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So this tells me, even Apple can't pull off getting a full glass iPhone this year if they wanted to. Looks like any radical new design will have to wait till 2017. :(
 
Apple recently patented a dual-camera system consisting of one standard wide-angle lens, similar to what is found in the latest iPhones, and a second telephoto lens capable of capturing zoomed-in video and photos. In a recent video, we visualized what the interface could look like on future iOS devices.

I hope Apple can provide enough proof that their dual-camera project is an independent development. Because with Huawei being the first to market this…. I can smell another round of PATENT WARS all over again. :rolleyes:
 
I hope Apple can provide enough proof that their dual-camera project is an independent development. Because with Huawei being the first to market this…. I can smell another round of PATENT WARS all over again. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if Apple will be implimenting it differently. They tend to take new features and find a way of doing them differently.
 
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It seems Apple are the only company that don't actually manufacture anything themselves.

They're always having to buy parts from Samsung, Sony, LG etc.

Seems an odd and quite vulnerable position to rely on your competitors to make your own products.

You don't understand how economy works.

Because they don't make anything, they have the best quality and prices at everything.
 
I'm an American. Americans love choices. Humans love choices. If I have to choose between 3 mediocre models in 4 colors with 3 storage sizes or one really good one, I'll choose the really good one every time, even if I sacrifice my personal favorite screen size.

Besides, screen size may not matter much in a few years after the Apple Watch develops further.

One thing Jobs was great at was cutting away all of the fat and focusing all resources on what was most important - making great products that change people's daily lives.

If sacrificing those choices means I get a cutting edge and stable product again, I am all for it.
So what you're saying is that Apple should make phones in 3 storages sizes and 4 storages sizes, plus a really good, cutting edge and stable product.
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please DO NOT call it iPhone Pro... unless it has wireless charging and an edge to edge screen.
Exactly. Those are the two hallmarks of Pro products.
 
Buying a phone mainly for a camera is silly. Nobody wants a bad camera on their phone, but 'deal-breaker' is a bit extreme — it's not like they're terrible now.

I imagine if it's so important to you, you can't have used an iPhone earlier than the 4.

I, like many other people upgrade our phones ONLY FOR THE IMPROVED CAMERA.
I don't really care about any of the other features (although things like improved processor speeds are welcome).
I'm a dedicated iPhone photographer and the iPhone is the only camera I use. Period.

I prefer the 6 Plus size screen as I also need a large DVF (digital video finder) for shooting and the screen is much better for editing photos.
So a 'high-end' iPhone with large screen and dedicated photo/video capabilities is what I'm interested in.
If you think about the size - an iPhone 6 Plus is still smaller than most compact cameras and certainly smaller than a DSLR. Arguably the battery lasts way longer too!

I have been on the fence about purchasing a dedicated camera - i.e. mirrorless Fuji, Sony, Olympus etc or a DSLR (Nikon, Canon etc) but I love the workflow and portability of the iPhone.
Also as the technology improves, the gap closes between what a phone can do vs. a dedicated camera.
Sure, a dedicated DSLR is more flexible in many ways than a phone - I'm not getting into technical arguments here.
But if the next iPhone considerably "ups" the photography capabilities then that gap gets even smaller.

Obviously megapixels (MP) are one thing.
A high megapixel number doesn't mean much when combined with average optics.
There are many phones out there offering 20MP+ images that actually don't look that great (even compared to 8MP stills from an iPhone 6 Plus for example).
Also, WHO takes the photos is as important that WHAT they are taken on.

So as the lines blur, with the launch of the iPhone 7 and better camera optics etc - I'm holding off considering a 'dedicated' camera.

Ideally the iPhone 7 will have 16-20MP, better optics, integrated multi-camera lenses to create ultra-sharp images with much less 'noise', image smearing etc and the ability to make larger prints without much post.
 
Yeah, because Apple would offer both options at the same price, and you could choose which one you prefer. :rolleyes:

It's quite obvious that the poster meant make ONE spec of iPhone. Make it as best you can. Stop fragmenting with 'Pro' options and add-ons and differing feature. Different screen sizes, yes. Different specs — no.
The whole article is about LG and Sony struggling to meet supply demands for just the Plus model. Doesn't seem as if fitting a dual lens on both models is even possible. Meaning if they could only fit the Plus because of its lower expected sales then is the gripe valid?
 
I, like many other people upgrade our phones ONLY FOR THE IMPROVED CAMERA.
I don't really care about any of the other features (although things like improved processor speeds are welcome).
I'm a dedicated iPhone photographer and the iPhone is the only camera I use. Period.

I, like many other people, don't use my phone camera for anything more than taking pictures of product descriptions in stores or capturing something quickly from the computer screen.

I really don't care if my phone even has a camera.

And I literally laughed out loud when I read that you call yourself a "dedicated iPhone photographer". I actually laughed again as I was just typing that.
 
I, like many other people upgrade our phones ONLY FOR THE IMPROVED CAMERA.
I don't really care about any of the other features (although things like improved processor speeds are welcome).
I'm a dedicated iPhone photographer and the iPhone is the only camera I use. Period.

I, like many other people, don't use my phone camera for anything more than taking pictures of product descriptions in stores or capturing something quickly from the computer screen.

I really don't care if my phone even has a camera.

And I literally laughed out loud when I read that you call yourself a "dedicated iPhone photographer". I actually laughed again as I was just typing that.
I, like many other people, am in the middle between these two radically extreme positions.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the dual-lens camera lets me take better pictures.
 
Making features exclusive to the larger model iPhones is just going to cause frustration among those who don't want a phablet and likely dissuade them from buying a new model at all. Source: I'm one of the people.
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I, like many other people, don't use my phone camera for anything more than taking pictures of product descriptions in stores or capturing something quickly from the computer screen.

I really don't care if my phone even has a camera.

Is this because you use a dedicated camera for picture taking or because you have no appreciation for artistic endeavors?
 
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I think that demonstration video is interesting but way off-track.

I don't think Apple is going to give a split view. That's so un-Apple-like, it's silly. That would make shooting the video complicated and then you end up with two different videos/photos of the same thing (and twice the data to store) which also means you have to manage it by deleting the version you don't want. What a mess.

However, this would be an interesting solution to the lack of traditional zoom. If iOS were written to intelligently interpolate image data between the wide view and the zoomed view, you could have on-screen zoom (like the digital zoom now) that would be adjustable like a traditional zoom lens without suffering from the horrible pixellation that digital zoom gives now. It's the best of both worlds. You get a hybrid hardware-software zoom without the additional hardware and without the crappy results of digital.
 
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Is this because you use a dedicated camera for picture taking or because you have no appreciation for artistic endeavors?

Dedicated camera.

The quality difference between the SLR glass I use and the cheap crap in a cell phone is a different world. Of course when one of my lenses alone will buy 3 entire iPhones, I can't really fault Apple for the camera they give you. It's just the people who call themselves a "dedicated iPhone photographer" who think they have a good camera that are the jokes. And this guy I was replying to will replace his phone just to get a better camera when any DSLR from 10 years ago will still beat that better camera.

Apart from that, it's not much of a camera without an external flash sync and the ergonomics of how the camera feels in your hand makes a huge difference in the final picture.
 
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I, like many other people, don't use my phone camera for anything more than taking pictures of product descriptions in stores or capturing something quickly from the computer screen.

I really don't care if my phone even has a camera.

And I literally laughed out loud when I read that you call yourself a "dedicated iPhone photographer". I actually laughed again as I was just typing that.


Why laugh at that?
That's what I and many people do - use our phones as cameras.
What's your problem with that exactly?

Please clarify - I may have read you wrong.
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Dedicated camera.

The quality difference between the SLR glass I use and the cheap crap in a cell phone is a different world. Of course when one of my lenses alone will buy 3 entire iPhones, I can't really fault Apple for the camera they give you. It's just the people who call themselves a "dedicated iPhone photographer" who think they have a good camera that are the jokes. And this guy I was replying to will replace his phone just to get a better camera when any DSLR from 10 years ago will still beat that better camera.

Apart from that, it's not much of a camera without an external flash sync and the ergonomics of how the camera feels in your hand makes a huge difference in the final picture.


WOW - what a snobbish comment!

I have no argument that SLR glass and dedicated cameras are indeed technically far better than any current cell phone.

The iPhone is a fantastic camera for what I (and others) use it for as far as photographers.
I did say 'dedicated iPhone photographer' - not 'dedicated Canon photographer'.
We are CHOOSING to use iPhone to shoot with - hence the description.

But saying that - because other people choose a different medium to create - they are 'jokes' - is high-and-mighty to say the least!

Artists were using very low res first gen. cellphone cameras years ago to create 'art' - just like artists have used all types of technology or mediums (paint, ink, pencil, stone) to create with for, like, forever.
It is ill-informed to write-off the way someone creates simply by what they use.


Edited this post in response to not reading a comment properly, sorry XD
 
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Why laugh at that?
That's what I and many people do - use our phones as cameras.
What's your problem with that exactly?

Please clarify - I may have read you wrong.
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WOW - what a snobbish comment!

I have no argument that SLR glass and dedicated cameras are indeed technically far better than any current cell phone.

The iPhone is a fantastic camera for what I (and others) use it for as far as photographers.
I did say 'dedicated iPhone photographer' - not 'dedicated Canon photographer'.
We are CHOOSING to use iPhone to shoot with - hence the description.

But saying that - because other people choose a different medium to create - they are 'jokes' - is high-and-mighty to say the least!

Artists were using very low res first gen. cellphone cameras years ago to create 'art' - just like artists have used all types of technology or mediums (paint, ink, pencil, stone) to create with for, like, forever.
It is ill-informed to write-off the way someone creates simply by what they use.


Edited this post in response to not reading a comment properly, sorry XD

Perhaps English isn't your first language? It's totally fine if you only take pictures with an iPhone and don't have any other cameras, but the term "photographer" is typically reserved for people who take photographs professionally or at least with a high level of dedication and seriousness. I pretty much only use my iPhone for taking pictures too, but to call myself a "dedicated iPhone photographer" is a little ridiculous. That's like being a professional skateboarder who is dedicated to using Wal-Mart skateboards, or a professional race car driver who is dedicated to racing a Toyota Yaris.

Most photographers want to take the best pictures they possibly can, and to do that they want to use the best equipment possible. Why would you limit yourself to the iPhone if you're a photographer? The iPhone is great for convenience, and I love that it takes pretty good pictures and I want to see it continue to take better pictures, but if I was specifically setting out to take great photographs I would use a better camera. It's silly to be dedicated to a mediocre piece of equipment if you're passionate about something.
 
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Perhaps English isn't your first language? It's totally fine if you only take pictures with an iPhone and don't have any other cameras, but the term "photographer" is typically reserved for people who take photographs professionally or at least with a high level of dedication and seriousness. I pretty much only use my iPhone for taking pictures too, but to call myself a "dedicated iPhone photographer" is a little ridiculous. That's like being a professional skateboarder who is dedicated to using Wal-Mart skateboards, or a professional race car driver who is dedicated to racing a Toyota Yaris.


lol - absolute garbage.
Sorry.
 
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I, like many other people, don't use my phone camera for anything more than taking pictures of product descriptions in stores or capturing something quickly from the computer screen.

I really don't care if my phone even has a camera.

And I literally laughed out loud when I read that you call yourself a "dedicated iPhone photographer". I actually laughed again as I was just typing that.

What's so funny about that? At the moment I'm shooting exclusively with an iPhone even though I have other cameras.

I've never found the strength or power of a photograph was much of a function of the camera used.
 
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Actually this is what Apple used to do up until the iPhone 5. Then everybody started crying for bigger phones, so Apple accommodated them. Then people started crying for smaller phones, and Apple accommodated them. See where I'm going with this?

Consider yourself lucky to be an Apple user. If deciding between three different phones is a chore for you, you'd have a really hard time deciding from the thirty different models that each competitor makes available.

I'm not disagreeing Apple is spending time and resources to try to follow some market research, but I do not know if we are better off for it.
 
I'm not disagreeing Apple is spending time and resources to try to follow some market research, but I do not know if we are better off for it.

Soo…… would you rather have the "Steve Jobs Model" where a single Apple Dictator decides that HE knows what is best for you (the consumer). Or the Tim Cook Model, where he often listens to market trends (what is popular among consumers at the time) and he has agents listening to the gripes and whining of the Apple-Rumoring Masses and then plans future products accordingly?
 
Getting sick of all this fragmentation. Hoping they don't go this route. Can we just get one really awesome iPhone model and call it a day?

This is a tech company, not a clothing company. Adding color and size options is just a distraction for stalled innovation.

I don't necessarily mind the fragmentation, but I do have disdain for the fact that the larger phone is getting better features. Despite having OIS in the 6 Plus/6s Plus models, the 4.7" models outsold the 5.5" models by a sharp margin. When will Apple realize that adding features won't compel people to get a gigantic phone? If you want to make a more expensive "Pro" model, that's fine, but offer it in a 4.7" size as well. I'd gladly pay extra for the additional features, but I don't (and won't) want a massive phone.
 
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