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Seems rather obvious to me. iOS devices are post PC. So it would be like ask why doesn't Nike include sales of Cole Haan shoes in its athletic shoe sales report. Similar product, different category.



61% actually

I really thought it would be higher than 61%. What else has sold in any real numbers?

Because this report is a market analysis and not a semantics argument. iPads and similar devices compete within the PC market for customers. Research has shown that they have had an explicit impact on netbook sales. It's not a question of whether it meets your preferred definition of the term "PC".

But since it meets yours it's ok, right? :rolleyes:
 
Great ... just great .. I'm an Apple user .. but why make the statistic of PC with iPad included?

It loses the objectivity by doing so, why not count iPhone and iPod touch then? It's not so different from iPad?

While it happens, why not someone counting in Sony on the equation as well? They make PCs, Playstation3, PSP, and some phones and tablets too, don't they? Those are some PC too which can browse, listen to music, play video?

DEAD ON

Seriously this table was made by a biased group/person

iPad, iPhone,iPod Touch all run the same mobile operating system, it boggles me why they are not included.

Or just remove iPad % and include REAL mobile PCs.
 
DEAD ON

Seriously this table was made by a biased group/person

iPad, iPhone,iPod Touch all run the same mobile operating system, it boggles me why they are not included.

Or just remove iPad % and include REAL mobile PCs.

Despite the OS being the same, the iPad is really more geared as a Tablet PC. Therefore, they should be inclined to include the iPad but not the iPod Touch or iPhone.
 
But since it meets yours it's ok, right? :rolleyes:

This discussion thing works better if you post what you think instead of making up what I think.

I said no such thing. I said that this report has nothing to do with the semantics of whether or not an iPad is a PC. What matters is whether or not it competes for customers in the mobile PC market.

Regardless, the iPad meets most common definitions of a personal computer. So do lots of things that don't compete in the PC market. If you want to have a semantics discussion about whether or not an iPad meets your personal definition of a PC, you'll have to start by telling everyone what that definition is.
 
You clearly are missing my point. The point is that they specifically had to point out that the iPad was included. If the iPad naturally fit into this category, it wouldn't even have to be mentioned.

Ummm, Catch-22. They have to mention it because some people :rolleyes: think it shouldn't be included.

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When a lot of people started replacing their laptop/desktop with them...

Which in fact what is happening. Most of the managers in my company have chucked their PCs in favor of iPads.

(and to head off the inevitable sniping: this is a Fortune 500 tech company, all the managers I'm talking about are ex-engineers, and the company was once an exclusively Windows shop)
 
Pretty much no one. Apple just has 61% of shipped tablets, but I'd venture that they're around 90%+ in actual install base.

Yeah... that 61% is a projection of shipments by the end of the year... not sell-through to consumers.

Looking at what happened with the TouchPad... most of its stock sitting in the store.

I'm sure the Android manufacturers will have better sell-through... but we know Apple sells every iPad they make. And they sold over 100,000 every day last quarter.

Just wait until Christmas.

I seriously doubt that 2 out of 5 tablets in people's hands will be non-iPads by the end of the year.

But... the other manufacturers are shy with their sell-through numbers... so we'll likely never know what was actually sold to consumers.
 
Pretty much no one. Apple just has 61% of shipped tablets, but I'd venture that they're around 90%+ in actual install base.

I would think it has to be about 90% too. There hasn't been another tablet that even had a minuscule amount of success.
 
Those other competitors are making tablets, too. iPad can be activated at apple stores. Once ios 5 comes out, it is independent of another computer.
 
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Ummm, Catch-22. They have to mention it because some people :rolleyes: think it shouldn't be included.

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Which in fact what is happening. Most of the managers in my company have chucked their PCs in favor of iPads.

(and to head off the inevitable sniping: this is a Fortune 500 tech company, all the managers I'm talking about are ex-engineers, and the company was once an exclusively Windows shop)

That didn't come through well, that was what I was trying to point out. I have family/friends that work for companies that now giving people a choice between an iPad or laptop...
 
DEAD ON

Seriously this table was made by a biased group/person

iPad, iPhone,iPod Touch all run the same mobile operating system, it boggles me why they are not included.

Or just remove iPad % and include REAL mobile PCs.

I agree, looking at ALL computing devices—even pocket ones—would be interesting too. But so is the comparison made here. You can compare anything you want—there’s more than one way to look at any industry. It may be interesting to look at one subset or another.

in this case, is there a reason to look at PCs that are not pocket-sized? Does leaving out iPhone/iPod make for an interesting and useful comparison? Yes, I think there’s a very good reason: the pocket-sized devices are less likely to be used to replace daily “PC” activities than a tablet (or larger) device.

I don’t know anyone who has given up buying a new PC because of a pocket device (though I’m sure it happens occasionally). But as I posted above, that decision is quite reasonable with an iPad. Keep your aging PC, and get an iPad instead of replacing it—that’s a good choice for many. Keep your aging PC and don’t replace it because you have an iPod Touch? Far less likely.

So the iPad competes in, and heavily impacts, the traditional (tower/laptop) PC market in more direct ways (ask HP!) than smartphones and the iPod Touch do. Yes, they overlap as well—but less so.
 
I really thought it would be higher than 61%. What else has sold in any real numbers?
No idea of the Android numbers. But it they are anything like the HP numbers, then the percentage of non-Apple tablets actually sold, as opposed to shipped, is about 4% (given the reports from Best Buy of only 10% of HP devices shipped to the retailer actually being sold). No wonder HP is dropping out of the market, in spite of its substantial investment in it (although I must say the market is poorer for the loss). Maybe Apple will buy WebOS from HP, and use it to improve iOS the way the company used NextOS to revolutionize the Mac.

Of course, with retailers giving Samsung Galaxy tabs away for FREE with TV purchases, their market share may increase somewhat. Kind of seems like a desperate move, though, to take such a loss on the hardware just to try to get a toehold in the tablet market.
 
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