So, about as much CPU power as my 2,1 Mac Pro. Or about 1/4 of my current system.
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Apple Transitioning Macs to Custom Chips With 'Incredible' Performance Starting Later This Year
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So, about as much CPU power as my 2,1 Mac Pro. Or about 1/4 of my current system.
They’ve only been using the instruction set from ARM for several years now (that’s my understanding). They haven’t touched a reference design from ARM since I think the A7?
Note that behaving as BIG.little isn’t the same thing as using an actual ARM design, it’s an organizational/performance scheme.
Apple has been doing completely native chip design for several years now.
Again, that’s my current understanding.
I signed up just for the discussion of the transition
Well I guess that way Apple could claim to be bringing a real unicorn to life 😄
We all expected this move but what we maybe didn’t all expect was a total transition to their Apple silicone across the board.
This feels like regime change lol! Just a decade ago people would’ve laughed at the suggestion that Intel would be in this position.
If Intel and AMD (but especially Intel) do not seriously get to work then I see many other players eventually going with this Apple model.
Intel’s biggest mistake was neglecting the trend towards mobile 15 years ago just as Hollywood and Blockbuster failed to see the move to streaming allowing Netflix to come in and reinvent the industry. Today the movie theater distribution model is under serious threat.
This feels like regime change lol! Just a decade ago people would’ve laughed at the suggestion that Intel would be in this position.
If Intel and AMD (but especially Intel) do not seriously get to work then I see many other players eventually going with this Apple model.
Intel’s biggest mistake was neglecting the trend towards mobile 15 years ago just as Hollywood and Blockbuster failed to see the move to streaming allowing Netflix to come in and reinvent the industry. Today the movie theater distribution model is under serious threat.
I had already postponed replacing my Retina MBP until 2021 after hearing the rumours over the past few months.
Now it looks like there will be some truly exciting devices to be launched next year. I may have to wait for another 12 months, but I'm expecting to be able to buy a MBA or MBP with significantly improved power, battery life and graphics.
Now it looks like there will be some truly exciting devices to be launched next year. I may have to wait for another 12 months, but I'm expecting to be able to buy a MBA or MBP with significantly improved power, battery life and graphics.
You should be okay as USB4 specification was released late last year that includes backward compatibility with TB3 - it’s near enough the same!
Let's hope so. Now that I think about it the precursor to Apple dropping TB3 was in UBC support on the LG Ultrafine 4K / 5K screens, the iPad Pro 2018 not having TB3, and the Pro XDR Display being compatible with USB C input.
I personally did not think much of this and have continued to invest heavily in TB3 thinking it was the future. Now my complete studio is TB3 based and I'll be SOL within a few years.
It will most likely be emulated Windows and I wouldn't be surprised if the performance is much worse than bootcamp on an existing Intel based Mac.
I just now saw on the homebrew docs that you can force it to build as opposed to using bottles (or casks). That's great - I'm going to opt for that on my Intel Macs.
Will all that code compile on "Apple Silicon"? That would be good to test out on the Dev Transition Kit
Yup This technology is amazing to say the least, and Apple practically hires 50% of staff working on LLVM anyway so it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine some of the best minds in compiler tech are behind this.
My iPad is probably 2-3 times faster than 2,1 a Mac Pro.
You specifically called out 32 bit Software going back further than the x86 architecture (I think that was you anyway).
Are you suggesting your normal consumer is running 10+ year old software? I ask because I’ve never run across a single “normal” (read: not a tech enthusiast) person that even remotely understands that VMs are a thing....so who is this mythical consumer you seem to be alluding to, other than your unique use case of course (which is legitimate)?
TB3 intel removed the licensing fee heck even on AMD you can get thunderbolt compatible USB-C addin cards they just can't use Thunderbolt ™ branding.
so thats not a worry and its going to be even more lax requirements considering the USB4 spec requires TB3 operability
IMO This is terrifying for those of us that are multiplatform that offset the constant price increases on the apple-side by ignoring our PC upgrades and opting for bootcamp
untill i see serious virtualization benchmarks I'm skeptical of its performance for more than casual apps not to mention will it have USB, TB and PCIE passthrough so us pro's that still use NVIDIA for CUDA wont be screwed.
the announcement confirmed it would be a much faster transition i was hoping for a base 5-7 years where i could atleast hackintosh if apple continued to neglect the performance per $ conscious small business pros like myself.
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So will the ARM GPU be just as powerful as a separate AMD or NVIDIA GPU?
No one else can afford this other than maybe Amazon.
Apple is the only major technology company that focuses on vertical integration like this. It is ridiculously expensive.
Just wait it out you never know Apple might surprise you with performance of the Chip that will come out by the end of the yr.
It's not. The hardware specs are the same but the protocols aren't the same. Manufacturers have to consciously take USB4 compatibility into account when developing their TB3 products. Thunderbolt 3 devices that are already out probably weren't developed with USB4 forward compatibility in mind..
So far nobody has any idea since no Apple SoC had an dGPU. But probably they will want to design the GPU themselves as well. If you do this transition, why do it half assed and keep using AMD dGPU's?
I am with you, same here. The last time I posted so much was when Steve was alive and was furious on android copying stuff.
To be fair, I was a java programmer during the Intel transition, and when I got an early Core Duo MacBook Pro, it was literally three times as fast as my PowerBook G4 at compiling Java. Not even a G5 PowerBook could have matched that.
I bet this transition will be a ridiculously huge performance boost for 13” MacBook Pros. They’ll probably rival 8-core i9 processor 16” MacBook Pros, and get better battery life.