it's easy to play with revenue and net profit numbers. look at the cash flow and MS is still raking in a lot more cash than apple
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it's easy to play with revenue and net profit numbers. look at the cash flow and MS is still raking in a lot more cash than apple
Just to note... you can't play with revenue. It is what it is. Net profit can be monkeyed around with. Just look at some the things that Kodak does to try and show a profit.
Anyway... there's no doubt that MS is going to make more profit... they make software. Not hardware and software. Apple's cost of goods is much higher than Microsofts.
The OS wars is no longer on the desktop... it's on the mobile devices. This is where the future is with the mass consumer market. MS should kick themselves for getting so far behind. But great call on Apple's part and looking forward to what else will be coming.
Either way... it's all good.
Since when is "Company A makes more profit than Company B" a technicality? Quite the opposite, actually: this revenue measurement is the technicality. I could buy a billion widgets for a billion dollars apiece and sell all of them for a billion dollars apiece to someone else. That would mean I had a revenue of a billion billion dollars (which looks great on paper), but I earned nothing.
So, which makes a better performing company? Revenue or profit?
True, this is the one area and most important area where Google and Apple will be king and that's cloud computing. Microsoft will fail miserably because where they are right now isn't saying much.
Well said!
IE9 is shaping up quite nicely though. I like how it uses your GPU, it makes a massive difference in html 5.
It is quite funny how bad IE currently is though. Im a developer and we have massive head aches with IE 
I'd love to see Ballmer's reaction at each of these Apple milestones.
This statistic is entirely frivolous, and one that all the fanboys with no sense of finance will be more then happy to gloat about.
If you build 10 cars that sell for $100k, your revenue is 1 mil. But if they cost you $99,000 to build, your profit is only $10,000.
Which is what's going on here. Apple only brings in more rev. because of its expensive hardware... they do not in anyway make more money then Microsoft. So... I'd love to see Ballmer's reaction at your post. I bet it was a loud laugh.
But for clarification, I despise Ballmer. Just hate to see facts misconstrued.
Lol profit of course... dense fanboys like to deny simple facts in order to make Apple look better...
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Didn't you hear, "Microsoft is a dying consumer brand."
http://voices.allthingsd.com/20101028/microsoft-is-a-dying-consumer-brand/?mod=ATD_rss
Is it because their OS is not crap? Since my business converted away from windows, everything works and I have no IT downtime because of crappy MS products. I run Linux servers and OSX desktops which equals zero headaches. Sorry, no need for me to hire a Microsoft certified consultant anymore. They are a waste of money like MS products. Anything I can do with Microsoft I can do with open source and Mac.
Just to note... you can't play with revenue. It is what it is. Net profit can be monkeyed around with. Just look at some the things that Kodak does to try and show a profit.
Anyway... there's no doubt that MS is going to make more profit... they make software. Not hardware and software. Apple's cost of goods is much higher than Microsofts.
The OS wars is no longer on the desktop... it's on the mobile devices. This is where the future is with the mass consumer market. MS should kick themselves for getting so far behind. But great call on Apple's part and looking forward to what else will be coming.
Either way... it's all good.
of course you can play with revenue since when you recognize it is key. last year apple changed their revenue recognition to recognize all the revenue from an iphone sold at the time of sale and not over 2 years. this is one of the reasons why in the last year apple had such amazing revenue growth.
MS does a lot of business via their rent a software model and they recognize a lot of their revenue over a few years
not that MS isn't having a lot of problems mostly due to corporate infighting, but it's not like they are going out of business
For the vast majority of consumers the model of processor is meaningless. The computer is either "fast enough" or it isn't. My 2006 Core Duo (not even 2) iMac is fast enough for me, so spewing i5 and i7 around doesn't mean a hill of beans.
So they sold what, 6? Big deal. It's just a toy, built to make people think Microsoft is on the cutting edge. Cameras to detect touches? WTF?
Ever hear of the hotel that has an iMac in every room?
Sigh.... Dude.... Processor are meaningful depends what you do on your computer. IF processor are meaningless, then there just no point for Intel and AMD continuously pushing for newer processors. Your Core Duo might be fast enough for you, but you could have better computing experience with Core i5 processors. Multiple programs runs smooth, faster video decoding, better game experience. Apple constantly charger customer premium price for lesser advanced hardware, so here you go. With your shiny new Mac, you pay more for less. Ever want gaming on iMac? Currently the iMac only ship with either 4670 or 5670. Come on, 4670 is like 2 years old technology and 5670 isn't for gaming at all.
Sign... All electronic product are toys in some sense. So your iPod is toy, your iPhone or iPod touch is toy. So it just matter of better toy. You might laugh about Microsoft surface just like other blindly Apple fans. But Microsoft surface certainly is a cutting edge product. No, i haven't heard a iMac in every hotel room.
LOL.... good for you. Happy to see you switch to Mac and Linux, and i am happy to see you live happy for rest of your life without Microsoft's product. GOOD, that you can do whatever you want on Linux or Mac. NO IT downtimes? Are you even kidding me? All machines regardless of brand and all software regardless who made it will have downtime. If your claims are true, then i can certainly claim there won't be IT downtime for Microsoft product too.
The more you speak, the more you lose credibility. You say you have a Macbook and an iPod Touch, then you go on to say that Apple constantly charges a premium price for lesser advanced hardware. Hypocrite much? You are simply contradicting yourself. Nothing you say will matter to anyone else at this point.
Tell you the truth if and when cloud computing takes off I do not see it hurting Microsoft at all. If anything it would give them a huge boost. MS has been working on and has had the technology in place for cloud computing for well over a decade now. I remember reading about the idea and the technology for it from MS in the late 90's.
Remember MS has had the software to allow running programs on a server for very long time. They have sharepoint which is huge along with a lot of other programs and services.
Apple on the other hand has very little for the cloud.
The more you speak, the more you lose credibility. You say you have a Macbook and an iPod Touch, then you go on to say that Apple constantly charges a premium price for lesser advanced hardware. Hypocrite much? You are simply contradicting yourself. Nothing you say will matter to anyone else at this point.
Yes, i do have Macbook and iPod Touch. I brought Macbook just because i don't like all Vista-installed PC at that time. So i went buy a Macbook and put Windows XP on it. Buying an iPod-touch is just for try out. It still doesn't change the fact that Apple charge premium price for their lesser advanced hardware.
Well obviously they don't charge too much because you still bought into their system, just as they wanted you to. It makes zero sense for anyone to make blanket statements about Apple as I called you out on and you spend money on them still. It's hypocritical, period. To say their products are "expensive" makes sense, because I feel they are too at times, but to say they consistantly charge a premium for lesser hardware specs and then say you still buy them anyway is well......I can't use that word here sadly. The Vista argument is nonsense. You just said you bought a Macbook and installed XP. Every PC that had Vista installed on it could easily have been reformatted with XP so don't go there.
microsoft has been doing cloud computing since before it was called cloud computing
google apps has a target market, but they aren't going to take away the MS Office business or Exchange. most of the customers are government agencies that want to dump their unionized workforces
I'd say Apple is primarily focussed on software and platforms as well. It's just that they don't charge a Windows tax.
Thanks to Apple tax, the Cupertino company has bragging rights. I don't know of another company that gets away with what Apple does. No wonder the numbers are huge. The price Apple gets for their computers borders on obscene.
I have first hand experience as I'm one of the ones that's caved and paid the tariff.
But Apple's revenues are higher and profits are lower, so this suggests Microsoft is making a big profit somewhere. It's the small amount they get for every Windows machine shipped. Or every machine which may infringe Microsoft patents (like every HTC Android phone). It adds up.
People use MS because they have to because it's cheap. And you won the Microsoft baby whining award at this forum.
It's weird that Microsoft could maintain it's market share when it's two main products haven't changed that much in 10 years. Take Windows 7 for example, it could very well be a spiced-up Windows 2000. They make the same, um, stuff year after year and people keep buying it. It's about time the quality of Apple shines through. Don't let it go to your head stevie, you're only as good as your next product. 
There would be a lot dead bodies out there then. Many don't have time for raw PPT authoring.
It's weird that Microsoft could maintain it's market share when it's two main products haven't changed that much in 10 years. Take Windows 7 for example, it could very well be a spiced-up Windows 2000. They make the same, um, stuff year after year and people keep buying it. It's about time the quality of Apple shines through. Don't let it go to your head stevie, you're only as good as your next product.
IMO, Apple has avoided a middle age spread by dealing with a crisis in its young adult years and refusing to go mainstream. That builds character instead of compliance. I have seen people totally take a dive in their career with a risky venture in their late 20s to 30s only to become multi-millionaires in their 40s from those hard earned lessons. That is also not mentioning getting a second or third wife half their age.
When you see your territory lost and your hair thin, this creates the mid-life crisis while you never get the girl. However those boho's in their 40's and 50's who are still thin, lean and agile still get girls half there age. You know who they are.
Msfts Internet business has lost 2B over the last few years. It's amazing that some people are surprised that most people are so biased towards apple. If you don't like apple you're on the wrong forum.