Apple TV is such an embarrassment for Apple.

[danny842003]

So you believe Apple should make a controller for the Apple TV for people who don't want a PC, don't want a current gen console, don't want the Nintendo franchise catalogue, who want something better than an iPhone game?

This doesn't sound like a huge market for Apple to be investing in.

 

[d21mike]

The Nintendo has 2 games. It will fail as well (starting in 2018 sales will decline massively). But anyway, you're wrong, people do want that, as I told you games are by a factor of like 10, the most downloaded apps, and people want actual games and kids want actual games, but they can't have them due to lack of a controller, and no one buys MFi controllers. A first party Apple controller = massive developer resurgence and increased sales.

See, parents would be all over it if it offered that to kids because Apple could put an A11 in it, charge $249 with a controller and parents would flock to it for their kids. Anyway, you clearly don't get this so there is no reason for further discussion on it.

This is why I say they need multiple models. Not everyone wants a gaming machine but I think a lot do. I ordered an iPad Pro 12" with 512gb. We should have a option for a ATV with 1tb of storage and a fast processor and bundled with a controller. But I believe they really need to work with developers on this IN APP PURCHASE SCAM. No other game machine does this that I am aware of.

 

[9594864]

This is why I say they need multiple models. Not everyone wants a gaming machine but I think a lot do. I ordered an iPad Pro 12" with 512gb. We should have a option for a ATV with 1tb of storage and a fast processor and bundled with a controller. But I believe they really need to work with developers on this IN APP PURCHASE SCAM. No other game machine does this that I am aware of.

Yes, I think there should be Apple TV and Apple TV Play or Plus. The regular of course has less RAM, storage, older A series chip and doesn't come bundled with a controller, while the other does. However, the controller would be sold separately so it's available for all Apple TVs as well.

 

[unobtainium]

Look at the garbage Nintendo switch...I mean come on it's so simple.

Lol wut. The Switch is far from garbage, it's the most fun console I've ever owned -- for precisely the design reasons you're going on about. It's simply well designed and fun. The Apple TV would not be a Switch competitor even if it had a controller, because it's not portable. And no, switching off to an iPhone or iPad wouldn't offer the same level of ease as the Switch.

 

[Robnsn2015]

This is why I say they need multiple models. Not everyone wants a gaming machine but I think a lot do. I ordered an iPad Pro 12" with 512gb. We should have a option for a ATV with 1tb of storage and a fast processor and bundled with a controller. But I believe they really need to work with developers on this IN APP PURCHASE SCAM. No other game machine does this that I am aware of.

No other game machine has a plethora of games for less than $5, either. Good luck finding games at that price point on an Xbox One...

 

[unobtainium]

I'm not referring to PS4 and Xbox One graphics. I'm referring to something along the lines of the Nintendo Switch. By console-quality I mean games which are played at home and are not cheap casual mobile games.

The Apple TV couldn't compete with Switch graphics either. Not in its current state, maybe with future upgrades.

 

[danny842003]

This is why I say they need multiple models. Not everyone wants a gaming machine but I think a lot do. I ordered an iPad Pro 12" with 512gb. We should have a option for a ATV with 1tb of storage and a fast processor and bundled with a controller. But I believe they really need to work with developers on this IN APP PURCHASE SCAM. No other game machine does this that I am aware of.

Loads of devs do it. Even full $100 titles have in app purchases.
EA male heaps from FUT. rockstar have made billions from shark cards for online GTA.

 

[boltjames]

It was funny thinking Apple had a great idea for the new device before it launched in 2015, only to realize upon unveiling that they have one of their worst teams working on it, and none of them have a clue. From the remote design to the lack of innumerable features that a group of high school students would have thought of, it was just crazy bad. Now, almost 2 years later they've gotten most of the software features that should've been there at launch, but the terrible remote likely isn't changing anytime soon.

I think their hardware design teams are by far the best, but the remote is the one design that is simply unintelligent. A group of intelligent humans should understand what a remote should be from its design ergonomics to its usability and button layout. This remote is truly their worst design, and I mean I hope Jony's team didn't have anything to do with it, but I'm sure they had everything to do with it. They got it wrong, and that's fine, but when you make a mistake you should fix it, which won't happen of course.

The Amazon remote is ergonomically intelligent design, whereas Apple's is not. It is asymmetrical in grip and therefore simple to grab without the thought required when you use an Apple remote. It's buttons and layout are poor, but those are actually of second importance to the ergonomics. Finally, the touch control is simply too inaccurate and finicky to be intuitive design.

Lastly, Apple remains oblivious to the really massive market they are electively losing and that is gaming. The device could be very good for gaming, but they seem to think that people want this device that does virtually the same exact thing as all TVs do, now. All they have to do is create an Apple designed gaming controller and immediately all developers would start creating games and people would buy it far more. Look at the garbage Nintendo switch...I mean come on it's so simple.

Stop. I used to believe some of this rubbish and then I got a smart TV with Roku built-in and, let me tell you, it's awful on many levels, from the slow menus to the lack of a volume control.

But worst of all are the apps themselves, there's no consistency, you need to learn how to play/pause/skip differently for each one, and they are very sluggish. Whatever protocol and standards Apple holds it's third-party app designers accountable to is the biggest win for Apple. Apple TV rocks.

 

[dorje]

You'd think with more than $200B in the bank (offshore) Apple would be able to afford to "upgrade" the Apple TV to 21st Century ethernet.

 

[garglebutt]

The Nintendo has 2 games. It will fail as well (starting in 2018 sales will decline massively). But anyway, you're wrong, people do want that, as I told you games are by a factor of like 10, the most downloaded apps, and people want actual games and kids want actual games, but they can't have them due to lack of a controller, and no one buys MFi controllers. A first party Apple controller = massive developer resurgence and increased sales.

See, parents would be all over it if it offered that to kids because Apple could put an A11 in it, charge $249 with a controller and parents would flock to it for their kids. Anyway, you clearly don't get this so there is no reason for further discussion on it.

Wow you really are completely out of touch with reality. You're either trolling or just plain ignorant.

Nintendo has very different market approach to other gaming companies and I continue to be amazed at how they can continue to sell out of consoles with so few games available. Having played Zelda and MK8 I can see how a couple of top of their class games can make the console so desirable. Demand will increase in 2018 as they add more A+ games to their stable. In the months ahead we'll continue to read about console shortages for Nintendo. No other console supplier will have that problem.

Although I have no market data on game use on ATV (and nor do you), it's clean easy to use interface makes it a pleasure to use and intuitive for luddites. Most people who buy an ATV4 want an elegant front end to various streaming services, not games. I'm sure Apple would like more developers to produce engaging games to play on the device but that's not where they're making money.

 

[rillrill]

The remote is absolutely the best thing about the ATV. Patching it into my stereo to control the volume allows me to only use it as a sole remote. It also turns on my TV.

What absolutely SUCKS about the ATV is single sign on. My cable provider doesn't work with it, and signing in randomly to apps is such a pain, I really only use HBO and Netflix (they don't sign you out). Hopefully this Fall, Apple has something to fix this problem.

 

[9594864]

Wow you really are completely out of touch with reality. You're either trolling or just plain ignorant.

Nintendo has very different market approach to other gaming companies and I continue to be amazed at how they can continue to sell out of consoles with so few games available. Having played Zelda and MK8 I can see how a couple of top of their class games can make the console so desirable. Demand will increase in 2018 as they add more A+ games to their stable. In the months ahead we'll continue to read about console shortages for Nintendo. No other console supplier will have that problem.

Although I have no market data on game use on ATV (and nor do you), it's clean easy to use interface makes it a pleasure to use and intuitive for luddites. Most people who buy an ATV4 want an elegant front end to various streaming services, not games. I'm sure Apple would like more developers to produce engaging games to play on the device but that's not where they're making money.

Nintendo Switch sales will decline sharply after Mario. No one wants that piece of trash for anything but those two games. Watch it happen.

Secondly, as I stated and apparently you're unaware of also; Apple has specifically stated that games are by far the most downloaded apps on Apple TV. That is from Apple themselves. Enjoy reality.

 

[danny842003]

Nintendo Switch sales will decline sharply after Mario. No one wants that piece of trash for anything but those two games. Watch it happen.

Secondly, as I stated and apparently you're unaware of also; Apple has specifically stated that games are by far the most downloaded apps on Apple TV. That is from Apple themselves. Enjoy reality.

Games that are free, I bet Nintendo are worried lol.

After reading your contributions to this thread I don't think you should be throwing words around like reality.

 

[garglebutt]

Nintendo Switch sales will decline sharply after Mario. No one wants that piece of trash for anything but those two games. Watch it happen.

Secondly, as I stated and apparently you're unaware of also; Apple has specifically stated that games are by far the most downloaded apps on Apple TV. That is from Apple themselves. Enjoy reality.

Ah yep. Confirmed troll.

 

[9594864]

Ah yep. Confirmed troll.

Not trolling. How about you bump this thread in July 2018 about how well the Switch is doing then? Sales will reach peak this holiday season and then be met by one of the most staggering declines in console history shortly after the new year. I like Nintendo games, but the company is led by people who aren't good at business or pleasing customers. This is why they've had steady declines for the past 4-5 years.

 

[garglebutt]

Not trolling. How about you bump this thread in July 2018 about how well the Switch is doing then? Sales will reach peak this holiday season and then be met by one of the most staggering declines in console history shortly after the new year. I like Nintendo games, but the company is led by people who aren't good at business or pleasing customers. This is why they've had steady declines for the past 4-5 years.

Stock value. Oops. Reality.

 

[9594864]

Stock value. Oops. Reality.
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Didn't say anything about stock value. Their revenue was in a 4-5 year decline. Stock value isn't representative of that

 

[garglebutt]

Didn't say anything about stock value. Their revenue was in a 4-5 year decline. Stock value isn't representative of that

Ah right. I’ll stop feeding this troll.

 

[danny842003]

Didn't say anything about stock value. Their revenue was in a 4-5 year decline. Stock value isn't representative of that

But you did say that t was run by people ho aren't good at buisness. Yet they seem to be making plenty of cash and their stock is on a long term increase. What do you judge as being good at business?
I'm a switch owner and it's a pretty decent device, although I'm aware your appraisal is 'garbage/trash'.

 

[9594864]

Ah right. I’ll stop feeding this troll.

That's priceless. You misunderstood me and then realized you were completely wrong and of course fall back on the age-old child response: 'I'm done feeding this troll'. Enjoy
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But you did say that t was run by people ho aren't good at buisness. Yet they seem to be making plenty of cash and their stock is on a long term increase. What do you judge as being good at business?
I'm a switch owner and it's a pretty decent device, although I'm aware your appraisal is 'garbage/trash'.

Good business now is not telling of the near-future. Only ignorant people or business persons would be unwary of the future. It's fine to be doing well right now, but not if your future is grim, as Nintendo's is, due to poor strategy.

See, their problem is that they release new consoles which are technically fine for their catalog of games, but not powerful and developer-friendly enough for third party games. More importantly than this, though, is the fact that they are unequivocally slow at development of their IPs and this is why you see only 2 new, blockbuster games for the Switch in the first 12+ months. This, combined with the reluctance from third party developers is a disastrous problem in the near-term.

I'm not surprised the Switch has a strong start, as it had a brand new Zelda and a brand new Mario in the fall to get started. However, as I said, doing well now is not representative of the future. After Mario has been out for a few months, sales will begin to decline greatly as the two big games are out and nothing new is on the horizon. This is why the Wii U was a failure as well. A sharp decline in sales will occur in early-to-mid 2018.

 

[Judo]

This remote is truly their worst design,

Ah hem, The hockey puck mouse would like to have a word with you.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Ah hem, The hockey puck mouse would like to have a word with you.

LMAO! So on point with that reply!!


I just picked up a BNIB ATV4 64GB. After owning an appleTV3 for a year and wow!

From setup using on Device - simplicity just like AirPods. Did this occur before AirPod debuted?

He remote is awesome for navigation and ow input. I haven't used Siri on it yet in any form; only tried account entry for spelling and didn't work at all just bubbles or dot-dot-dot.

I like the idea of downloading apps and games suitable for this. I like the various world site moving wallpaper screen savers.

Bloomberg is a LOT better than on ATV3!
WWDC developer presentations for learning is VERY welcomed!! Learning a LOT lately in just first 5hrs! Very inspiring

And someone thinks ATV is dead? This version wakes up my TV over HDMI while the ATV3 didn't!! 1 less remote to use

 

[matrix07]

One thing I want  to improve the Remote is to only click the SIRI button to use it, not click & hold. I find that tiresome.

 

[chrono1081]

I think their hardware design teams are by far the best, but the remote is the one design that is simply unintelligent. A group of intelligent humans should understand what a remote should be from its design ergonomics to its usability and button layout. .

I'm sorry but if you can't understand the remote, that's on you. My 70 year old technologically illiterate Dad figured it out in no time.

That Apple TV is great, which is why a lot of people have one. If you don't like it don't buy it.

 

[PhillyGuy72]

I got the ATV 4 32gb for Xmas, I had the 3 for a while. But I admit I really don't use it that much. I'm still using a darn Firestick I got last November.

What irks me the most about ATV is the insane annoying authentication process every time I wanted to watch something - Verizon is STILL not on board with Apple (as well as evil Comcast) I don't know if this will change anytime soon....MAYBE they will get on board a deal was made and we don't know this yet - something will be mentioned on Tuesday with the new 4K model coming out. I don't know, I haven't really read up on Apple TV rumors and news.

I do have to figure out something soon, I plan to dump Verizon FIOS once my contract expires Dec 31, "cutting the cords" and strictly going internet. The "discounted" price I've been shelling out is a joke. My brother has been using PS Vue on his old FireStick, it's now on his Apple TV..so this might an option now.