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I don't see Apple as a service company and I don't see them as a movie company either.
A service company - that is was Microsoft is today - is about deploying your services to as many platforms as possible (this is exactly what Microsoft does). Long story short - a service company doesn't care about the target platform.

But Apple is exactly the opposite. iCloud on Linux? iTunes on Linux? Syncing Android phones with Macs? Adhering to Open Standards like OpenGL or Vulkan? Using Airplay on Android? Apple Music on Android - a mess!
Apple is heading in the direction of closed and proprietary. They are using Metal and Code signing to fight against Nvidia, Apple TV was only available on Apple hardware - but wait a minute, since nearly all remote controls have a Netflix/Prime button Apple suddenly recognised that it had completely failed and tries to bring an Apple TV app/Airplay onto LG devices in a hurry. A move that should have happened 10 years ago.

And all the Apple users? There are indeed a lot of iOS users but are there enough iOS users to drive a service comparable to Netflix/Azure? (Something like Azure when even iCloud folder sharing doesn't work?)
For myself I will never subscribe to an Apple service again. 4 Years of 'Butterfly' keyboards, I don't how how many years of 'we can't do more than 16GB', killing of the MacPro, Trashcan fail.
And now with Catalina 'Notarizing macOS Software Before Distribution' is imminent.

Apple as service company gets a big "NO".
The TL;DR to your question is a yes.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2019/10/2/measuring-apples-content-distribution-arm

I know Aboveavalon gets treated with much derision here, but Neil Cybart has done a fair amount of work estimating the amount of revenue Apple's various services could bring in, and he believes they could bring in a total of $5.2 billion in profit by the year 2022. This assumes that within the next 3 years, Apple Music reaches 100 million subscribers, Arcade gets 30 million users (a very conservative number really, considering the sheer number of people visiting the App Store), 55 million TV+ subscribers (well past the 40 million needed to break even), and 8 million news subscribers (somewhat hobbled by the limited number of countries the news app operates in).

In short, Apple can continue to sell to its user base (consisting of 1.4 billion active devices) and still earn a fair amount of money.

The other point is that for all that Apple has done, I wouldn't classify them as a services company. Instead, Apple continues to do what it has always done - leverage its platform to deliver content to its users. It used to be just apps and iTunes content, and has now expanded to streaming music, news and video (and maybe even books and podcasts in the future), but the intent is still the same.

Second, these services also serve to add value to apple hardware and software. While it is true that their content can be accessed outside of the apple ecosystem, I believe that the best experience is still to be had only when using Apple products. Same goes for services such as iCloud and Apple Pay; they literally don't work if you don't have an apple product.

As such, I feel your argument is backwards. You are arguing that Apple's pivot into services is doomed to fail because it is available on so few platforms. I would argue that it is precisely because these services are available on so few platforms that Apple clearly should not be considered a services company at all.

Instead, Apple is building a leading paid content distribution platform. True, the iPhone user base might be small compared to Android, but .9 billion active iPhone users is still a very huge number in an absolute sense, and I believe Apple can succeed simply by marketing to this user base alone.

And Apple is only just getting started.
 
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The TL;DR to your question is a yes.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2019/10/2/measuring-apples-content-distribution-arm

I know Aboveavalon gets treated with much derision here, but Neil Cybart has done a fair amount of work estimating the amount of revenue Apple's various services could bring in, and he believes they could bring in a total of $5.2 billion in profit by the year 2022. This assumes that within the next 3 years, Apple Music reaches 100 million subscribers, Arcade gets 30 million users (a very conservative number really, considering the sheer number of people visiting the App Store), 55 million TV+ subscribers (well past the 40 million needed to break even), and 8 million news subscribers (somewhat hobbled by the limited number of countries the news app operates in).

In short, Apple can continue to sell to its user base (consisting of 1.4 billion active devices) and still earn a fair amount of money.

The other point is that for all that Apple has done, I wouldn't classify them as a services company. Instead, Apple continues to do what it has always done - leverage its platform to deliver content to its users. It used to be just apps and iTunes content, and has now expanded to streaming music, news and video (and maybe even books and podcasts in the future), but the intent is still the same.

Second, these services also serve to add value to apple hardware and software. While it is true that their content can be accessed outside of the apple ecosystem, I believe that the best experience is still to be had only when using Apple products. Same goes for services such as iCloud and Apple Pay; they literally don't work if you don't have an apple product.

As such, I feel your argument is backwards. You are arguing that Apple's pivot into services is doomed to fail because it is available on so few platforms. I would argue that it is precisely because these services are available on so few platforms that Apple clearly should not be considered a services company at all.

Instead, Apple is building a leading paid content distribution platform. True, the iPhone user base might be small compared to Android, but .9 billion active iPhone users is still a very huge number in an absolute sense, and I believe Apple can succeed simply by marketing to this user base alone.

And Apple is only just getting started.

A lot of this is wishful thinking. Estimating number of subs is hard. Music is presently 60 mil? It’s not easy getting subs and that’s with Apple having had years of iPod and music experience.

Netflix is spending stupid and desperately needs subs growth to justify it. One can argue they have much more than 1.4 billion potential users.

Apples bulk majority customers is iPhone only. Converting these users to paid atv subs? You have to assume they’re happy watching shows on their phones. Maybe a small portion will but I’d say apple will have an even tougher time getting subs on this one.

AppleCare, App Store, and google still lead the way in services growth for Apple. Music was a given. I wouldn’t be too excited about news, arcade or atv. To be honest I think the real winner will be healthcare. Cook has said more than once this is what Apple will be remembered for. Clearly that means Apple is looking to profit in providing heath services. That’s the true pivot to services.

It’s simply crazy how much is spent in healthcare. If there’s a piece of the pie I want it’s that. The games and video? They’re just welcome (for Apple) and admittedly fun distractions for the media, us, and analysts to talk about.
 
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I mean it says someone related to the guy the movie is about has made "serious accusations" about him, so for all you know he could be a child rapist - is that not offensive enough for you?
No. I don't get offended on behalf of other people, let alone other people I don't know. That is an undesirable characteristic and personality trait, mostly reserved for people who can't tell the difference between themselves and the collective hive mind of social media.
 
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Even if he did.. it's still a story about something that happened, so just release it.

Heh. The media would have a field day with apple if the allegations are true and Apple releases it.

This is part of the lack of control (and risk) Apple has in making shows and subjecting it’s branding to them. At least they caught this in time.
 
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They bought the movie rights and are not letting anyone watch it. When a company buys patents and does t use them, they are called a patent troll. Let's see, what can we call apple.
That's not remotely what a patent troll is. Apple bought the rights to distribute, which they clearly intended to do. But something obviously bad happened and they're not releasing it right now. That's nothing like buying up patents so you can sue other people.
 
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Why are you two complaining?

The only thing that was canceled was it's showing at a Film Festival.

Films are canceled or pushed back all the time for various reasons.
Not complaining at all. I've never heard of this movie and have zero plans to see it no matter what. Just stating that there's no reason to not release it, regardless of the circumstances.
 
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Since some people refuse to click on any of the links to read what is actually going on.

One of the sister's comments, Cynthia Garrett:
“His real wife is Linda Garrett. She’s my mother. What’s been done here is shocking. My dad would turn in his grave. No script was ever written 20 years ago. My dad wrote a small book he gave us kids. Truth was what he and my mom wanted. Instead HOLLYWOOD has partnered with our half brother and stolen my mom’s story after molesting me and my baby sister for years.

What about fact checks? It’s sick that these men never seemed to care to know the real story here. I’ve worked in Hollywood thirty years. I’ve spoken about this in my book. And in conferences for years all over the world. Yet they partnered with our estranged half brother and erased us and our mother who co owned all the real estate and the banks. No regard for truth or family or sexual abuse victims being constantly abused. Every producer and star who played a part in this should be ashamed. Apple TV should be ashamed.

We would have pride in my dads story being told but we all dreamed we would share our mom and dads truth accurately. My mom is devastated. Nia long is black. My moms face is white. I guess HOLLYWOOD prefers the racial divide to continue rather than heal it. Something will now need to be done. We are praying Apple TV will make this right somehow.”

A little more from one of the linked articles:
Garrett Jr.'s half-sisters, roughly 15 years his junior, have recently made Apple aware of their claim that when he was a young man living in their home, he sexually molested them over the course of a few years. The sisters made the claim in connection with separate allegations that the timeline of the film was tweaked in order to leave the girls and their mother out of the story and instead feature Bernard Garrett Sr.'s first wife, even though he had already divorced her by the time of some of the events depicted in the film.

Seems like the filmmakers should have done a little more research before making this film.
 
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So now Apple is playing "gate keeper" for what video content we can see and not see?
Their attempt to provide original content will be an epic failure.
Why? Because you take any movie/actors and someone somewhere will ALWAYS be offended.
And once you start rolling over to the demands of the rabble, you will never have any backbone to ever stand again.
This is simply a story about being sold a product that did not meet specifications. Apple purchased this movie under the guise that the main character was positive role model and not an alleged child molester as was only revealed to Apple after they paid for the movie.
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I think it's the only Apple feature dude.
Apple has already released Elephant Queen and Hala tomorrow and has half a dozen movies ready to release soon. They partnered with A24 studios. There will be dozens of Apple movies in theaters in the next few years.
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Even if he did.. it's still a story about something that happened, so just release it.
This isn't about release, it's about the premiere event and subsequent PR in light of the bad timing. Now they have to look into the allegations and decide if the movie needs to be reshot, re-edited or just to re-spin the PR and release it nationally anyway.
 
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Look, the allegations don't even effect anybody depicted in the film so let it get released.
The allegations don't effect anyone in the film because the real people involved were written out of the real story. Since Apple bought this story under the premise that is is true, they have a case for misrepresentation of goods.
 
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So now Apple is playing "gate keeper" for what video content we can see and not see?
Their attempt to provide original content will be an epic failure.
Why? Because you take any movie/actors and someone somewhere will ALWAYS be offended.
And once you start rolling over to the demands of the rabble, you will never have any backbone to ever stand again.

Is the fast food guy who didn't serve you old food "gatekeeping" you from eating rotten meat?
 
I mean it says someone related to the guy the movie is about has made "serious accusations" about him, so for all you know he could be a child rapist - is that not offensive enough for you?
How would we prove he is a child rapist now? Is someone pressing charges? Is all of our media going to be given the hecklers veto whenever someone merely makes an accusation? This is the result of assuming guilt based on accusations instead of the presumption of innocence and letting the media and twitter be our courts. Lets assume people are innocent until we prove otherwise and then if people have accusations we can say - go the police and in the meantime life will move on.
 
I mean it says someone related to the guy the movie is about has made "serious accusations" about him, so for all you know he could be a child rapist - is that not offensive enough for you?

Does the movie deal with this? Or avoid it?
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/04/08/archives/collapse-of-bank-leads-to-lawsuit.html

Lawsuit against Joseph B. Morris and Bernard S. Garrett who allegedly "received a total personal profit of $189,106 off the top of the note purchase"

Apparently they were found guilty:
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/396/489/216152/
 
This is simply a story about being sold a product that did not meet specifications. Apple purchased this movie under the guise that the main character was positive role model and not an alleged child molester as was only revealed to Apple after they paid for the movie.
That is wrong. The main character in not an accused child molester, it’s the main character’s son.

The son was a producer of the film before the accusations were made public. Now he’s not. He also was involved with promoting the film recently, before he was fired.

If the accusations are true, I can certainly understand why the sisters are upset that their brother is profiting from their dad’s life story.
 
I mean it says someone related to the guy the movie is about has made "serious accusations" about him, so for all you know he could be a child rapist - is that not offensive enough for you?

I hope it's nothing that serious ... I thought the allegations where in the rights of the movie being made.

I actually really looked forward to watching this. Kinda bummed about this news: almost perfectly timed to holdback any thought of progression.
 
I hope it's nothing that serious ... I thought the allegations where in the rights of the movie being made.

I actually really looked forward to watching this. Kinda bummed about this news: almost perfectly timed to holdback any thought of progression.
"Garrett’s daughters have accused their half-brother Bernard Garrett Jr., one of The Banker’s producers, of sexually molesting them “over the course of a few years” in the 1970s"
 
I don't see Apple as a service company and I don't see them as a movie company either.
A service company - that is was Microsoft is today - is about deploying your services to as many platforms as possible (this is exactly what Microsoft does). Long story short - a service company doesn't care about the target platform.

But Apple is exactly the opposite. iCloud on Linux? iTunes on Linux? Syncing Android phones with Macs? Adhering to Open Standards like OpenGL or Vulkan? Using Airplay on Android? Apple Music on Android - a mess!
Apple is heading in the direction of closed and proprietary. They are using Metal and Code signing to fight against Nvidia, Apple TV was only available on Apple hardware - but wait a minute, since nearly all remote controls have a Netflix/Prime button Apple suddenly recognised that it had completely failed and tries to bring an Apple TV app/Airplay onto LG devices in a hurry. A move that should have happened 10 years ago.

And all the Apple users? There are indeed a lot of iOS users but are there enough iOS users to drive a service comparable to Netflix/Azure? (Something like Azure when even iCloud folder sharing doesn't work?)
For myself I will never subscribe to an Apple service again. 4 Years of 'Butterfly' keyboards, I don't how how many years of 'we can't do more than 16GB', killing of the MacPro, Trashcan fail.
And now with Catalina 'Notarizing macOS Software Before Distribution' is imminent.

Apple as service company gets a big "NO".

Apple is one of the only few companies actually developing their own technologies. It's good to have variety. If you want open source and open standards, you have Google for that. If you want a mix of both closed and open source/open standards, Microsoft already serves that purpose.
 
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