Ampere is releasing an 80 core ARM chip, where are the 80 core parts from Intel and AMD? ARM is already beating x86 and will continue to do so because x86 is a legacy arch with a lot of useless baggage. ARM less so. Soon new archs like RISC-V will be competing. Intel always won on process technology, and that lead has been lost.
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Apple Transitioning Macs to Custom Chips With 'Incredible' Performance Starting Later This Year
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Ampere is releasing an 80 core ARM chip, where are the 80 core parts from Intel and AMD? ARM is already beating x86 and will continue to do so because x86 is a legacy arch with a lot of useless baggage. ARM less so. Soon new archs like RISC-V will be competing. Intel always won on process technology, and that lead has been lost.
This.
I expect a 80-100 core Mac Pro as the latest step in the transition, and costing much less than the current 28 core Mac Pro. That Ampere chip already beats the 28 Core Intel and 64 Core AMD's.
Are you sure about that? Wikipedia suggests the a13 is Armv8.4-A
I am guessing the huge savings from the transition to their own architecture/chips will mean at least equal savings for the end user/customehahahahahahahahahahaha
Nah seriously though, that graph alone sold the new macs to me. I mean, all the info you need is right there, who would even need more details?
Nah seriously though, that graph alone sold the new macs to me. I mean, all the info you need is right there, who would even need more details?
Right because that nvidia design is tested and bested the best from AMD and Intel. No one in the consumer market cares about what processors; they care about two things these days: The brand (aka apple logo) and the the price but I guess many go in debt just to buy the brand name.
Software drives everything. There's no way I would give up a PC (x86) based computer over any apple computer any day. There's nothing I'd die for on a MAC but there are software I'd die if I don't have on a PC.
You don't see it either. You just believe.
All new gfx drivers have to be written for the new arch. It's one place where automatic translation won't do. Apple can simply refuse to allow those new drivers or even just refuse to provide the technical help they need to make the transition practical (this is more likely). I'm pretty sure Apple will take this opportunity to lock down the new platform with gfx cards (and other peripherals) that it approves, and probably co-brands. Why do you think Apple is moving to ARM in the first place?
Too long to track down a similar comment on this thread, but this transition is gonna be extremely easy for the real Mac user/fan. Complainers do not understand that the first transition was from PowerPC (basically an exclusive processor for Apple, IBM and some very specific hardware or servers) to the enemy's Intel CPUs. THAT was heart-breaking. Now, in a way, we are going back home... I'm liking this new Apple mentality of getting rid of what doesn't work and going back to what made them great and evolve again from there.
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For most it will be a dead platform and not an opportunity. Who is going to want such a slow and underperforming machines in 2 years from now?
Well you can cross compile but I am actually excited about rosetta 2 because if you just squint and look at it, it is fundamentally dynamic cross compilation. Apple is using the time it takes to run pkg or copy the app to your app folder ("During Install") to be able to translate your app ahead of time so by the time you click the app it would already have native code compiled and cached, so you would actually be running a native app and for certain dynamic parts they might be JITing it.
Thanks, all these Apps are math types of Apps, if Maya can run emulated, they should do, and judging by the audience and the developers behind those Apps, I expect them to go native before the first Arm Mac is launched. I'd be more concerned for small indie type Apps who hardly made the transition to AMD64 but those, although numerous, aren't exactly in widespread used. I am quite confident for this transition actually.
Yawn!
There have been ARM SOCs with many cores available for years. Back in 2014 a 64bit 64 core ARM SOC was introduced.
It's always the same with this sort of thing. "Macs are dead!", "I'll never buy another Mac!", "Apple is dead to me!"... It's going to be fine people, and if you don't want to be an Apple Silicone Mac you don't have to. No one is holding a gun to your head.
I remember those days well. I think this time will be much easier since everyone is using XCode and it’s so mature. 99% of devs can just recompile, do some regression testing and release an update within days. We’ll have MS Office and Adobe Photoshop on day one, instead of waiting months.
People who run Windows on their Macs will be holding on to their Intel machines. It might be different if WIndows is ported to ARM properly. Apple risks alienating a lot of important customers if they drop support too soon. Also it assumes that the transition has no performance problems, etc.
Just an FYI, my wife is running a 10 year old copy of Office. IT works fine.
Well, given that everyday Macs become a more of a rounding error compared to iPhone sales, this time may well be different.
The mac "enthusiasts/fannies" are just like the anti-2nd amendment activists. Always believing they will see the 2nd amendment gone and no one shall own guns in the usa. It's so embedded in their beliefs no one can change their views. These are the same people who also believe (before they have even tested it let alone seen it) this new apple ARM will defeat x86 and will rule the world. SMH.
First of all, if AMD/NVidia needs to compile their driver for ARM they will just do it. You dont have to rewrite the driver at all, it is the SAME code.
In any case, if Apple wants to lock down the platform they can do it anytime, ARM or not.
Why Apple is moving to ARM? Did you watch the keynote? Johnny explained it, with ARM they have the opportunity to offer much better performance in the same power envelope as competing platform based on x86.
I have a still working great ScanSnap 1500 scanner which has 32 bit drivers and no 64 bit support. This is just one example among thousands.
Well. If they CAN do better, perhaps they should try to do it while Apple are still giving them a pay check.
I'm simple terms I'd say unless you need a Mac right now because your old one broke or because you need to do something new with it and it's so old it won't do it I wouldn't buy a new Intel Mac right now. Wait until the new processor comes out. If you don't in 2 or 3 years when Apple yanks support you'll be sorry. That's my advice to anyone buying a Mac right now.