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nataku said:
lolz. are you serious? If you didn't know, they got the "Power" from the PowerPC arcitechture. Using the PowerMac name on its forthcoming Intel version would be totally ridiculous.

You don't have a choice anyway.

I don't think this is correct. They were using the "Power-" prefix as early as 1991 in PowerBook 100s. Those had Motorola MC68HC000 processors, which wern't PPC-based. By the time Power Macs came along, the name was well established thanks to the notebooks, and I would suggest that they used it for that reason. The PPC architecture had nothing to do with it.
 
In the end, I think the name isn't that important. As long as the hardware kicks ass and the machine looks nice, I'm going to get one. Most PC people only know Macs by... yep, Macs. Whether it's PowerMac, iMac, iBook, or PowerBook, they'll just say "Macs suck" or "How's your Mac?" Mac people, like you and I, might care a bit more about the name, but we all already know what the machine is like.

So, I'll be one of the first in line to order a Mac Pro when they're available. My PowerMac G5 1.6ghz is still serving me well, but it's been 3 years and it is time to upgrade.
 
geeyesgee said:
MacDesk Pro
MacBook Pro

iMacDesk
iMacBook

Mac mini
big Mac --oops that's taken

I think it would be:

Mac Pro
MacBook Pro

iMac
MacBook

Mac Mini

Personally, I like Mac Pro just fine. It fits with other things in their product line (Final Cut Pro, etc.) and, really, what's so great about PowerMac anyway? I think it sounds kind of dated.

My first Mac wasn't a PowerMac and I have no real attachment to the name.
 
jouster said:
I don't think this is correct. They were using the "Power-" prefix as early as 1991 in PowerBook 100s. Those had Motorola MC68HC000 processors, which wern't PPC-based. By the time Power Macs came along, the name was well established thanks to the notebooks, and I would suggest that they used it for that reason. The PPC architecture had nothing to do with it.

The "Power-" prefix was indeed used in laptops before the PPC processor. But there is a similar precedent now. "Pro" is well established at Apple with Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Soundtrack Pro, and now MacBook Pro. This makes Mac Pro fit in perfectly.
 
Mitch1984 said:
Maybe but I wouldn't say the MacBook is really much of a case facelift from the PowerBook.
I have to say I'm looking forward to the next iMac, I going to dig my heals in for a merom based iMac with a blu-ray drive and a new case design. Hopefully we might see one by Autumn.
What does everything think?


There is very little a company can do with a notebook form factor. Slim and Wide.

Unless you know of another way Apple can make a different form factor for slim and wide, I would love to hear about it. The PowerBook and the MacBook Pro form factor is perfection until Apple and other hardware companies can come up with something "new." ;) :)

You will continue to see the same PowerBook/MacBook Pro form factor used for the iBook/MacBook in the future. So being disappointed now, ;) :D

The iMac or whatever its called in the future, will become just "a screen with a computer mounted on the back of the LCD screen." <-- as Jobs once said the iMac will never become when he introduced the iMac G4. ;)
 
Macrumors said:


Speculation pointed towards the iBook being renamed as the "MacBook"...

Here's my take, If they are going to replace PowerMac with Mac Pro wouldn't they have replaced iMac with Mac if they were going to replace iBook? Just a thought... The other thought is, will we get a MacBook Mini? Please, Please, Uncle Jobs????
 
danielwsmithee said:
Desktop:
Mac mini
iMac
Mac Pro

Portables:
MacBook mini (Oh Please :D 10" Widescreen )
iMacBook (13.3" Widescreen)
MacBook Pro (15.4" & 17")

Either way you look at this, the i or the Pro prefix or suffix creates problems.

If they drop iBook and go for MacBook, then the iMac should really be called the 'Mac'. If they leave the iBook and iMac then where is the non-Pro Macbook and Mac?

Could there be a third line opening up here. Room for a MacBook and a Mac sitting above the i models and below the Pro.

I'm with you on the MacBook Mini though. I sooo want one.
 
What's In A Name?

Peace said:
Most folks would think a PowerMac had a PPC in it.

I respectfully disagree.
I suggest that most folks do not associate "power" with PPC. The ones that do, are the relatively few here on these forums - the mega Mac nerds (myself included). And we make up about .5% of the market... on a good day. I also suggest that most folks could care less if it's PPC, Intel or Yamaha. They just want fast (or the perception of).

That said, the most important factor to 95% of the market is PRICE - which is an area I'd like to see Apple grow more competitive. While they have made strides... there is still quite a gap (and save the "value, virus-free, etc." argument - I get it. I buy Macs).

Now to the naming convention: yeah, it's awkward. While they're obviously interested in pushing the "Mac" moniker, how it will all pan out remains to-be-seen. Give it some time folks.
 
intlplby said:
bigmac pro, anyone?

Do I win the sweep stake on how long it would take for some to make the BigMac joke?

I genuinely don't believe how long this thread is. Seriously guys, if it makes you feel better, call your new MacPacWhak BookBak Brian and put a tutu on it. Point is, it's a Mac.
 
anonicon said:
Yes, it's just you, and it's all in your head. Well, no, not really. When my sarcasm detector goes off, I find it really hard to create a constructive response when there's so much more fun to be had with a sarcastic reply. :) I call it the John Cleese Syndrome.

Well, you hardly have to convince me that a sarcastic reply is more fun than a constructive response...
 
Brand recognition alone will guarantee the iPod name to stick. The trend of having it followed by a unique name like Nano, Mini, etc., will be where Apple distinguishes that line.

I highly doubt the X(Serve), X(Raid), X(San), etc., enterprise class of hardware and software will ever embody the Mac name in their titles.
 
i guess that's to be expected since Intel chips are not PowerPC.

although calling the iBook "MacBook"? i doubt that will happen, but you never know.

if they wanted to do away with the "i" name brand, the iMac would have been simply the Mac.

i think we will see a new line called the MacBook, but the iBook will be around. c'mon, just like the iMac, it's a flagship product.

so when does the Apple Mac Pro 5100 come out?

wait a minute? is simplicity at stake in the Mac line! haha!
 
I too think the iBook will remain the iBook. Right now the "i" prefix carries as much weight with the intended market as does the word "mac."

I don't think Job's statement has to be all inclusive for all hardware. The "i" is highly recognized...
 
iAlan said:
Who's to say that PowerPc CPUs wern't named for the PowerMac?
Or was it just a coincidence...

a) pwermac/powerbook came before powerpc was in them.
b)powerpc was around during the naming of power…, a coincidence, or was this in apple's mind when they named them.

Was apple thinking, we'll call them this, and then in a few years when we switch to ppc, we have a name, but then when we switch to intel in x years, we will have to rename it. Or, were they thinking that because they came up with power… before they used ppc, when they switched to intel, they could have an excuse to use power if they wanted to. I WANT THE TRUTH.
 
Ok, this thread eventually became more about the iMac than the Mac Pro. The iMac can't be renamed to just "Mac" because it would be to confusing. Everybody says "I have/use/am on/etc a Mac" referring to ANY Apple Computer.
I'm starting to think that Mac Pro is not going to replace the PowerMac name. Maybe it's for the iMac itself or an all new Mac.
 
yankeefan24 said:
a) pwermac/powerbook came before powerpc was in them.
b)powerpc was around during the naming of power…, a coincidence, or was this in apple's mind when they named them.

Was apple thinking, we'll call them this, and then in a few years when we switch to ppc, we have a name, but then when we switch to intel in x years, we will have to rename it. Or, were they thinking that because they came up with power… before they used ppc, when they switched to intel, they could have an excuse to use power if they wanted to. I WANT THE TRUTH.

Here's roughly how it worked:

IBM started a project in the mid-seventies that resulted in a CPU called the 801. This was the birth of a new computer design called "RISC", based upon the idea of stripping down the number of instructions in a CPU to a minimum and then using all the saved silicon to optimize for speed. In theory, this would result in a faster CPU, but there was scepticism from mainstream computer users who were used to CPUs that "saved time" by combining a lot of functionality into additional instructions.

This project begat IBM's America project. This was to turn the theory of the 801 (not to mention everything else IBM had learnt) into a working CPU platform intended for use, well, in the end, practically everywhere.

This project didn't want to use America or some number as the product name for the final CPU architecture, so they took on the name "POWER", because it was highly popular in the mid-eighties (if created today, it would probably be called the EXTREME.)

Now, entirely separately, Apple (who hadn't heard of the POWER architecture, let alone developed plans to use it) created a laptop in the late eighties that sucked. This was after many attempts by third parties to do much the same thing without Apple's help (they'd literally buy old Macs, rip out the guts, and put them in luggable cases. It was horrible. Apple didn't see the market until these companies practically forced them to.) After many false starts, Apple eventually went to Sony, who designed an entirely new range of extremely attractive and usable laptops for Apple to sell. In the early nineties, they sold them. Apple decided to make them stand out from their previous attempts, and even from the Mac to an extent, given the Mac was not doing well in business (where it was largely seen as a toy) and that the new laptop might conceivably sell into the business market despite that. So they called it... the PowerBook. Power, again, for the same reason as IBM - it was a strong marketing word at the time.

Now, yet again entirely separately, Microsoft purchases a slideshow app from someone, adds it to Office, and is stuck for a name. Calling it "Some kind of graphics program, er, yeah" wasn't really an option. Pretty much anything descriptive looked wimpy. Also "Presentation Manager" was already taken, and worse still, refered to the Finder equivalent in OS/2. So they took the word "Power", and prepended it to a word describing something you would do, or make, during a presentation. Power...point. Powerpoint. Yeah.

Looks stupid today, but in the early nineties, that was considered the ultimate in marketing.

So, going back to IBM and Apple. After Apple starts selling its laptops, Apple and Motorola decide, for reasons I still don't understand, that the 68000 series of CPUs isn't going anywhere. After some long drawn out internal politics, IBM enters the frame, and the three manufacturers decide to turn IBM's POWER architecture into a CPU for PCs (Personal Computers, not IBM PCs) The new chip architecture is named after the general CPU architecture, being called PowerPCs.

Apple now has an opportunity to launch an entirely new range of computers, based upon the PowerPC. It calles them the Power Macintosh. History does not tell us if:

1. The Power Macintosh was named after the PowerPCs (this is what most people think, but it's never clearly stated anywhere.)
2. The Power Macintosh was named after the successful PowerBooks. (ie had Apple continued to use the 68k for high-end Macs, they'd have launched three-box Macs under the Power Macintosh label anyway.)

So far as I can tell, the Power Mac (as opposed to Power Macintosh) name wasn't used officially until the return of Jobs, which again suggests Power Mac is a brand that has little to do with the CPU. My Beige G3 has "Power Macintosh G3" on the nameplate on the front.

From this though, you can deduce:

1. "Power" is a marketing term that, at least for the most part, has been put in all these product names to denote, erm, power. As in "generates a lot of force."

2. The PowerPC was designed for the Power Macintosh.

3. The PowerPC was named after the POWER architecture, which predates the Power Macintosh.

4. Apple was using the Power prefix before the PowerPC, but had no actual product called the Power Macintosh or Power Mac. The Power Mac may have been named after the PowerPC, or may have been named after the PowerBook. But the PowerPC certainly wasn't named after any of Apple's computers.


Timeline:

First IBM POWER CPU: 1990 - RS/6000
First Apple "Power" product: October 1991 - PowerBooks 100/140/170. 68000 based.
AIM alliance: Also 1991 (date uncertain)
First "Power Macintosh": 1994 - Power Macintosh 6100.
 
Well you've got to have power to call yourself a powermac, so maybe they decided against that one..."mac pro" will still cover all the bases when they fall behind to AMD chips...:D
 
Actually, did anyone notice on the Intel Mac ad that in the end the image on the iMac screen had the Apple logo followed by just "Mac". Maybe they are dropping the "i" in the next generation form design. I can see keeping the iMac name while it still resembles the old PowerPC model but when they change the design, they could possibly rename it. They did this when they swiched from the 040 chips to the PowerPC when the iMac name started.

The i used to stand for internet but I think it has evolved into meaning a sense of individuality, thus iLife, iWork, etc. and works well for applications and accessories (iPod, iSight), but a Mac, Pro or not, really works the same.
 
Who cares what they call it?

I just wish they'd bring it out. I was all set to buy a Powermac but I just cannot bring myself to when the Intel iMac is so close in performance to a 2.5 Powermac. I am hoping for an Intel based tower asap. I notice this week that the Soho store has greatly de-emphasized the Powermacs. I live in hope, and they can call it whatever they want. If it had a smaller footprint that would be ok too.
 
jjd said:
I just wish they'd bring it out. I was all set to buy a Powermac but I just cannot bring myself to when the Intel iMac is so close in performance to a 2.5 Powermac. I am hoping for an Intel based tower asap. I notice this week that the Soho store has greatly de-emphasized the Powermacs. I live in hope, and they can call it whatever they want. If it had a smaller footprint that would be ok too.

I read a review the other day (titled something like "Buy now or wait?") that pointed that the performance per watt argument Steve presented for Intel chips means we'll be getting smaller and thinner designs. If it's easier to cool, there's no need for those massive fans and heatsinks.

The iMac will be put out again this year I'm sure and that hunky odd fat section at the bottom of the bezel will be gone.
 
we won't see an Intel desktop Mac for professionals (whatever it's called) until FCS and its compatriots are ported, since the pro apps' users make up a large portion of the current Power Mac base.

and I have to agree with cr2sh, that fat section on the bottom of the iMac is odd. my first reaction on seeing the thing was "well, it would be sexy if only...". I've changed my opinion now that I've had a chance to see one up close (it is a very nice looking machine I have to admit) but it would look better still with no extra lumps.
 
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