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At least one whole season of 24 was nothing but an advertisement for crappy Sprint. Every single time they interacted with a phone, be it talking, texting or surfing, there was a glowing Sprint logo visible....even when the phone they were using had no such logo IRL.
 
So, we're now giving awards to companies who can spend the most on product placement? Ugh. I'm a product of its grip, but goodness capitalism is depressing sometimes.

American way, giving awards and trophies for something that doesn't matter!

Starts as soon as kids can recognize rewards, even without any accomplishment whatsoever.
 
So, we're now giving awards to companies who can spend the most on product placement? Ugh. I'm a product of its grip, but goodness capitalism is depressing sometimes.

I agree. I can understand why a company would want its products placed. But what's the value in getting an award for it?
 
I still remember, more than 10 years ago, seeing a Mac on screen and thinking "Ooh. A Mac" and feeling warm and fuzzy on the inside.
Back when Apple was the underdog. :rolleyes:

Please bear in mind that I'm not from the states before (if) replying.

All the Nickelodeon shows had/have Macs in them. I remember seeing all those awesome iMac G3s. I don't think it was product placement because the actual Apple logo was never shown, and they were referred to as "Pears."
 
As long as it doesn't get as weird as Microsofts product placement in House of Cards season 3. The guy went "let me make that easier for you" and walks over to the TV and drags the picture out of the surface on to the TV. And the dialogue pauses when he's doing it. I got embarrassed watching it.

Apple is very prominent in HoC too, seems there's always a MB or iMac onscreen, but at least those are kept fairly within the story. That one episode was just a string of product placements from several companies. The Surface moment was only one. I agree, embarrassing episode.
 
Yep, but I wonder why they'd lend the equipment to anyone who was going to cover up their logo?

I know most of us still know its a mac without the need for a glowing apple to be visible, but if it were me, i'd make it a condition that the logo was not deliberately obscured if someone asked me to lend them the gear.

But then again Apple has a few quid more than me, so maybe they know better!

There are times where shows/films use a product without express permission and obscure the logo.
 
All the Nickelodeon shows had/have Macs in them. I remember seeing all those awesome iMac G3s. I don't think it was product placement because the actual Apple logo was never shown, and they were referred to as "Pears."
That hasn't stopped. The current shows now have PearPads and phones. Shaped like pears. My daughter binge-watches the teen shows.
 
This is what Apple claims. They provide a product instead of writing a check. Even if that claim is the truth, they are still providing something and getting something in return. No different than what Sony or Samsung do.
Apple is not the great corporate citizen you believe.

No claims of Apple being altruistic came from me. Supplying products when asked is quite different from actively campaigning for it.

Apple says they don't actively solicit product placement. If I had proof otherwise I would've posted it.

Sometimes set designers, costume designers etc, will use a product JUST because they like the look and/or it works for the scene.
 
So, we're now giving awards to companies who can spend the most on product placement? Ugh. I'm a product of its grip, but goodness capitalism is depressing sometimes.

We don't live in capitalism. We live in rigged markets. Look up derivatives. Then you might understand the reality of the post-capitalist world.
 
I agree. I can understand why a company would want its products placed. But what's the value in getting an award for it?

I doubt anyone's chasing this award or giving proud acceptance speeches. The whole thing is an invention of a marketing company, geared towards getting that same marketing company in the press.

You can make up your own award if you like, give it to Apple, or let Samsung beat Apple, and you have a whole bunch of publicity for no work at all.
 
So, we're now giving awards to companies who can spend the most on product placement? Ugh. I'm a product of its grip, but goodness capitalism is depressing sometimes.


It's the company that does the tracking that is giving awards. That's one way for this company to get media attention.

Apple and other companies track product placement themselves, as it's a form of advertising that is probably written off their taxes. So while Apple claims to not write a check directly the products it gives to production companies do have a cash value which could be deducted for taxes.

So when you see a product just remember that you, as a US taxpayer, are subsidizing that placement.
 
It's the company that does the tracking that is giving awards. That's one way for this company to get media attention.

Apple and other companies track product placement themselves, as it's a form of advertising that is probably written off their taxes. So while Apple claims to not write a check directly the products it gives to production companies do have a cash value which could be deducted for taxes.

So when you see a product just remember that you, as a US taxpayer, are subsidizing that placement.

They can declare the products they give as a marketing/promotional expenses. Instead of buying time directly, the the product is "sold" in band.

It is a marketing expense, put in with all the other marketing expenses. Are you against companies being able to do so? Companies are taxed on their profit you know (revenues - expenses).The government doesn't subsidize anything unless you have a weird definition of subsidy.

Would them buying time on the same network and declaring it as an expense be called a subsidy!
 
The fact that someone watches all these movies and records every single product reference is sad.

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Apple has always claimed they do NOT pay for product placement. This is why it was so impressive that they'd beat big names as they didn't spend anything and were beating out those that spent millions. Much like Microsoft paying the NFL $400 million to use the Surface and the commentators are still caught using iPads instead.

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That looks much too thick to be an iPad.
 
I believe it's more meant to be subliminal than anything else. If you see more people using iPhones, drinking cokes, driving mercedes, etc (wether in real life or in movies), then you tend to associate that with the norm/popularity/good.

I think product placement is the best way to do advertisement, so long as it isn't too blatant and/or affect the story.

Yeah, when we start hearing lines in police shows saying "let me check the database on my 201x retina MacBook Pro from Apple in California" or the officer stops at a Mac Store on the way to a crime scene because he heard about the new "retina iPad Air and there's only 10 left in stock and he uses his badge to move through the crowd to the sales counter", then we'll know they've gone too far ;)

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I agree. I can understand why a company would want its products placed. But what's the value in getting an award for it?

You can claim that your products are in such high demand that movies feature them.

I liked the Seinfeld series. He always had a different computer on the table in his apartment. But he never used computers there.

It kind of seemed like he just always had to have something new or different, even if he never intended to use it.

Lots of stuff in his apartment changed with every episode. Usually the stuff he never used.
 
oh.... Why couldn't they have used a PC for that scene.... I think i feel sick .. :/
 

OK, it mat be cited in some US versions of English, but, from post two it's not my point as a) a simpler, easier word (?) would surely be better ...as in ' beat' or 'beaten', and, b) 'bested' is an ugly word. I feel a bit like Oscar Wilde may have said here, but elegance is an important facet of effective communication and 'bested' , for all its archaic feel just doesn't cut the mustard for me.

Not an important point given the context of the discussion. Let's leave it there.

Thanks,

RTJ
 
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