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And sacrificing all backwards compatibility again. Making a ton of software obsolete again. Sacrificing boot camp. Sacrificing ALL Hypervisor comparability (virtual machines).

Lots of developers are for sure gonna dump their Macs going forward. The majority of developers using Macs are NOT iOS developers, after all. Most
Developers chose a Mac simply because it offered the unique ability to test in macOS, Windows (VM, BootCamp), etc.

While on Windows I can still run old DOS games if I want to. And thanks to WSL2 I have a native Linux kernel to test on. And I’ve stopped iOS development due to the hostile nature of the AppStore and the way Apple abuses iOS developers. No need for a Mac any more.

/Jailbreak

Why? ARM supports virtual machines.
In fact the new cloud VMs that Amazon is rolling out run on ARM server boards.
There is X86 emulation already available that runs on top of ARM. It will be easy for Apple to adapt that.
 
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For most it will be a dead platform and not an opportunity. Who is going to want such a slow and underperforming machines in 2 years from now?
People who want to run Boot Camp or legacy applications natively. The performance overhead of Rosetta is still an unknown quantity.
 
Too long to track down a similar comment on this thread, but this transition is gonna be extremely easy for the real Mac user/fan. Complainers do not understand that the first transition was from PowerPC (basically an exclusive processor for Apple, IBM and some very specific hardware or servers) to the enemy's Intel CPUs. THAT was heart-breaking. Now, in a way, we are going back home... I'm liking this new Apple mentality of getting rid of what doesn't work and going back to what made them great and evolve again from there.

What didn't work was PowerPC
 
At the end of the day this means less choice for consumers which is not a good thing, apple still and will continue to charge premiums. If you already have a mac at least you can run windows, doubt very much new machine will allow you to do so...really thinking of switching their prices are so ridiculous...
 
The mac "enthusiasts/fannies" are just like the anti-2nd amendment activists. Always believing they will see the 2nd amendment gone and no one shall own guns in the usa. It's so embedded in their beliefs no one can change their views. These are the same people who also believe (before they have even tested it let alone seen it) this new apple ARM will defeat x86 and will rule the world. SMH.
I believe it because my iPad runs circles around my old MBP and in certain cases, around my iMac.
 
Well - being able to 'run in days' is different from easily cross compiling for a different instruction set. I'm not as optimistic as you, but we should see how this shakes out with these DTKs.

(Again, I'm talking mostly about CLI apps/services that can run via linux and macos, say, like Redis)
Redis should have zero issues. Might need different compiler flags but its available for Debian on arm so no reason it shouldn’t compile.
 
No, they won't. The Macs are not selling in large enough quantities to justify a custom chip design. It will maybe have a a few more cores enabled, but nothing dramatic.

They’ve spent* the last 10 years experimenting with ARM based iPad chips. They don’t need to worry about how many sales they might make now because they’ve done all of the work already.
 
The mac "enthusiasts/fannies" are just like the anti-2nd amendment activists. Always believing they will see the 2nd amendment gone and no one shall own guns in the usa. It's so embedded in their beliefs no one can change their views. These are the same people who also believe (before they have even tested it let alone seen it) this new apple ARM will defeat x86 and will rule the world. SMH.

It's possible to change the constitution (2nd amendment is the most likely exactly because of the rabid and extremist support) and it's possible to make a better processor than Intel can make, as AMD has recently demonstrated. Apple has more money and engineering talent than Intel and AMD put together.
 
3-5 years is a long time in the silicon world
Not at Intel it isn't... the power difference between their chips five years ago and now is hardly earth-shattering. That's pretty much why Apple is doing this.

Start with a resurrected MacBook (low performance expectations, small battery) for users where the pre-installed apps and the App Store are all they'll ever need.

Then work your way up. If they have Final Cut / Logic Pro / Adobe / Office on board day one then a huge number of people will be pretty happy. Add a high-performance Linux virtualisation and a low-performance Windows virtualisation and you add another big chunk of users with everything they need.

More importantly, there are so many more iOS developers than there are Mac developers that the software ecosystem is going to explode. I'm guessing there are more iOS developers than Windows ones nowadays...
 
Why not? An A12 costs 40$ to Apple, give or take. Even 15 of them disregarding the design for the MB costs much less than a single 28 Core Intel CPU.

The motherboard might cost a bit extra for a 15 CPU design, but still, I like where you’re going.
 
People who want to run Boot Camp or legacy applications natively. The performance overhead of Rosetta is still an unknown quantity.

Yes, some people might want to do that. I'd say most people do not care at all, other people who need the performance will buy shiny new ARM Macs and enjoy the performance uplift of the native apps.
 
And the transition is including both Intel and ARM, so why not allow at first the end-user to choose between ARM and Intel on all MacBooks/Macs, then slowly fade out Intel? You could lower the price of the ARM component to get more on-board with it.

Because:

a) it's cheaper to make a single line of machines
b) Apple make better margins on their own chips than Intel's
c) it doesn't look good to continue selling a competitor's CPU when you claim yours is the future and the superior product
 
What precisely is a "more compatible" CPU? I mean ARM CPUs are ARM compatible, and x86 CPUs are x86 compatible - none of them is "more comaptible". In fact i do think that A14x is fully ARMv8.6A compatible - they are possibly AArch64 only though.
As in Intel is more compatible with non-Mac software, like Windows.
 
The truth is, if this transition goes south, Apple can afford to lose the market share, either dropping to zero. Simply because they don’t depend on it to stay alive.

I think that they’re gambling: if it works, they can increase the profits per unit and they control their own destiny.

The way I see it, the Mac market works more for them like a marketing tool because of content creators. It’s free advertising everyday on YouTube from people like Brownlee, Ritchie, Everyday Dad and similars.
 
idk what the patent situation is, but what if apple put some hardware accelerators for x86 into these new CPUs? that might help the rosetta 2/vmware/parallels situation a great deal
 
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