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Interesting how the TV OS business has heated up. Roku, Android TV, webOS (LG) and Tizen (Samsung.)
 
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The TV app on my Macs is terrible for me, it often quits out in the middle of the show. I haven't had the problem with the iOS app. I would be interested to see how it performs on Android.
 
This is welcome news for sure, as I just ditched my ancient, slow Apple TV 3 in favor of a Verizon Stream box that they gave me for free.

One question, though: will it allow AirPlay on Android TV? I'm fairly certain the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask.
 
I would be curious to know how many subscribers they have who do not own any Apple devices.
I have an iPad, iPhone and a bunch of Macs but didn’t want to watch the show until I could on a TV. I use SHIELD (NVIDIA Android TV) as my TV box and didn’t even know about this announcement. I have been wanting to watch Ted Lasso for a while now and randomly checked to see if there is a Roku app for Apple TV and turns out there was according to Apple’s website (I have a Roku TV), but was surprised to see Google TV and Android TV listed. I wondered how long it has been available and was kind of upset at myself for not checking earlier. Turns out this is just a recently released app.

Anyway I watched episode one of Lasso yesterday, on my SHIELD.
 
Apple had the lead a long time ago with Apple TV2. If they had come out with regular upgrades without increasing the price and also a streaming stick option, they could have owned the market. Instead, it languished for years.
 
We forget too quickly that the iPhone was a poor seller compared to the competition (see Blackberry, Nokia). Apple had to lower the price because it wasn’t selling, Steve Jobs apologizing. How many times have you seen Apple panic-cutting prices since? Took several years to really take off. Slow and steady.

Same goes for the iPod, limited to the Mac and Firewire devices. Slow and steady, won the race.
flawed thinking. Everyone was talking about the iPhone when it was release. By its second year, it was subsidized and a huge hit. Same with iPod.

nobody is talking about Apple TV+, two years later.
 
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this is weird... I've had Apple TV on my Sony x900h (via android tv) for the past 4 or 5 months?
Yeah, as I mentioned above, I've had it on my X900H for the last 2 months. I only bought the TV 2 months ago though so I don't know how long before that AppleTV+ arrived on the X900H.
 
Why is this news? Had this for a while now on my x900h 🤷🏻‍♂️

Anyway, the AppleTV app is very nice! Dolby Vision/Atmos is supported and it’s great to have access to my library. Good UX but needs a little polish. No premium experience like on Apple TV, but overall, it’s alright 👍🏼

I just wish there was a Apple Music client on Android TV as well. Maybe someday…
 
This is welcome news for sure, as I just ditched my ancient, slow Apple TV 3 in favor of a Verizon Stream box that they gave me for free.

One question, though: will it allow AirPlay on Android TV? I'm fairly certain the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask.
Most TVs now a days support airplay 2.
Yeah, as I mentioned above, I've had it on my X900H for the last 2 months. I only bought the TV 2 months ago though so I don't know how long before that AppleTV+ arrived on the X900H.
when I bought the x900h last year in September, there was no Apple TV app. It had air play 2 and home kit but no Apple TV app. I asked Sony and they said use airplay. Then 1-2 months later they released the Apple TV app as part of a firmware update. I think Sony worked with Apple or vice versa and side loaded this app as part of the Sony firmware instead of google play store. But now it is part of google play store.
 
This is welcome news for sure, as I just ditched my ancient, slow Apple TV 3 in favor of a Verizon Stream box that they gave me for free.

One question, though: will it allow AirPlay on Android TV? I'm fairly certain the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask.
AirPlay availability depends on the TV make/model and if it’s decided/licensed to be baked in by the manufacturer.

Sony offers it on most recent models that run on Android TV. I have the x900h and it had with my old Mac running Catalina to my iPP.
 
when I bought the x900h last year in September, there was no Apple TV app. It had air play 2 and home kit but no Apple TV app. I asked Sony and they said use airplay. Then 1-2 months later they released the Apple TV app as part of a firmware update. I think Sony worked with Apple or vice versa and side loaded this app as part of the Sony firmware instead of google play store. But now it is part of google play store.
Interestingly, the replacement to the X900H, the X90J, got a Disney+ button on the remote, but no Apple TV+ button.

I guess that shouldn't be a big surprise, given that Disney+ has gotten a lot more paid subscribers than Apple TV+.
 
We forget too quickly that the iPhone was a poor seller compared to the competition (see Blackberry, Nokia). Apple had to lower the price because it wasn’t selling, Steve Jobs apologizing. How many times have you seen Apple panic-cutting prices since? Took several years to really take off. Slow and steady.

Same goes for the iPod, limited to the Mac and Firewire devices. Slow and steady, won the race.

Maps isn’t winning any race yet but it improved steadily and in my area at least it’s by leaps and bounds better than the competitor.

Chips, slowly and steadily won the race in historic fashion.

Wearables? Slow and steady, now it’s Apple’s own starting from basically nothing (had to acquire Beats).

And many more. Slow and steady improvements are what made Apple the behemoth it is now, and TV+ will make no exception.
flawed thinking. Everyone was talking about the iPhone when it was release. By its second year, it was subsidized and a huge hit. Same with iPod.

nobody is talking about Apple TV+, two years later.

@Amacfa is right here in my opinion - I'm not sure what @djcerla is driving at in his bit.

At what point are we describing the mess that Aperture became before it was unceremoniously canned slow and steady? Or the various overpriced side projects like iPod Hi Fi and HomePod?

AppleTV itself spent years languishing and theoretically on the scrap heap before the recent updates - that's no way to bring people in.

Maps is still way behind Google Maps overall - remember Apple tried to buy Waze before Google nipped in and bought it.

Apple have had to pivot from Beyonce led high fashion gold Apple Watch into the fitness device it is today and yes you mention the purchase of Beats but that was mainly to get the Music rights and execs to eventually launch Apple Music.

This is the Apple Music which is only now trying to get into paid-for Podcasting - before they completely squander an inherited lead in podcasting they have somehow held on to despite their relative perceived lack of maintenance.

The AppleTV app appearing on third party TVs is one thing, AirPlay appearing on some TVs is another. Neither will make AppleTV+ a successful product that people will pay for (rather than look at for free because they bought an iPhone).

The calculation here is similar to the iPod back in the day, by switching from Firewire to USB and then releasing iTunes for Windows Apple made it possible for PC users to buy into the 'cool' and easy to use iPod of the time. What Apple need to do now is make sure that there's a reason for people to subscribe to AppleTV+.

Say what you like about the value of a back catalogue of IP which you can adapt TV series out of, but that sort of thing brings people on board to watch your new content. But do you then have enough quality content to keep people there?

For Apple users it might get traction if it's part of the Apple One bundle but that's a value calculation that everyone will make.

For me, the fact that Apple looked at MGM but decided not to compete with Amazon Prime tells me that they are more interested in their own content but they aren't spending fast enough to make AppleTV+ a compelling enough product. Other people have criticised the content on offer and the fact that Apple's execs aren't pushing the service hard enough with investment.

The danger is that the slow spending won't convert into the profit levels required as people write off AppleTV+ once the free trial period is up.

If they had - for example - bought Sony Pictures Entertainment (if it was ever on sale) they might have had some IP with which to drive subscribers to the service.

Apple will continue to struggle against the big juggernauts of Amazon Prime and Netflix if they continue to be a boutique service.

Let's not forget that another cornerstone of the Apple One bundle - Apple Arcade - is (for my uneducated eye) full of flimsy lightweight titles which aren't worth $5 a month for occasional use. It (unsurprisingly) doesn't have the AAA titles that you might find on Sony or Microsoft consoles either (not that they would ever go into the Arcade bundle but Apple won't get taken seriously as a games platform without something big). There's no stand out title that everyone is playing. So how exactly does slow and steady win that particular race? People are just going to unsubscribe or never buy into it in the first place.

So once again as a user I'm not really too interested - why would I buy the base tier Apple One product if I watched everything on AppleTV+ that I wanted to see during my trial year and there's nothing on Apple Arcade of interest? What if the iCloud storage amount is trifling and most people then prefer Spotify over Apple Music itself?

Apple can fix AppleTV+ with some fast acquisitions, Apple Arcade will take longer but needs a braver update than 2021 AppleTV brought us. Only with Apple Music do we have something that could compete with Spotify. Apple allegedly pay the artists more too but for me the Apple One package doesn't make sense. The top tier Apple News+ and 2Tb iCloud data tier might have been interesting but, like a cable subscription, you need to pay for everything else to get what you really wanted.
 
@Amacfa is right here in my opinion - I'm not sure what @djcerla is driving at in his bit.

At what point are we describing the mess that Aperture became before it was unceremoniously canned slow and steady? Or the various overpriced side projects like iPod Hi Fi and HomePod?

AppleTV itself spent years languishing and theoretically on the scrap heap before the recent updates - that's no way to bring people in.

Maps is still way behind Google Maps overall - remember Apple tried to buy Waze before Google nipped in and bought it.

Apple have had to pivot from Beyonce led high fashion gold Apple Watch into the fitness device it is today and yes you mention the purchase of Beats but that was mainly to get the Music rights and execs to eventually launch Apple Music.

This is the Apple Music which is only now trying to get into paid-for Podcasting - before they completely squander an inherited lead in podcasting they have somehow held on to despite their relative perceived lack of maintenance.

The AppleTV app appearing on third party TVs is one thing, AirPlay appearing on some TVs is another. Neither will make AppleTV+ a successful product that people will pay for (rather than look at for free because they bought an iPhone).

The calculation here is similar to the iPod back in the day, by switching from Firewire to USB and then releasing iTunes for Windows Apple made it possible for PC users to buy into the 'cool' and easy to use iPod of the time. What Apple need to do now is make sure that there's a reason for people to subscribe to AppleTV+.

Say what you like about the value of a back catalogue of IP which you can adapt TV series out of, but that sort of thing brings people on board to watch your new content. But do you then have enough quality content to keep people there?

For Apple users it might get traction if it's part of the Apple One bundle but that's a value calculation that everyone will make.

For me, the fact that Apple looked at MGM but decided not to compete with Amazon Prime tells me that they are more interested in their own content but they aren't spending fast enough to make AppleTV+ a compelling enough product. Other people have criticised the content on offer and the fact that Apple's execs aren't pushing the service hard enough with investment.

The danger is that the slow spending won't convert into the profit levels required as people write off AppleTV+ once the free trial period is up.

If they had - for example - bought Sony Pictures Entertainment (if it was ever on sale) they might have had some IP with which to drive subscribers to the service.

Apple will continue to struggle against the big juggernauts of Amazon Prime and Netflix if they continue to be a boutique service.

Let's not forget that another cornerstone of the Apple One bundle - Apple Arcade - is (for my uneducated eye) full of flimsy lightweight titles which aren't worth $5 a month for occasional use. It (unsurprisingly) doesn't have the AAA titles that you might find on Sony or Microsoft consoles either (not that they would ever go into the Arcade bundle but Apple won't get taken seriously as a games platform without something big). There's no stand out title that everyone is playing. So how exactly does slow and steady win that particular race? People are just going to unsubscribe or never buy into it in the first place.

So once again as a user I'm not really too interested - why would I buy the base tier Apple One product if I watched everything on AppleTV+ that I wanted to see during my trial year and there's nothing on Apple Arcade of interest? What if the iCloud storage amount is trifling and most people then prefer Spotify over Apple Music itself?

Apple can fix AppleTV+ with some fast acquisitions, Apple Arcade will take longer but needs a braver update than 2021 AppleTV brought us. Only with Apple Music do we have something that could compete with Spotify. Apple allegedly pay the artists more too but for me the Apple One package doesn't make sense. The top tier Apple News+ and 2Tb iCloud data tier might have been interesting but, like a cable subscription, you need to pay for everything else to get what you really wanted.

I’m not sure atv+ can be fixed. Or if it’s even a failure in the eyes of apple. Again people are simply comparing its content and value vs others. And apple couldn’t care less about these comparisons.

Apple is looking at how much revenue it’s helping to bring in via selling subs of its competitors and keeping 30%. That is the purpose of the tv app. Apple wants you to get HBO Disney etc through them. They love it. This is apple getting a piece of the pie which is all Cook said they wanted.

At least 50 million people are using the atv app (which is basically an apple store) as subscribers whether free or paid. I think of any original content does as merely a sweetener to get people using the store tv app. Obviously they don’t intend it to be Netflix. Apple will never spend anymore then they have to on content.
 
Oooooh finally! That made my Apple TV completely redundant now
Haha right?! My brother just bought the new Apple TV, and I have been singing the Nvidia Shield TV’s praises for months. The upscaling is just amazing, and while I think most exclusive shows on Apple TV+ are shot in 4K anyway (someone please correct me if I am wrong), it still makes me happy I don’t need to use my PS5 to watch them now. The Nvidia Shield is a beast of a device, and worlds better than the Apple TV.

And to the guy downvoting everybody singing the Nvidia’s praises, get off your high horse.
 
I would be curious to know how many subscribers they have who do not own any Apple devices.
My gf has two Macs, an iPhone, and a work Mac. And a 2020/21 Android smart TV that does the job, but was lacking the ATV+ app until now.

There is no nice and easy way to get the stuff on the big tv from iphone/mac.
 
Is this only on select TVs, or select countries? I'm in the UK, and my Sony TV is on Android 8.0.0 and the App doesn't show up in the Play Store
 
the Apple TV app on my Samsung TV is limited in that it doesn't allow for iTunes extras for my purchased movies etc. I know the Apple TV device does, and the iPhone/iPad etc but can iTunes extras be viewed on the AndroidOS app?

This is why I bought an Apple TV. Yes you can see + on other devices, but when you buy movies, rent movies, or just buy TV shows, you can just watch them via Itunes and Apple TV and they aren't available anywhere else. If there was a movie or TV show I really really like, I would buy it and I still like renting from Itunes.
 
AirPlay availability depends on the TV make/model and if it’s decided/licensed to be baked in by the manufacturer.

Sony offers it on most recent models that run on Android TV. I have the x900h and it had with my old Mac running Catalina to my iPP.
Seems that it's irrelevant to me now, as the free Verizon Stream box I have doesn't even support the Apple TV app at all.
 
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