Apple Trails Google, Amazon, and Microsoft Among Ideal Employers in Recent Survey

[wigby]

But.....so many people here think Cook is doing a lousy job. How is this possible?

Two completely different bubbles. The ones that work at Apple do care about products and company growth but more about their workplace environment, ability to rise within company, 401k, health benefits and other things that internet forum people don't know or care about. The Apple insiders also know some of the real reasons for products that rise and fall. Forum people like me and you know nothing except for old rumors based on half truths.

 

[PJivan]

My oldest son bought a MacBook Air a couple of years ago using his friend's discount: 15%. The friend is one of Apple's legions of attorneys (he does work directly for Apple). That's not a lot better than the education discount my wife gets for working for a university.

friend discount are different...they are for friends and family...Do you expect Apple to give away stuff to friend and family of dozen of thousands employee?
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No. There is and was not "$500" on top of that. Maybe on an old item you got a specialized deal, but by no means is your deal any type of policy, at least for U.S. based Apple Corp. employees. Not sure about retail.

Just don't comment if you don't work for Apple...I'm not going to share their discount plan but I can tell you you are both wrong.

btw their other perks are even superior than discounts on products... I mean...****ing dentist on site and blood analysis on site, great stock plans....I've worked for the top 4 company in this list, I think Apple and Google are close but still prefer Apple by a long shot in terms of benefits

 

[citysnaps]

Dice?

Without revealing any raw data it's tough to take this "survey" seriously.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Do you have an answer to my question, or are you just going to keep telling me what I am saying?

Well I think my original post covered all of that. But if you need it spelled out better --

You wrote:

Who were these 5000 people? Actual people with a valid opinion, or random 13 year olds?

My interpretation of that was: You are suspicious of the survey. You (your acknowledgment: sarcastically) "wonder" if the survey designer polled actual people (presumably looking for tech jobs) or just kids.

My further inference is that you are suspicious of the survey results because you don't like them otherwise why demean the respondents as "13 year old" or question if they were "Actual people with a valid opinion."

If you were honestly asking if this was a scientifically conducted poll then you could have just asked "is this a scientifically conducted survey." That is the difference between an actual question and a rhetorical one. Rhetorical questions can be hyperbolic or sarcastic BTW. Usually they are.

 

[deanthedev]

Forum people like me and you know nothing except for old rumors based on half truths.

True that we don’t know anything. That doesn’t stop many members from thinking rumors are true. Even to the point of accepting rumors as fact even over official Apple statements (case in point, the FaceID article).

 

[DaveOP]

No. There is and was not "$500" on top of that. Maybe on an old item you got a specialized deal, but by no means is your deal any type of policy, at least for U.S. based Apple Corp. employees. Not sure about retail.

Do you work for Apple? I did, and had several friends working corporately a few years ago. This definitely did exist several years back.

Edit: To clarify, this was in addition to Quarterly promos. This was not on older or "specialized deals". This was to purchase any Mac of our choice with a nice discount. This was a PERSONAL discount only, once every few years, and NOT for friends and family.

 

[melendezest]

OK, there is NOTHING special about Tim Cook. NOTHING.

Apple had one of the greatest CEOs ever, because he was good at the money side AND the vision and taste sides. Apple was an extension of his will.

Tim is merely riding on the foundation Steve laid down, a foundation that ANY CEO that wasn't completely incompetent could have sustained indefinitely. Those CEOs are always good with the money-side.

What Apple needs now is a visionary, and neither Tim Cook, nor Jony Ive, nor Craig Federighi are it.

/rant

On topic: I would've KILLED to work at Apple 6 years ago, because I considered the products they were making to be the absolute, unquestionable best.

I still would work at Apple today, but only if the pay was way, way above average.

 

[walkingman]

I was under the impression working at Amazon sucks.

I think that working for most any corporation would be difficult at best. Goals are different, or insignificant to management and executives.

I would like to see Apple retail employees better paid.

 

[69Mustang]

OK. But what am I not clear on so I can clarify? All I read above is you complaining about my post to you. I think I asked a fair question regarding your post. I did not do it in a demeaning or sarcastic way -- at least I don't think I did -- but got no real answer from you. Care to start over?

Yes, you asked a question. The you proceeded to provide an argument against what you'd already assumed was my opinion. The answer to your question was no btw, that's not what I think. So your argument was moot. Also, I don't think you were being demeaning or sarcastic. I do think you employed a cheap debate tactic that I wasn't going to engage so I shut it down tout de suite. You've already framed the evaluation of what a good CEO is to suit your feelings about Jobs and Cook. At the same time dismissing things that go contrary to your opinion. Judge the CEO based on A, B, and C, but ignore/dismiss what they did regarding D, E, and F. If I can only judge the CEO based on the criteria you narrowly define, then I can only come to a conclusion (you hope) similar to yours. See, you're really not looking for an answer. You're looking for agreement. Obviously I don't agree.

I personally think Cook is a better CEO than Jobs, not on par him. He's done things I agree with. He's done things I don't agree with. Evaluating him using the criteria I use to judge a CEO... yeah Cook wins.

 

[Analog Kid]

When asked what matters most to them in an employer, tech professionals mentioned competitive salaries, challenging work, benefits, positive organizational culture, and transparent communication as the most important factors.

Gee, I wonder which of these Apple scored lowest on...

I've heard that complaint. Great work and great pay, but if you're someone who really wants to publish your work, or get your name out there as a leader in your field, it's tough when Apple keeps such a tight lid.

How many times have we seen stuff show in the news just to say "I never knew Apple was even working on that"?

In a warehouse perhaps, but in a survey of "tech professionals", you're not talking about warehouse staff, just like how you're not talking about a Foxconn factory worker for Apple

I've read articles on Amazon's tech culture with quotes like "I think I've seen every one of my coworkers cry at least once". It's not just the warehouse staff...

But.....so many people here think Cook is doing a lousy job. How is this possible?

We've got 100% of the 7% registered with accounts at MacRumors.

 

[theheadguy]

friend discount are different...they are for friends and family...Do you expect Apple to give away stuff to friend and family of dozen of thousands employee?
[doublepost=1507739334][/doublepost] Just don't comment if you don't work for Apple...I'm not going to share their discount plan but I can tell you you are both wrong. btw their other perks are even superior than discounts on products... I mean...****ing dentist on site and blood analysis on site, great stock plans....I've worked for the top 4 company in this list, I think Apple and Google are close but still prefer Apple by a long shot in terms of benefits

Yes, I did work for Apple Corp and left because, shocker, there are better places to work. Did you work for Apple? Sounds to me like you're an armchair employee.
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Do you work for Apple? I did, and had several friends working corporately a few years ago. This definitely did exist several years back. Edit: To clarify, this was in addition to Quarterly promos. This was not on older or "specialized deals". This was to purchase any Mac of our choice with a nice discount. This was a PERSONAL discount only, once every few years, and NOT for friends and family.

I did work for Apple Corporate. My point stands - there is no typical $500 off on top of the regular discount. A promo is different. You made it seem like it is normal (i.e. at any time one chooses) to get $500 off a mac on top of the regular discount. So, calm down.

 

[PizzaBoxStyle]

I was under the impression working at Amazon sucks.

In the distributions centers it's like being in the Colosseum with Caesar watching over. No idea about Corporate Cubicles.

I think that working for most any corporation would be difficult at best. Goals are different, or insignificant to management and executives.

I would like to see Apple retail employees better paid.

From two years ago: https://nyti.ms/1TFqcOG

At Amazon, workers are encouraged to tear apart one another’s ideas in meetings, toil long and late (emails arrive past midnight, followed by text messages asking why they were not answered), and held to standards that the company boasts are “unreasonably high.” The internal phone directory instructs colleagues on how to send secret feedback to one another’s bosses. Employees say it is frequently used to sabotage others. (The tool offers sample texts, including this: “I felt concerned about his inflexibility and openly complaining about minor tasks.”)

I'd never work at Amazon. For me, it would be completely out of the question. I value my personal time wayyyy too much for that kind of lifestyle. I mean, you've only got one go-through at life folks. No sense in burning all of it chasing a paycheck working for and with psychopaths.

 

[saile]

many peoples dream to work for Google


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[Solomani]

Microsoft has become an "ideal workplace" only because Microsoft has been bleeding employees under Nadella. He layed off tens of thousands of employees within his first three years alone. He gutted Microsoft's workforce, to make the investors happy, so that the only ones left are elated and satisfied they even have a job.

Microsoft lays off 18,000, including half of Nokia, in largest-ever job cuts (2014)

Microsoft to lay off up to 7,800 (2015)

Maybe Nadella isn't God, Microsoft employees say after layoffs

Microsoft is cutting thousands of sales jobs (more layoffs for 2017)

 

[winston1236]

I wonder if not forcing everyone to work in their poorly designed open ‘collaborative’ offices might help.
I am not against their use, I think it can be better in certain roles, but it is not for erveryone and all roles.

Agreed, I really don't like open workspaces because of the amount of distractions.

 

[kwikdeth]

In a warehouse perhaps, but in a survey of "tech professionals", you're not talking about warehouse staff, just like how you're not talking about a Foxconn factory worker for Apple

No, there was a great deal of reporting a few years back about the corporate culture at Amazon being very cut-throat, with teams and people basically being pitted against each other. Supposedly Bezos was surprised by this and enacted changes, it would seem given the turnaround in reputation that it worked.

(Edit) NY Times article -
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/...as-in-a-bruising-workplace.html?_r=1&referer=

"At Amazon, workers are encouraged to tear apart one another’s ideas in meetings, toil long and late (emails arrive past midnight, followed by text messages asking why they were not answered), and held to standards that the company boasts are “unreasonably high.” The internal phone directory instructs colleagues on how to send secret feedback to one another’s bosses. Employees say it is frequently used to sabotage others. (The tool offers sample texts, including this: “I felt concerned about his inflexibility and openly complaining about minor tasks.”)"

 

[DaveOP]

Yes, I did work for Apple Corp and left because, shocker, there are better places to work. Did you work for Apple? Sounds to me like you're an armchair employee.
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I did work for Apple Corporate. My point stands - there is no typical $500 off on top of the regular discount. A promo is different. You made it seem like it is normal (i.e. at any time one chooses) to get $500 off a mac on top of the regular discount. So, calm down.

It was not a promo, it was every 3 years on EPP. Maybe you were not offered that? It could be gone now too, I have no idea. Don't worry, I am very calm

 

[ackmondual]

A colleague from a few years back used to work at Apple in California ( non technical, but not low level position either ) The benefits sounded disappointing TBH. No free hardware, just a small discount.

I value work / life balance. Apple is one of the last places I'd get that.. include a lot of major tech companies in that list too - they have good office percs for a reason - to keep you in the office.

Yeah, one person commented how a place like Google gives you free meals, laundry service, spas, massages, gym membership, gaming areas, and other such perks, but in the end, the one thing that's getting taken away is the one that really matters.... time.

 

[Glideslope]

Or because he is doing a mediocre job. He 100% knows how to gin up the revenue which has been FANtastic for us shareholders. But as tech fans and fans of Apple products his tenure is rather mixed. He's really more of a caretaker keeping the iPhone brand relevant than someone like Jobs that really lived to change society though tech.

Agreed. My scarcasim was not strong enough with just a wink.

 

[SeattleMoose]

Tech companies are flush with cash/earnings. They pay the highest salaries in the world. And yes, they ruin the RE values in the cities they haunt (e.g. SEA and SF). Instead of becoming a doctor, pilot, or such, today's best and brightest figure out more important things like new Emojis and various ways to enrich the "social media" experience. Evolution I guess...

 

[Glideslope]

From two years ago: https://nyti.ms/1TFqcOG



I'd never work at Amazon. For me, it would be completely out of the question. I value my personal time wayyyy too much for that kind of lifestyle. I mean, you've only got one go-through at life folks. No sense in burning all of it chasing a paycheck working for and with psychopaths.

In today’s workplace Psychopaths are no joke. I’ve had dealings with more than a few over the years. IMO, “Snakes in Suits” should be mandatory reading for anyone entering the workforce today.

 

[apolloa]

A colleague from a few years back used to work at Apple in California ( non technical, but not low level position either ) The benefits sounded disappointing TBH. No free hardware, just a small discount.

I value work / life balance. Apple is one of the last places I'd get that.. include a lot of major tech companies in that list too - they have good office percs for a reason - to keep you in the office.

Yeap, this, unless you ar this exec or director or ceo, your just working to make them richer.. I mean you aren’t paid these days, your ‘compensated for your time’... says it all
Life is about a hell of a lot more then making someone else rich.

 

[nsayer]

I dunno, I'd say that, as a tech professional, I would not want to work for an employer that once said, "Don't be evil," then repeatedly added "well, except for ___" and then dropped it altogether.

I would also look askance at federally convicted monopolists.

 

[raghu8912]

I wonder what's the benefit for working for Apple. Free mac computers? Iphones?

Apple has the best Manufacturing & Supply Chain team, great experience to have on your resume.

 

[venusboy]

Microsoft told pretty much everyone in the Paris office that they didn't have a job anymore and they had a month or so to apply for a new job off the new org chart (which was considerably smaller). I don't see what is so wonderful about that.