Based maybe. If something is based on a true story doesn't always mean its a true story. iOS is a super locked down version of OSX (think OSX with Parental Controls and a fancy Touch Screen.)
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Apple Tops Worldwide Mobile PC Shipments in Q2 2011 with iPad Included
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Based maybe. If something is based on a true story doesn't always mean its a true story. iOS is a super locked down version of OSX (think OSX with Parental Controls and a fancy Touch Screen.)
But, according to your signature, you have 3 of Apple's notebooks. I think Apple is probably doing pretty well if you only look at their MacBook sales. But, yes, they are not on top. I think they are open about that and don't pretend that anyone thinks they are outselling Windows based PCs.
How can it be a PC if it's a Post-PC device?
because PC means personal computer and NOT a computer running Windows.
But this statistics is complete crap because of the way they count mobile PCs. I will bet you my left arm that the company collected data on display shipments in a certain range of sizes for each of the companies, because they work under the assumption that each display results in a shipment of device. What they are counting is not actually sales to consumer or shipments for that matter. They are counting devices manufactured in the 1st half the year at best and even in that case they are working with some pretty wild assumptions. Without a doubt Apple has sold more devices than the rest but the numbers are nothing like that.
I agree...not bashing Apple (or those that love to report stats about them), but the iPad is an entirely new "market" called the "tablet market" and realistically should not be lumped into PC Mobile sales...heck, it could even be lumped into desktop sales.
As has been discussed on similar threads a billion times (so yes, I'm ready for all the same replies), I will point out a few my beefs with a report/advertisement like this:
1)iPads REQUIRE a personal computer to even turn on the very first time. Period. End of story. So how can it be considered a personal computer?!
2)iPads are in a new market called the Tablet Market...a bit unfair to include iPads in all sorts of other "market" reports
3)iPads are really just large Touches and/or iPhones...whether you believe it or not...everything is identical except size and possibly 1 or 2 hardware changes since it is much larger or the inability to dial. So why not include the Touches and/or Phones in said PC Shipments?
Overall, nice numbers and nice to see Apple doing well...I still firmly believe that Apple personal computers (you know, those Macbook and iMac things...not iPads) will still never get above 15% personal computer marketshare (let alone 10%)...mainly due to their high price...as Jobs stated (and as I stated years before him): what makes the Mac the Mac is the software...specifically the OS. The hardware is all a commodity. So when you plunk down $1200 on a bottom of the barrel Mac vs. $700-$800 on a similarly hardware-configured Wintel, you're really paying the extra $$ for the OS and possibly aesthetics. Me? I'll save the $400+ thank you.
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Apparently there are 5.6 million clueless people
Apparently there are 5.6 million clueless people
Luckily, this specious argument goes away with iOS 5.
Good one. A product can be compared in many different markets. For example, no one complains when laptops are compared in the PC market and separately in the mobile PC market.Because the iPod touch and the iPhone don't compete with PCs. A significant number of people have been shown to choose an iPad over a netbook or other laptop. The same cannot be said for the iPod touch.
Again, this report is a market analysis, not a semantics argument.
I did not miss your point at all.
I fundamentally disagree with it. In your case, you indicated it is always "if the iPad is included" when this report simply notes that the iPad is considered a portable personal computing device. The report does not say "if the iPad is include" but is included as a mater of fact.
Because it belongs there.
I fundamentally disagree with it. In your case, you indicated it is always "if the iPad is included" when this report simply notes that the iPad is considered a portable personal computing device. The report does not say "if the iPad is include" but is included as a mater of fact.
Because it belongs there.
Exactly... and I'd love to see the breakdown of the manufactures listed. How many for HP, Dell, etc... Plus, it will be interesting to see sell through when that info is finally released. Especially the Tab and the HP... they have been heavily marketed over the past month and I wonder if it's catching on at all.
As for everyones comments about iPod Touch and if the iPad is a PC... who cares... the firm that did the research includes tablets in the mix so it's their tally... take it for what it's worth.
Point 1: with iOS 5, iPad will be PC-free, so you'll be able to set it up.
Point 2: for the majority of people, iPad *is* better than a PC. And I tell you why: most people use PCs just for browsing the web, reading email, things like that. Sometimes, these people use some "programs" on their PC, but they don't really know how to install 'em. For example: ask them to install an app on a pc (say: photoshop). That kind of people don't know how to do.
So, with iPad they do the same things (browsing, reading email, ecc.) but, plus, using apps and INSTALLING those apps. And this is disruptive: it's a whole new world for them.
Clearly, of course there are people, like you and me, that know exactly how to use a PC properly, but the majority of people out there aren't nerds or, like gruber says, are "normal".
So when I say "better" than a PC, I'm referring:
- to the fact that iPad do most things better/easier than a PC (in many cases even for you and me).
- to the fact that, for the majority of (normal) people, it do MORE. Way more.
The fact that iPad is better (in many cases) than a PC or that is defined by Apple as a "post-PC device" (and I'd say that if this is a category, so Apple has 100% of the market share), don't contrast with the wide-definition of the iPad as a PC. I mean, we've to place it somewhere, and I don't really believe it's fair enough to don't include iPad in the PC space since the fact that in the next 10 years EVERY laptop is going to akin/mimic iPad (I mean the concept behind the iPad and not necessarily that PCs are going to take the form factor or whatever from it).
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I don't agree. Counting an iPad as a PC is non sense. It isn't a PC, it isn't a laptop nor is it a substitution for those. It's in a category (call it class) of its own. I don't consider my iPad a PC because it doesn't fit that bill. Not by a long shot. Try to write a paper on an iPad (with the on-screen keyboard) and you know what I mean. Just one example.
Try to write a paper with the on-screen keyboard of your desktop! That's even harder!
When the arguments against an iPad being a PC get this ridiculous, maybe it's because the whole premise of your argument is wrong.
Does that include the tablet PCs that have been included in the PC market for more than a decade?
The iPad is not a PC...
The iPad is not a PC. If you say a PC is an "IBM-compatible” Windows computer.
The iPad is not a PC if you say a PC is something with a built-in keyboard that uses mechanical switches instead of touch. Or something that uses an OS that existed at the turn of the century. Or whatever rule ties you to the past instead of the future. After all, everyone is free to use “PC” and “post-PC” in any way they want, just as long as they make it clear. A tablet PC and a laptop PC are very different, it’s true—and yet also the same, in ways that do matter.
The iPad IS a PC if PC stands for “personal” and “computer.” It is both.
The iPad IS a PC if a PC is something that people will buy INSTEAD of a tower, laptop, pizza box, or whatever other traditional shape is comforting in a retro way
Because yes, MANY people buy an iPad instead of a laptop or tower. That doesn’t mean they give up using traditional computers completely—only a few go that far (for now—although I know several who nearly have). What it means is that instead of BUYING a new laptop/tower, they buy an iPad. They keep their old “PC” for one more cycle (at least) instead of replacing it, and that’s OK with them because they don’t need to use the thing as much anymore. A traditional “PC” sale has been lost, and an iPad sale gained. Does this apply to all iPad sales? No—maybe less than half, even. But MANY iPad sales, I’m positive, carry the side effect of someone not buying a traditional PC—or buying one later. (Which still means fewer PCs bought over time.) I think you’ll see the financial reports of traditional PC companies agreeing with me Like, say, HP...
The iPad is not a PC. If you say a PC is an "IBM-compatible” Windows computer.
The iPad is not a PC if you say a PC is something with a built-in keyboard that uses mechanical switches instead of touch. Or something that uses an OS that existed at the turn of the century. Or whatever rule ties you to the past instead of the future. After all, everyone is free to use “PC” and “post-PC” in any way they want, just as long as they make it clear. A tablet PC and a laptop PC are very different, it’s true—and yet also the same, in ways that do matter.
The iPad IS a PC if PC stands for “personal” and “computer.” It is both.
The iPad IS a PC if a PC is something that people will buy INSTEAD of a tower, laptop, pizza box, or whatever other traditional shape is comforting in a retro way
Because yes, MANY people buy an iPad instead of a laptop or tower. That doesn’t mean they give up using traditional computers completely—only a few go that far (for now—although I know several who nearly have). What it means is that instead of BUYING a new laptop/tower, they buy an iPad. They keep their old “PC” for one more cycle (at least) instead of replacing it, and that’s OK with them because they don’t need to use the thing as much anymore. A traditional “PC” sale has been lost, and an iPad sale gained. Does this apply to all iPad sales? No—maybe less than half, even. But MANY iPad sales, I’m positive, carry the side effect of someone not buying a traditional PC—or buying one later. (Which still means fewer PCs bought over time.) I think you’ll see the financial reports of traditional PC companies agreeing with me
Like, say, HP...
PC = Personal Computer
So all this rubbish about tablets or post PC, even an iPhone is a PC.
My Amiga 500 was a PC, it had less CPu power, less storage and lower graphics res, so why is it different because the keyboard is now software?
Now let's see those numbers again and include Androids and iOS devices and see who is really making an impact.
So all this rubbish about tablets or post PC, even an iPhone is a PC.
My Amiga 500 was a PC, it had less CPu power, less storage and lower graphics res, so why is it different because the keyboard is now software?
Now let's see those numbers again and include Androids and iOS devices and see who is really making an impact.
The last time I looked, most, if not all PC's came with a physical keyboard. But I guess with your stance on these matters ALL arguments against an iPad being a PC are ridiculous. But perhaps you have a more otherworldly definition of the 'PC'. Good evening, young master 'BaldiMac'.
So? The Mac mini doesn't come with a keyboard. Does that make it not a PC? And, of course, an iPad is perfectly capable of connecting to a bluetooth keyboard.
They are. (Depending how you are using the term "PC", of course. See nagromme's post.)
What definition are you using?
Here's a few:
http://www.google.com/search?client...gc.r_pw.&fp=996a5a2e91f3c54d&biw=1287&bih=882
You're splitting hairs. Who cares about the OS? It comes down to what people are using the device for. People aren't using iPod Touches or iPhones as a replacement for their laptop but many people are choosing to replace laptops (or much of what they once did on their laptop) with iPads. That's what matters. The more people choose to do that, the less relevant the OS (and what other devices run the same OS) becomes.
Where are you getting this data? I am curious how many people have truly purchased an iPad plan not to buy a traditional computer anytime soon since the iPad is a replacement.
I don't think a "PC" is defined by its keyboard, and the iPad can be used with a physical keyboard in place of its virtual keyboard.
very good point, the table that is shown just tells us who some of the biggest brands/customers are - The actual report is probably much more extensive and should give a break down of what (size) and how the displays (tablets/notebooks) in mobile pcs is being used, trends etc. ... but this info is still very separate from iPods or desktops displays for supply chain and sales execs.
The point is that the report (and the break down of the info in the report) is for a specific audience (and that audience is not the general public or technology enthusiast).
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What does "on top" mean? You have to sell the most things to "win" this little contest?
Look at HP. They sell the most computers... but they hardly make any money on them. It's actually not a very good position to be in... despite being "on top"
And that's why they are spinning-off their computer business...
You called your Amiga a PC? Come on now
I'm a huge Amiga fan, was my "computer" and console of choice for around 5 years. But by no means was it comparable to PCs of the day.If your Amiga was a PC then a PS3 is also a PC (something the EU ruled against), since, up until recently you could install Linux on it. Use a bluetooth keyboard etc. Exactly the same functionality as the Amiga.
Most people have some sort of computer already. And let's say people get a new computer every 3 years or so.
Well... this time around... they might get an iPad instead of buying another computer.
They still keep their existing computer... but now they also have an iPad.
The iPad is a great companion device... but I don't think you could ditch your computer for an iPad.