Apple Transfers Chinese Users' iCloud Data to State-Run Servers in China

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    Today marks the official transfer of Apple's Chinese iCloud services from a hosting location in the United States to servers owned and operated by state-run Chinese company Guizhou-Cloud Big Data (GCBD) (via CNN). With the move, all Chinese users' iCloud accounts will now be hosted on GCBD's servers, along with the iCloud encryption keys needed to unlock an iCloud account.

    Apple made the transfer to comply with the latest laws enacted in China regarding regulations on cloud services, requiring foreign firms to store data within the country. At the time of the original announcement, Apple said, "While we advocated against iCloud being subject to these laws, we were ultimately unsuccessful."

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    Still, Apple remains adamant about its users' privacy:
    The company decided to obey the new law in China, instead of outright discontinuing iCloud services in the country and causing a "bad user experience and less data security and privacy" for its Chinese customers. Now, starting today, any iCloud accounts on a device with location settings set to China will have their accounts switched to host GCBD, which is owned by the Guizhou provincial government in southern China.

    Because of the move, the Chinese government will be able use its own legal system to ask Apple for its users' iCloud data, whereas before the government had to go through the U.S. legal system. This has been the focus of controversy regarding the move, with human rights and digital security advocates questioning whether Apple will be able to maintain and protect its customers' privacy under the new Chinese laws.
    Speaking to CNN, Ronald Deibert, an expert on human rights and global digital security from the University of Toronto's Citizen Lab, said that Apple customers in China will need to take "extra and possibly inconvenient precautions not to store sensitive data on Apple's iCloud." Apple has noted that users can terminate their iCloud account if they don't want their data stored by GCBD, but a company spokesperson said that "more than 99.9 percent" of iCloud users in China have decided to continue using the service.

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  2. robertcoogan macrumors 6502

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    Right.

    So much for privacy, Apple (at least in China).

    psssst - You're not involved in any pro-democracy activities, are you, random-iCloud-user? Do you know of anyone who is?
     
  3. alex2792 macrumors 6502a

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    So, now the Chinese will have their sexts and cat videos monitored by a CCP instead of an NSA spook. That seems like a lateral move.
     
  4. mtneer macrumors 68030

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    How does Apple deal with the data of non-citizens who just happen to be visiting or living long term in China? Will their data get sucked into the Chinese data center as well?
     
  5. iMerik macrumors 6502a

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    Lots of questions I'm guessing we won't know the answers to.
     
  6. Beeplance macrumors 68000

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    Apple: We will always value users' privacy.

    Also Apple: goes ahead and stores iCloud data in a data center in China, owned by a company with close links to the Chinese government because they want to suck up to Beijing authorities.
     
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    Soon, Modi from India would be demanding one.
     
  8. canadianreader macrumors 6502a

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    Apple values democracy, equal rights and freedom of speech as long as it doesn’t cost them money
     
  9. Kaibelf macrumors 68020

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    You’re right. Apple doesn’t write China’s laws, and are not a Chinese company.
     
  10. ChromeAce macrumors regular

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    I’ve decided anyone who brings an iPhone into my house must have their iCloud data moved onto my iMac.
     
  11. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    I’ve got all of my apps Downlaoded, whether I want or not. From this point onward, no more Chinese App Store no matter what. If I happen to be unable to use certain app, so be it.
     
  12. Kaibelf macrumors 68020

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    Likely the same as any other visitor: when you are in that country you are subject to that country’s laws.
     
  13. alex2792 macrumors 6502a

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    Well, the alternative is not offering iCloud to the Chinese market. Companies have to abide by local laws, when in Rome do as the Romans.
     
  14. Kaibelf macrumors 68020

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    I don’t see Trudeau cutting off all trade with China or demanding they change their laws either.
     
  15. now i see it macrumors 68040

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    Basically iCloud is a trap. Use at your own risk. Assume everything on it is being scrutinized daily by the govt and that your backups are being cloned to another device. The choice is yours whether to use it or not. It certainly isn't necessary.
     
  16. 69Mustang macrumors 604

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    Afaik the data going to the Chinese data center is determined by the region of your Apple ID. If your Apple ID region is set to China, your data goes there. If it's not, it doesn't. I have a couple of friends who have family in China and they've all set their region to Hong Kong. HK isn't subject to the data storage laws of mainland China.
     
  17. JRobinsonJr macrumors 6502a

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    Well... this doesn't seem unreasonable. If Apple was a China-based company we (US) wouldn't want them storing our data in China where it could be monitored. We're assuming that this was a requirement to eliminate data the China state couldn't access, and that may very well be true, but the larger fact is that China is NOT a democracy (or a Republic) and their citizens and visitors are subject to a totally different set of laws. Any company wanting to do business in China must follow their laws. Period. Apple doesn't have to agree with them, but does have to abide by them.
     
  18. kagharaht macrumors 6502a

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    Maybe a dumb question. So the Chinese Gov will have access to encryption keys or systems that unlocks and decrypts iCloud users accounts?
     
  19. iMerik macrumors 6502a

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    Can you explain this more. Do you have an Apple ID with a region associated with China? Do you use a VPN of some kind to help you avoid Chinese oversight?
     
  20. Shirasaki macrumors G3

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    I live in Australia and have long switched my account away from china. VPN is not that necessary in here so not my main concern. I used to register my Apple ID in China. But I have my region set to Australia.

    I don’t know how Apple will treat my Apple ID data as they are unwilling to disclose such information (tried but failed). I must assume they store some of my data in China as it is entirely possible for them to store something in China no matter what.
     
  21. nicho macrumors 68020

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    On the plus side, backups are lightning fast now.
     
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    Well.. their main purpose is to make money, so yeah.
     
  24. JosephAW macrumors 68020

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    "Apple has noted that users can terminate their iCloud account if they don't want their data stored by GCBD, but a company spokesperson said that "more than 99.9 percent" of iCloud users in China have decided to continue using the service."

    For now... when the Chinese govmnt tells Apple that the iCloud switch must be on for all citizens then users won't be able to opt out.
     
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