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whenever Apple ports their app to some 3rd party device, is it always the Apple TV app and not TV+? I don't need their thing that pulls content from different services together, I just want TV+. I guess that's not going to happen?
 
So I’ve watched at least 8 shows of ‘practically nothing’? Interesting use of my time. Also, the fact that it has less than other services, doesn’t make it pointless.
More power to you that you can spend so much time watching mediocre content!
 
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So moving from one service with all the steaming content for £10/month to over a dozen is better for consumers? Every company needs a slice of the pie? They can't work together and make a unified experience where all the content is in one place and comes out of one bill?
That’s called cable
 
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That’s called cable

No 'cable' as you call it has ads, schedules, and channels. Netflix had the full range of content from old movies, TV shows, to newer stuff. Then it slowly lost content and now the same content it used to have is on a dozen services all wanting the same monthly sub with slightly more terrible UI/UX, and 'originals' that are uninteresting.

The best experience just now is to just buy the shows on iTunes and have everything in one clean UI.
 
The best experience just now is to just buy the shows on iTunes and have everything in one clean UI.

It's cheaper and more bang for the buck to subscribe to a VOD service than to outright buy the shows on iTunes. The reason why this is not possible today is simply because of content rights. The studios are infamous for wanting control of them.
 
So moving from one service with all the steaming content for £10/month to over a dozen is better for consumers? Every company needs a slice of the pie? They can't work together and make a unified experience where all the content is in one place and comes out of one bill?
That's not how the economy works, nor capitalism. That's like suggesting Disney World needs to include IP from other companies or Burger King needs to include Mcdonalds recipes so that consumers get a more unified customer experience.

Netflix was able to have all the content because it was extremely early to the streaming party. Now everyone sees the success of the business model and wants a piece of the action, thus fragmentation. That happens in literally every single industry since time immemorial. This was happening (in different forms) in the 1600's with the tulip sale scam and the gold rush.
 
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Just because you throw piles of money at something doesn’t mean it becomes a good idea. Not that I hate these shows or anything (I haven’t watched them and I’m not the target audience), but just because Apple is willing to put a bunch of money into TV+ doesn’t make it a more valiant or moral enterprise from the rest of the entertainment industry.

That’s all I can evaluate it on. I have no interest in anything on Apple TV+ because I don’t watch television. From my perspective, there’s been no “killer app” that is making people sign up in droves. Maybe you will be right, but the money doesn’t purchase artistry.
I'm not the target audience for many of these shows but I ended up enjoying the hell out of them nonetheless. Apple threw tons of money at incredibly talented productions and the end result speaks for itself. Nearly all TV+ shows are better than anything on any other streaming platform for 2020.
 
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Will I be able to purchase and watch media from iTunes store?
Isn't this service directly compete with Sony that has their own media store?
Will Apple pay Sony 15% subscription cut and 30% on media sales?
 
So moving from one service with all the steaming content for £10/month to over a dozen is better for consumers? Every company needs a slice of the pie? They can't work together and make a unified experience where all the content is in one place and comes out of one bill?
Do please let me know when Netflix starts making their content available to other streaming companies.

In the meantime, can we stop pretending that Netflix ever had "all the content"? Or that replacing an ad-supported $100 cable package with one ad-free $10 streaming service is some soft of sustainable business model for film and TV production?
 
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Do please let me know when Netflix starts making their content available to other streaming companies.

In the meantime, can we stop pretending that Netflix ever had "all the content"? Or that replacing an ad-supported $100 cable package with one ad-free $10 streaming service is some soft of sustainable business model for film and TV production?

Narcos will be on PLuto TV soon
 
The new Apple TV box is expected to be a Microsoft Game Pass'esque experience in Apple Arcade and they reportedly have multiple AAA mainstream games coming to Arcade for $5/month. This will be enabled due to the expected high end ARM chip and a new Apple TV Arcade gaming controller accessory.

Also, you an already use either an Xbox controller or PS Dualshock controller with current Apple TVs. If I was playing Apple Arcade now, that's what I would use.

hahahaha I take it you have never seen what's on GamePass, have you? No way Apple is coming even close like that....AAA game makers are building for PC / Console X86 architecture, while only the Switch has an ARM chip. Porting AAA games to a potential new Apple TV is not gonna happen anytime soon. Mac has never been about serious gaming, doubt Apple TV or iPad will, despite processor power.
 
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hahahaha I take it you have never seen what's on GamePass, have you? No way Apple is coming even close like that....AAA game makers are building for PC / Console X86 architecture, while only the Switch has an ARM chip. Porting AAA games to a potential new Apple TV is not gonna happen anytime soon. Mac has never been about serious gaming, doubt Apple TV or iPad will, despite processor power.
Thats why I said ‘esque. My point is that Apple is ramping it up and moving away from only casual or light games.

Also, I expect it to work with game streaming like Stadia. (But with a much better business model).
 
Question I have - will Apple be offering Apple TV+ subscriptions through IAP through the PS store and the XBOX store if the rumors are true that they are also working on an app for XBOX?
 
It's irrelevant. Those shows could have been put on Netflix. The is no need to continue to segment the streaming market when there was already a service you could put your shows on.
From Apple's perspective, there is a point, vertical integration like everyone else is doing. Now we have things like Disney+, great content on a third-rate platform (seriously why does spacebar not pause the show on there??). I hope that huge corps losing their focus and doing all these other projects will bite them in the long run, but so far it's not happened.

The market was satisfyingly specialized in 2010-2015-ish with content producers only making content and streaming providers only streaming it. I kept saying it wouldn't last.
 
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Exactly! Competition sucks! Netflix monopoly all the way! The cable monopolies were great for consumers! /s
It's the other way around. Netflix didn't have a monopoly. We had a choice of streaming providers for any given show. Now Apple wants a "monopoly" on whatever exclusive shows they serve, same with Netflix and Amazon.

But I don't really care. There's still competition in who can make the best shows. And also I barely watch TV, haha.
 
So why do you even need an Apple TV anymore?

Are they foreshadowing the end of the product?
Maybe. They also released AirPlay for third-party devices a couple of years ago. Personally I've never found the ATV very useful unless you just want to use the iTunes Store like my parents do, which is a legit use, but still kinda niche.
 
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Why restrict it to the PS4 and PS5 only. Make it available on PS3 as well?

Meanwhile Netflix plays on practically every platform/device. Apple should aim to do the same.
 
Apple Arcade and Fitness+ still are Apple TV only. You get the Apple "experience" by using an actual Apple TV. If I read the tea leaves correctly, Apple is expected to launch new Apple TVs by March 2021, so Apple TV is clearly not going anywhere. They just want to allow all audiences to watch TV+. I can't imagine the cast and producers of the many excellent TV+ shows want their content locked within the Apple ecosystem exclusively.

Also, TV+ has been available for Fire, Roku, and many smart TVs for at least 5 months now.
Great points, I wouldn’t want the AppleTV to go anywhere. Maybe only a bit down in price.

There’s one thing that I can’t really fully point out but the PS4 makes me want to turn it off when going to watch passive content... I think it’s because there are menus that can come from the from the sides, the top, pressing the controller’s middle buttons and more menus and settings come out, arrangement of available things is ever horizontal, etc

The PS2 had two options at the starting screen, the PS3 XMB wasn’t that bad, the PS4 just continued the decline... for me at least, I never find back where things are every time I come back to it.

The AppleTV interface is miles more streamlined for watching movies. And although the PS4 controller is quite nice, the Siri Remote offers a similar experience overhaul... it only has six buttons in a way that feels uncrowded and out of which 2 of them are for volume control but it does get a lot of justifiable flak.
 
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