch and that explains the chipset in that device.
The delay may have somewhat carried over to the second version and that's why we're only seeing it with an M4, which would be sad but logical.
There's no tactical consideration done here by Apple. They have to tape these out before production and they're not able to sync up the cycles with this brand new product line yet.
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lilkwarrior
macrumors 6502a
It’s the best prosumer headset in the market that has impacted several important prosumer markets and premium content providers to respect and accommodate spatial computing that they didn’t for other headers that didn’t even meet regular prosumer baselines.
Like Nvidia’s prosumer GPUs, there isn’t a serious alternative yet.
The device has also improved supply chains for all headsets
lilkwarrior
macrumors 6502a
…You can use the existing Vision Pro’s Mac Virtual Display mode for that. 21:9 and 32:9 support at that
I use it on my personal and enterprise Mac Pro and Macbooks daily this way
MacsRgr8
macrumors G3
That is wireless, correct?
Looking for TB connected, i.e. ability to use it without any lag directly to the Mac.
Agree. Which is why I’m good with avp m2. AI could be great integrated into this. Apple doesn’t have anything to implement. Needs a whole new OS.
Let’s be honest. Most of apples own apps haven’t been updated for this. And at this point I can see perhaps why. Needs a new OS.
Still this is the best vr experience so far. (And jphone still is the best phone imo). But for much better I’m not sure Apple can deliver that. Maybe Google. Or meta. Or OpenAI. Apple is stumbling around right now. And that’s a year after introducing Apple intelligence. And more years since they were panicking. Zero confidence here.
Off making silly movies like f1. Focusing on stupid crap like liquid glass ui. Only to reverse themselves in beta 3. Meanwhile meta is poaching their best ai talent.
lilkwarrior
macrumors 6502a
Vision Pro also can also already do that with the developer strap for very, very specific use cases having it.
Apple’s closed hardware ecosystem enables the Vision Pro to connect to Macs in a proprietary way using Wifi in addition to Bluetooth that explicitly accounts for lag.
I recommend trialing such a feature yourself to more objectively assess whether you need to connect to your Mac in a tethered way at all which has its drawbacks.
Happy_John
macrumors regular
Look at the bigger picture. Vision Pro was a very expensive R&D process, it wasn't expected to sell well, it didn't sell well, but the results of the R&D is already being repurposed and integrated into other product lines. The Lisa didn't sell well, the Next cube didn't sell well, the 12" MacBook was rightly dissed as being woefully underpowered, yet all these "crap and failure" products ended up being essential prototypes for very successful products ranges that evolved from them. The issue with the Vision Pro is not that it's "crap and a failure", it's that Apple sold a development kit but marketed it as a consumer device.
The M2 chip is not the problem of VisionPro and thus whichever bandaid M replaces it (M4 or M5) will add capabilities that the device will eventually benefit from (mesh shading and ray tracing and enhanced ML) but won’t make any difference in the shortfalls: weight, screen tech, OS capabilities. This is likely purely a business decision as M2 production is on the edge of ending. I am cautiously optimistic that the true v2 of the VisionPro will find a home with me.
How do you even justify product with Apple's poor plans? Besides, AR/VR itself is extremely niche.
Try not to be so obviously mad that Apple hasn't declared Vision Pro abandonware after 1-2 years. It's a nascent platform. It will take more time and iterations. It will probably stick around as long as Tim Cook does at the very least. I'm eager to see how it evolves.
btrach144
macrumors demi-god
Apple is getting run on right now by meta. Their problems are only going to grow IMO.
Happy_John
macrumors regular
Well, yes, it is niche, and there is a niche market for it. If you're not interested, no-one forcing you to buy it. SDo ignore it. I have no interest at all in buying one.
But R&D is worthwhile. The amount of patients Apple filed during the development process has itself a significant value as IP. And, as the example I gave, a lot of Apple's first gen products, even if they themselves are not particiularily popular, are not thrown in the bin by Apple. That would be wasteful. The technology gets repurposed.
The hand tracking technologies alone have value. These will be reused in other product ranges.
Remember that the tech industry was generally negative about the first iteration of the iPhone. See how that turned out. The original iPod's initial spark came from Steve Jobs looking at Firewire, a technology Apple had already developed, but wasn't using overly, and wondering how this technology could be exploited for other products. Apple bought almost all of Toshiba's 1.8" drives long before there was even a design for the iPod. The same drive made the initial MacBook Air possible.
The haptic trackpad was developed for the 12" MacBook. Now it is standard across all MacBooks. Audio improved significantly on all Apple devices after the 1st gen HomePod was developed - because they took what they developed in that project and applied it to other products.
Technology and IP gets reused. Irrespective of what happens to the Vision Pro as it is now, the results R&D itself has quite possibly already made the Vision Pro project worthwhile. I'd also guess that a lot of R&D done during the cancelled "Apple Car" project crossed over tot he Vision Pro, in terms of camera tracking. Product ranges are not hermetically sealed in their own little bubbles.
Looking at all of this, the Vision Pro project has not been a massive failure in the way that "Apple Intelligence" has been so far, even if the Vision Pro headset hasn't sold a massive number of units ( it was't necessarily expected to).
Marketing of the Visio Pro was problematic, purely because 1) until the Vision Pro, headsets = gaming, and Vision Pro was very deliberately not marketed as a gaming device and 2) there's the fundamental problem of headsets - it's very impressive technology, but for a lot of people, it doesn't really add anything significant over working with a big screen when sitting at a desk and just getting work done.
But none of that reduces the value of the technologies developed, which will be reused in other devices. AirPods for example.
Denying. that just because you don't like the current iteration of the product is a little bit blinkered.
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Rychiar
macrumors 68040
how can a $3500 device that toil hundreds of thousands of units be considered a flop?... no one was expecting more.
Selling consumer grade products at B2B price is already a huge failure. This is why AR/VR markets are solely focused on B2B markets just like Microsoft did with HoloLens. Then does VP works for B2B? No, they never planned for that and all reviews about VP for B2B and professional uses are useless.
Take a look at Meta's Quest series. They sold more than 20 million copies despite losing a lot of profits and yet, they are still admitting being failure as consumers aren't really using them at all due to lack of contents, niche markets, difficult to develop, consume a lot of money, usability, and more. This is why there are no successful consumer AR/VR products.
Since others are still struggling with consumer grade AR/VR devices, Apple did it worse with VP.
Happy_John
macrumors regular
You don’t like it, but just because TOU don’t like it, it doesn’t mean it is a faulted or useless.
I am well aware you disagree with me, why why are you continue to bang on about it? Agree to Dias agree and be done with it.
You don’t like the Vision Pro and you have no interest in buying one. So don’t buy one. No-one’s forcing you.
And I really don’t understand why you are so agitated that some people do I like it. Your opinion is one opinion, one opinion over many.
Get over the fact that you are one person with a right to your opinion, but you have no right to impinge on other people’s opinions.
Subject vs objective. That’s important.
I have no interest in the Vision Pro, but I do think the development if the Cision Pro has developed technologies that I am interested in of applied to other product ranges. And it’s a safe bet that Apple does to, because they like making money. Because they are not a religion, they’re a corporation. And the first rule of being an efficient corporation is “recycle, repurpose and waste as little as possible.”
What do you think this new MacBook will be?
Lastly, Apple product ranges really shouldn’t be such an important thing in your life. They’re just tools.
Go outside. Breathe some air. Look up at the sun and moon.
Frankly I’m a bit concerned at your reaction here to a stranger about tech products sold by a corporation. Don’t take that do seriously. Take the people and the real world around you seriously instead.
Breathe some air.