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Apple Tops Greenpeace Clean Energy Index Based on Renewable Energy Initiatives
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What about data centers? Or are you rambling on about because this ignores some issues and you yourself choose to ignore whatever pleases you just to make a point?
For decades we were sold that "low fat" diets were God's truth and anyone arguing otherwise was a fool. Even the Government, well especially the Government, forced it down our throats. Now it is collapsing under it's own weight as REAL scientific evidence trumps the political and monied interests behind the scam. Just a few years ago, you would have been laughed at it you argued otherwise. What people took as gospel was so so wrong and so damaging.
Can wait until this Global Warming BS gets crushed under it's own garbage. Even the co-founder of Greenpeace, Dr.Partick Moore, tells it like it is (see the link).
Here's the thing with science - if your thesis fails to materialize then it's time to admit your theories are wrong and move on. I've been seeing these dire predictions since I was a kid. First it was Global Cooling and how we were destroying the planet unless immediate action was taken so the earth could warm. Then within a generation, the same charlatans completely reversed course and tried to scare us using the exact opposite conclusions! Now that all those bogus predictions are failing to materialize they are desperately trying to reword their con to "climate change." Sheesh. By now we should have all been under 10 feet of ocean water, snow should be gone, and the planet scorching us to death. Just read about all the failed predictions.
I think we can all agree that reducing pollution (not CO2) is a good thing. Clean air is good. But this GLobal Warming tripe has got to stop soon. Further, most "green" energy claims are based on bogus science and cost more and have a greater environmental impact than traditional energy - when you consider the end-to-end cost and not just some carefully selected operational portions. It's probably shocking for most to learn that a Prius has a bigger environmental impact then a lot of regular cars over its entire life, including production and disposal.
Why I am a Climate Change Skeptic by Patrick Moore, Ph.D., leader in international environmentalism for more than 40 years, co-founder Greenpeace
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and now let's look at their manufacturing...
Ah, there you are. Only took 4 replies to just wet-blanket over, and deliberately derail, something that's astoundingly good.
Now say "what would Steve say?", "you're something it wrong" or "something-gate" just to really drive home the unimaginative broken-record cliche meme.
Or just, y'know, put it in your sig and be done with it. (That way I can more easily ignore it due to my sigs-off setting.)
I can bet my life on this that Samsung will not follow this initiative since they only care about unethical business practice.
Look up Thorium. And figure out why so many reactors are being built all over the world, except here. We are screwing ourselves by not producing a lot of cheap energy. Our standard of living is dropping and we are losing our global economic advantage.
The key point to keep in mind in all of this is that behind every unit of GDP there is a unit of energy. Using energy wisely is always a good idea for simple reasons of cost if nothing else, but we cannot "greenie" our way out of this box. The fact of the matter is that a stable and deployable resource in the form of nuclear power, specifically LFTRs, has been within our reach for the last 50 years and we have refused to develop and deploy it for political rather than engineering reasons.
Could it be as simple as you not having a clue?
Debt comes from people (and governments not living within their means)
In the unemployment figures is a large percentage of people who just do not want to work at all. Easier to just collect.
Then there are people who will not move to where the jobs are.
Then there are people who will not attempt to get a better education to be qualified for better job opportunities.
The combination of wanting everything (at the cheapest price) and an easy life would not be solved by burning coal.
Businesses are clearing out as the US tax structures, environmental review processes to build factories, qualified employees, labor laws etc.etc. are to cumbersome to put up with. A happy medium would suffice.
Why do you think US companies make a ton of money outside this country and keep it there?
The US chases you to the grave to get the last penny, if you ever produce income here.
Just mentioning a tiny fraction of US economy problems here.
Maybe you next suggestion should be to have a nuclear reactor in everybody's living room too.
And, screw radioactive waste. That can be shipped to Africa.
Are you sure??? I think you have underestimated yourself.... I'm sure you can push yourself to care even less than you do now.
There are not many reactors being built all over the world.
Most are in Asia and some in Russia.
Since Harrisburg, Tchernobyl, Fukushima etc. people are very weary of nuclear power.
Besides Fukushima the Asians have not had a major catastrophe to learn that nuclear power plants are not as easy as one may think.
Just wait until they have to start looking for end deposit possibilities for the burned out cores.
Anytime humans are involved a situation cannot be trusted, as we all make mistakes.
Nuclear power just happens to have uncontrollable consequences, especially in deeply populated areas.
From what I see USA is on the way to being even more overpopulated than already now.
The energy companies would have to invest for years upon years to get a power plant approved and there ROI is already not that great.
So, for now they entice consumers and business users with energy efficiency measures.
That actually saves them money, as they do not have to provide more energy. (Build more power plants)
I had the local energy company swap out 150 lights and replace them with energy efficient set ups. Cost me $ 5,000 payable over 2 years . They paid the difference.
Now my e-bills have been 1/3 of what they were. Win win for both.
There are still untapped resources in the US , continue converting energy wasting buildings and set ups, solar power, water power, ground source heating, etc.
Its already being done, but not enough.
Green is good!
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Data centers are nothing compared to manufacturing. They also obviously don't count shipping from China, unless Apple has electric airplanes. These statistics are really vague in general, but I don't feel like reading the entire report.
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Nope, you can't compare Apple to other companies and not include their filthy manufacturing process.
What you are "trying" to do is illegitimatize my post because you have no response. The fact is, Apple pollutes Earth, period. Do you want to go into the fact of just how much energy a smart phone consumes every year with the required infrastructure?
I couldn't care less that they have a 100% clean data center, when they trash China.
They're working on carbon offset in China too
. . . probably more so than the company who made the device you're typing on. Actually, I can guarantee that 100% - if it's an older Apple product, it's less green in manufacturing and energy usage than a newer one. If it's another company's product, razor-thin margins don't let them even consider doing anything like this.
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/04/17/apple-grows-its-own-solar-farms-in-china/
. . . probably more so than the company who made the device you're typing on. Actually, I can guarantee that 100% - if it's an older Apple product, it's less green in manufacturing and energy usage than a newer one. If it's another company's product, razor-thin margins don't let them even consider doing anything like this.
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/04/17/apple-grows-its-own-solar-farms-in-china/
I keep buying
This is another reason, out of about 20 reasons, why I buy Apple products. Way to go Apple.
Do you remember when Greenpeace use to get after Apple for their energy policies? Of course it made headline news. Well, why don't they go after the otters companies in this list and make headline news with them? When they did go after Apple the grade Apple had at that time was very high.
http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/c...kes-another-bite-into-apple/66777.fullarticle
This is another reason, out of about 20 reasons, why I buy Apple products. Way to go Apple.
Do you remember when Greenpeace use to get after Apple for their energy policies? Of course it made headline news. Well, why don't they go after the otters companies in this list and make headline news with them? When they did go after Apple the grade Apple had at that time was very high.
http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/c...kes-another-bite-into-apple/66777.fullarticle
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Coal is the best energy, it is very cheap. Renewable energy is a communist plot by communist China to destroy America.
China themselves is using good coal to have cheap energy.
China themselves is using good coal to have cheap energy.
tree hugging?
I wonder how Greenpeach feels about the 100+ acres of trees Apple had to destroy to install the 1st solar farm?
And when Apple realized it didn't generate enough power, I wonder how Greenpeach feels about the 2nd 100 acres of trees that were razed to build the 2nd solar farm...
Wonder how Greenpeach feels about the 3rd 100 acre solar farm project now under way that will clear away that many more trees.
I thought that organization included a bunch of tree huggers, what happened?
I wonder how Greenpeach feels about the 100+ acres of trees Apple had to destroy to install the 1st solar farm?
And when Apple realized it didn't generate enough power, I wonder how Greenpeach feels about the 2nd 100 acres of trees that were razed to build the 2nd solar farm...
Wonder how Greenpeach feels about the 3rd 100 acre solar farm project now under way that will clear away that many more trees.
I thought that organization included a bunch of tree huggers, what happened?
This is why Apple matters. Theyre really making a difference in the world with this. Its great to know that when I buy one of their products, the footprint behind the design, production, and transit of the computer leaves a very small mark. While using my new MacBook, I can work in peace knowing how little energy it consumes. In addition, once Im finished using one of their products, the materials are almost completely recyclable. Every part of this counts, and Apple knows that. Thats why theyre kicking everyones asses in renewable initiatives. That's why I subscribe to their platforms.
Actually it is not "as simple as that."
You live in Iowa, where little to no manufacturing occurs, and where the population is a pittance compared to manufacturing centers. The effects of continuing to promote carbon fuels are devastating to other parts of the country.
We often hear about NIMBY's being in more liberal places in the country. How would you feel if we loaded train cars full of coal up, rolled them into Iowa and built a bunch of manufacturing based on coal burning? Bet you wouldn't be quite so in favor of it, then.
Fact is that the solution to the problem is not to imitate the countries that destroy the environment with their manufacturing and energy infrastructure. The solution is to get them moving toward greener, too.