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Why ? What app do you need that's only available on iOS and doesn't have a much more full featured OS X equivalent ?

Cards
iMessage
Find My Friends
iBooks
Air Video Player

... and I'm sure I could think of more... There are plenty of apps that iOS has that OSX has no equivalent, let alone a more full-featured version.
 
Fake

You fail once again. Steve Troughton-Smith is a reputable developer. If you followed him on Twitter, you'd know that he's been working on this project (porting iOS apps to ATV2) for a while, and it's not something he just threw out there to get attention. That would just be silly.

Trying to disprove your suspicions would be a waste of time, that's why no one had bothered to do it.

I am sure he has been working on this, and i have no doubt that a hack like this is possible, but this is a rumours site, and rumours have the potential to not be true.
My observation is from the video itself, where there is no proof that the apple tv is doing this work.
It just seems too choreographed.
but many will not want to see/hear this is a fake as they want to believe (sure thats an xfiles line)
 
Just curious what the latest word is on the 3rd GEN Apple TV and when it may come out.

Anyone have any info or speculation?

Thanks!
 
My observation is from the video itself, where there is no proof that the apple tv is doing this work.
It just seems too choreographed.
but many will not want to see/hear this is a fake as they want to believe (sure thats an xfiles line)

You just don't quit do you? Let's see: on one hand - a reputable developer with a track record of Apple hacks (e.g. Siri proxy).. On the other hand - some random guy who thinks he is owed "a proof". Guess what? You lose.
 
They don't. Anyone with a good eye can tell the screen images are distorted in those pics, just like people taking their 4:3 TV shows and playing them stretched on their HDTVs.

Okay, you have to be trolling me now. Article image, keyboard, not stretched.
 
Okay, you have to be trolling me now. Article image, keyboard, not stretched.

No, dude.

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  • Look at the fonts. All squat.
  • Look at the guy's head in the lower right. Looks elongated.
  • Shouldn't the Apple keyboard have square keys? Not rectangular?
  • Look at the fact the iPhone and iPad are 4:3 displays -- so none of their interface artwork, or Apps artwork, is drawn for a 16:9 aspect ratio display.

Also, the shot is at an angle. Foreshortening the stretch so it's not as noticeable as if you were looking straight-on at the display.
 
No, dude.

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  • Look at the fonts. All squat.
  • Look at the guy's head in the lower right. Looks elongated.
  • Shouldn't the Apple keyboard have square keys? Not rectangular?
  • Look at the fact the iPhone and iPad are 4:3 displays -- so none of their interface artwork, or Apps artwork, is drawn for a 16:9 aspect ratio display.

Also, the shot is at an angle. Foreshortening the stretch so it's not as noticeable as if you were looking straight-on at the display.

Look very carefully at the keyboard. Now look very carefully at the keyboard that is stretched across the width of the screen.

If you looked carefully enough, you'll see that the latter isn't there.

EDIT: fine, let me explain myself. In every instance of iOS, the keyboard extends to both sides of the screen. In the photo, it's clearly not. The split iPad keyboard still sticks to both left and right.

More evidence? If it was really simply stretched, then in the video, a lot of the elements wouldn't have all the padding to the left and right on centred items, see 2:25 when the youtube app is open.
 
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Source on it being expensive? Or is that more "analyst speculation from an anonymous reliable source with ties to a Chinese part maker" that led us to stories of the iPad and 5-inch iPhone 5?

The original post had two pertinent words in it:

'EXPENSIVE' in that, I would say that bets are on that as soon as the Apple-branded TVs come to market, the 'Just a hobby' TV will magically disappear from the shelves; and there is NO WAY that the TV screens aren't going to be a premium product - Apple just doesn't do average or budget.

Which will mean that you will need to buy as Apple screen in order to enjoy the 'EXCLUSIVE' content that Apple are going to be peddling on this thing. So there you are - you can go down the cheaper, preferred route - buy an TV (while you can) and plug it into your existing TV - or the EXPENSIVE route - buy a new TV!

Discuss!
 
I think AppleTV apps will only be released when Apple release TVs at certain sizes so they have control over resolution which they can then pass onto the developer for easier app building. They wouldn't release apps on the ATV as it stands as there is a multitude of TV sizes and resolutions which would lead to a crappy experience for the end user if their TV is not the right, aspect ratio, resolution etc.

Build the hardware and software = problem solved.
 
Apple's had game controllers before...

Yes, I have "touched game controllers" - longer than probably you've been alive... :rolleyes:

ORLY - I started gaming on an Atari VCS2600. So shed some light on the timeframe before that. BTW I remember using the special edition paddle controllers for Indy500, which were different than the usual paddles on the VCS you used for breakout-style games.

Great personal insult on your part.

Now could you please explain how to control those AppleTV games...I mean really respond to Knight's argument that it's pointless to use a non-tactile-feedback touch-device (you have to look at to be in control) to control your TV screen.

Honestly the only thing working are racers using the gyros - which is kind of dumb on it's own and bound to not work (e.g. Lair on the PS3 was a major flop because it relied on the gyros in the Sixaxis to control the dragons).

In short: Could you please stop insulting people's intelligence and start responding to the usual claim - that this idea is kind of pointless unless the part of controlling the game is worked out.

The only way I would see this working is the clunky workaround that your fingers touching your iOS handheld device are projected on the big screen as dark dots - so you have a visual feedback on using the controls.

Go ahead. Tell me more about it.
 
This is nice from a cost prospective but today can't you use an iPhone 4S or iPad 2 to display to your TV using Apple TV. You can play Angry Birds or use Safari on your TV today using your iPhone/iPad as your controller and without wires.
 
So he's an infallible robot who is incapable of making mistakes?
Was that what I said? No. But arn typically knows his stuff when it comes to Apple-related rumors. In this case he even knows the dev working on this project. When someone with no facts proceeds to argue with someone knowledgable of facts, it doesn't go well for the person bringing nothing to the table other than his "gut." As in this case.

So, to summarize: arn > random forum newbie.
 
Cards
iMessage
Find My Friends
iBooks
Air Video Player

... and I'm sure I could think of more... There are plenty of apps that iOS has that OSX has no equivalent, let alone a more full-featured version.

Those have plenty of alternatives and more full featured on OS X. Some even support Apple's proprietary content and protocols, like Airplay. For iMessage, there's plenty of instant messenging clients and protocols, tons of possibilities to read books, epubs, pdfs etc..

No, really. Aside from games (and pretty much any of them have better counterparts on OS X), there's just no reason to try to simulate iOS apps on OS X that I can see.

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I think AppleTV apps will only be released when Apple release TVs at certain sizes so they have control over resolution which they can then pass onto the developer for easier app building. They wouldn't release apps on the ATV as it stands as there is a multitude of TV sizes and resolutions which would lead to a crappy experience for the end user if their TV is not the right, aspect ratio, resolution etc.

You're being sarcastic right ? It's not like TVs have many resolutions to begin with...

And size does not matter.

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Apple's had game controllers before...

Uh ? Again, you're quite failing to understand my post.

I was talking about this specific hack, which requires you to use your iDevice to control the apps. This is about useless for games. Of course, I'd expect Apple to come out with a proper controller if they had a proper solution to apps on AppleTV (just like Google did for GoogleTV when they brought apps to it officially).

That's twice now.
 
I really hope they incorporate this into Apple TV.

Or pair apple TV functionality to your iOS device. Similar to a terminal server for your apple device.
 
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Atv3 with quad core a6, more ram and big hdd will have sony, microsoft and nintendo worried. But I do think the reason apple wont add all of these functions soon is because of the apple tv set coming soon (speculative i know) i mean who would buy an expensive apple tv set if u could buy all the functions in a box for $99?
 
i mean who would buy an expensive apple tv set if u could buy all the functions in a box for $99?

And that's really why an Apple TV set makes no sense. A 99$ set top box that provides all the same functionality of a TV set aside from a display monitor reaches a far broader audience. Why would Apple bother with incorporating a monitor ? We all have these big hulking monitors at home already, in various sizes.
 
And that's really why an Apple TV set makes no sense. A 99$ set top box that provides all the same functionality of a TV set aside from a display monitor reaches a far broader audience. Why would Apple bother with incorporating a monitor ? We all have these big hulking monitors at home already, in various sizes.

Well, and beyond that, conventional logic tells you that separating the brain from the face allows you to upgrade either independently.

I see only three possible reasons to marry them.

The brain is so unbelievably cheap it adds no real cost to the face.

The features are so unbelievably complicated they have to be designed / calibrated per face. (seems very unlikely)

The content providers require that the content be tracked by brain and face as one unit. IE the iPod problem.

Only option 2 makes it "impossible" to just use a computer hooked up to the face to get the same effect.
 
I see only three possible reasons to marry them.

The brain is so unbelievably cheap it adds no real cost to the face.

You see that as a reason to marry them ? Quite the contrary, I see that as even more of a reason to un-couple them! If the "brain" is so cheap, sell it independantly with a HDMI interface. Then it becomes an impulse buy and you reach and even broader audience!

The features are so unbelievably complicated they have to be designed / calibrated per face. (seems very unlikely)

Especially in light of all the rumors that have yet to show such a feature.

The content providers require that the content be tracked by brain and face as one unit. IE the iPod problem.

HDCP fixed that ages ago. You're left with the analog hole, which is there in both systems.

So I really don't see it.
 
You see that as a reason to marry them ? Quite the contrary, I see that as even more of a reason to un-couple them! If the "brain" is so cheap, sell it independantly with a HDMI interface. Then it becomes an impulse buy and you reach and even broader audience!

I disagree. There will be an added cost in separating them in packaging, cables, power plugs, etc. If it makes more sense to separate them, why are all TVs coming with NetFlix apps built in these days? If customers want the feature, and it's cheap, bundle it with your product and make your money on the screen. This may surprise you, but not everyone knows what HDMI is and would consider someone trying to sell them a cable to be a scam.

HDCP fixed that ages ago.

You know a lot about technology, and that's fine, that's your strong suit. But these are Movie companies we are talking about here. These are the people who suggested SOPA to the US Government. If they could require a retina scan and blood test before you watched something you paid for, they would do it.
 
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