I think if Apple wants to go for the jugular and do some really scientific ego stroking, they ought to include the millions of bloggers in their viral advertising department.
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Apple Touts U.S. Job Creation with Claims of 514,000 Jobs Tied to its Products
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Nein. Aldi ist ein deutsche Firma.
Aldi's founder is the brother of the owner of Trader Joe's. Well, technically they took over their mother's grocery store, kept expanding and eventually split the company in half.
and for the folk making $60-$70 a month on their apps in this sustainable "economy" to make a living, can you apply for welfare or iStamps? Let's see some clone solitaire subsidy programs.
You don't have to be sorry. You are obviously one of those people who will go out of his way to find fault with whatever news - spin or not - comes across your computer monitor. You can't admit there is more than one way to look at this. I see that Apple really created an industry with small app development, and I'm not alone in that belief. Indeed, it's a $4 billion dollar a year industry. "BUT THEY DIDN'T CREATE JOBS" you scream. So be it. You can only see the half empty side of things. You must be a fantastic PR person.
I just have to know - was LTD counted or not in this tally?
Kidding.. sincerely...
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Now you're just twisting what I said out of some emotional response you're having.
I never said they didn't create jobs. Nor did I say they didn't create any job. And you have no idea what I can and can't admit to. Take a deep breath and try not to get so heated about something that really shouldn't be "personal" to you.
Kidding.. sincerely...
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Now you're just twisting what I said out of some emotional response you're having.
I never said they didn't create jobs. Nor did I say they didn't create any job. And you have no idea what I can and can't admit to. Take a deep breath and try not to get so heated about something that really shouldn't be "personal" to you.
$10/day earns you more money than half of the world's population, that's over 3 billion people.
Yeah but apple isn't hiring anyone for the app store???!?!?!?!! They are not employing people based on risk and opportunity.
They are getting paid to run the app store and offer people the opportunity to develop at their own risk. What's guaranteed for apple is that they don't have to pay to run the app store since they offload the cost to devs to cover their own expenses. What's also guaranteed for them is that they get 30% cut so they are also making a profit besides the running cost. They are also able to sell boatloads more ipads and iphones by virtue of the creative capital devs are creating for them. But they don't seem to be interested at all if the price is driven too low for developers to survive, and yet they claim they are offering all 200,000 of them jobs. How more hypocritical can one be?
Your example is that of the entrepreneur who says I am employing people and I am taking the risk of my investment in them and our enterprise. Apple is saying cover my expenses for the store, offer me a cut off of your labour, help me sell more devices, and I don't care to create a business plan on how many of you actually survive or sponsor or control the market to ensure that most of you with something worthwhile do survive in the end...cause to apple the app store is a "free market", but a free market in which the market owner isn't taking any financial risk, just the participator in that market. How convenient...
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The purchasing power of $10/day is as I am sure you know quite different for each one of those 3 billion people...
Why are you not acknowledging the obvious difference between a job created and an "employee"?
And many, many people have jobs where they pay to get hired. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.
Just try to get a job as a medical doctor in the U.S. without your board certification. Many jobs and business opportunities have entry and start-up costs. Many significantly higher than getting into iPhone development.
For the iOS dev game: $3B+ payed out versus $99 * 250k to get in the game sounds like positive betting odds to me. Add buying a Mac and the odds are still way positive, better than you'll even get counting cards in Vegas.
Cost of manufacturing in the U.S. is a big enough deal, I would think, to make a substantial dent in margins -- and consequently something Apple would not seriously consider. Is anyone assembling consumer electronics products in the U.S. anymore? That work started moving to Mexico long before it went to China. At the risk of turning this thread into even more of a food fight, I'd have to say that U.S. workers have been getting drop-kicked for over 30 years now. We talk a good talk about education and training, then continue to cause it to become steadily more difficult to actually attain.
Just try to get hired by Kaiser as a doctor without paying for your medical license. (I'm not, but my neighbor is and did.)
Please sir, I want some more.
If I thought Apple was going to leave that money in the bank for the benefit of the US citizens I would agree with your disagreement.
Do the basic elements of an economic system allow for loans to the unemployed?
I would like to see Apple open a manufacturing plant here in the US. Keep the oversees plants going, but offer a choice to customers. I would pay more for something that said "Made in the USA" if the quality was just as good. Doubtful it would be I suppose.
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If I thought Apple was going to leave that money in the bank for the benefit of the US citizens I would agree with your disagreement.
Do the basic elements of an economic system allow for loans to the unemployed?
I would like to see Apple open a manufacturing plant here in the US. Keep the oversees plants going, but offer a choice to customers. I would pay more for something that said "Made in the USA" if the quality was just as good. Doubtful it would be I suppose.
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Personal? Hardly. You can spin your words all you like, but you claimed Apple was wrong for claiming to create those jobs.
I paid to get my diplomas, and I wouldn't have been hired without them. I also didn't need to go to school to learn what I did. I could have done it myself. The only thing I got out of my schooling at the University level was expensive pieces of paper.
Oh, and I should add, I also only got those diplomas because when I inquired how to get a job at the University, they told me I needed a few diplomas. So I paid to get the diplomas needed to get my job at the University which then hired me (created my job).
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They haven't been drop-kicked. They've been pricing themselves out of the market (or voting for environmental and employment rights that do the same thing). Cause and effect.
If it was not in the bank where would it be?
Possibly in the hands of consumers, workers, etc. if they paid less for the products or paid the workers more.
You're mistaken. This is definitely a PR message but cannot be attributed as crap.
There are companies of more than 10-15 people (per company now developing apps for iOS/Mac OS X). You're only taking into account some 300k-500k developers whom Apple have sold iOS Developer license to. Apple is not counting all of those people. There are hundreds of companies and some companies employ more than 50-60 to develop high grossing games on the app store. If not 200k, Apple has generated well more than a 100k jobs in the US alone.
Build in US and keep costs the same or lower than present Foxconn builds by Using the Obscene cash reserves apple has
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I get so tired of comments like these. You think working 8-5 or less is how you do better for yourself? I work from 8AM to at least midnight most days of the week. Millions of others do too. People are acting like it's some sort of human rights violation for a 15yo to work a 12hr day. Give me a ****ing break.
Obviously not enough people give a damn about whether Americans have jobs, hence why companies like Apple are seeing record profits/growth each year.
The chinese have set the standard of salary expected for that kind of factory work. So if you don't want to accept that standard, either retrain or get prepared to live in a tent.
The chinese have set the standard of salary expected for that kind of factory work. So if you don't want to accept that standard, either retrain or get prepared to live in a tent.
So? I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth. So, my question to you and others once again ragging on Apple, MR, anyone nearby is....
So? What's your point?
There are a lot of people who don't seem to understand the difference between paying for a job (that's counted as much) and paying for a license.
None of the associations claim they've created jobs. They claim they have certified x amount of doctors. That's different. That's my point.
When you pay for education - the school doesn't take credit for how many jobs it's created counting all the students that have graduated. So again - it's different.
Poor analogies/examples.
None of the associations claim they've created jobs. They claim they have certified x amount of doctors. That's different. That's my point.
When you pay for education - the school doesn't take credit for how many jobs it's created counting all the students that have graduated. So again - it's different.
Poor analogies/examples.
Maybe so, but I'm not talking about myself relative to the world, I'm talking about myself relative to other US citizens. Before anyone brings up me being close minded or something, keep in mind that Apple is advertising how many US jobs they have, not worldwide.
Minimum wage in the US is $7 an hour. I make $10/day programming, or $70 a week. Thus it's the equivalent of working a minimum wage job 10 hours a week. To be equal to a full time minimum wage job, I'd need to be making at least 3 times as much as I do. Not up to a minimum wage, full time job means I'm unemployed by most standards, I think.