Apple TV Orders Shipping

[hking]

Cool. I wonder when we'll see some games on it. Even though the code is in there, we don't know when they'll actually implement it..

iPod games will not play on Apple TV.

from http://www.apple.com/appletv


not to say it will NEVER happen

 

[rphares]

Wow Avatar74.

My post earlier about him being ‘narrow-minded in his predictions’ were for the exact reasons that you have listed. I just don’t have the ability to lay it out as plainly as you have. Nice work.

 

[whatever]

Hey newbie, thanks for being a smart***. Great way to start around here.

My point is that you don't need an TV to do any of the things you suggested. You can view those things on your computer screen, or you can hook your laptop to your TV if you really *must* have it in your living room instead of whatever room you keep your computer in.

I agree and basically who needs a computer either, since I can do everything "I" need to do with out one.

Don't talk to me about ipods. I had a 1st Gen before 95% of america knew what they were.

Your medal is in the mail. But wait, shouldn't I have one too, since I too had an original 5GB iPod. However, I guess I surround myself with smarter people than you because they thought it was cool and they all bought the next generation iPod.

I don't see that usefulness or need here. I've never had the slightest desire to display album art during a party rolleyes: ), show my family photos on my tv, or blow up video podcasts on a big screen. I see the TV as a device that you're trying to think up uses for, not one that does things that people actually wished they could do prior to TV's existence.

That said, if you want to spend $300 to move content, which you already own, 2 rooms over, go ahead.

I see the use of Apple TV. I watch several different Podcasts and although my office is very comfortable (I love my Freedom Chair), I would really like to watch it on my Pioneer Elite Plasma in the comfort of my living room. Sure I could move a laptop into the room and hook it up (but that would require me to hook up some cables) or I could run some cables from my desk top machine, but.... that's to much work and then my ADD will kick in and I've moved on. However with an Apple TV, I can press a button on my remote, view and watch my downloaded Podcasts. My TiVo missed a show the other night (that's happening more and more lately!), so I downloaded it from iTunes, but I was to lazy to run cables, so I watched in on my 30" ACD. Yeah, that worked, but I would have preferred to watch on the big screen.

Sure not everyone will want this product, but it's obvious that there is a market for it.

 

[hking]

Hey newbie, thanks for being a smart***. Great way to start around here.

My point is that you don't need an TV to do any of the things you suggested. You can view those things on your computer screen, or you can hook your laptop to your TV if you really *must* have it in your living room instead of whatever room you keep your computer in.

And your reference to the ipod is just oh-so-clever. Clearly, given that the ipod was wildly successful, everything else apple ever releases will be as well, even products that do entirely different things and target entirely different markets. (see? I can use sarcasm too! How impressive! )

Don't talk to me about ipods. I had a 1st Gen before 95% of america knew what they were. My family and friends thought I was nuts, that I was taken by another apple product that nobody needed. I disagreed because the usefulness of the ipod, the need that it filled, was clear. The ipod filled a need that genuinely existed - people had been trying to carry large amounts of music with them for years, and it usually entailed a CD player and a big book of CDs.

I don't see that usefulness or need here. I've never had the slightest desire to display album art during a party rolleyes: ), show my family photos on my tv, or blow up video podcasts on a big screen. I see the TV as a device that you're trying to think up uses for, not one that does things that people actually wished they could do prior to TV's existence.

That said, if you want to spend $300 to move content, which you already own, 2 rooms over, go ahead.

LMFAO!!! thanks I needed a good laugh.

*crowns you the title of 'First to own 1st Gen iPod'*

 

[whatever]

Yeah. I guess it's illegal to download the HD-version, even if you've bought the DVD. I don't really feel like starting to buy physical stuff, though. (But I haven't got a HD-TV either, so no worries for me.. )

The good news is that both BlueRay and HD-TV have both been hacked.

Also you remember that the movie industry only wants to make money and they would prefer the masses to spend the money they would spend on a player on actual content (instead of spending $600.00 on a player they would rather have the consumer spend $600.00 on their content).

 

[EagerDragon]

Looks like NZ is following suite with Australia, my order has now moved again from the 20th to 27th.

Also of note is that the order has changed. In the top pane is my original order of the Apple TV and the HDMI to DVI cable. And then under that it says that this has been replaced with an Apple TV. It is not clear whether that means that they are not shipping a cable or whether the part number for the Apple TV has changed, and that is all that is different.

Looking forward to hearing reports of how it works.

Cheers, Ed.

Maybe much longer swim, with JAWS taking bites out of the Apple box.

 

[williedigital]

I don't know, I have not seen those screen shots. Director could go in the artist field and the actors etc. could be put in the description. I don't see the @TV having different tags from what can be seen in iTunes.

It was during the keynote. sort of blurry.

 

[shigzeo]

It's crazy how much u guys are paying for HDMI cables

monoprice.com = the best

i won't even open up the sort of quality-o-phile in me that says never to trust a cable under us 30$. i have a pair of cheap cables now that cannot differ much from those from monoprice that pick up static and are rubbish. my movie or music must never be subjected to rubbish connectors, unshielded stuff.

but then, if i were strapped for dosh...

 

[yagran]

this product sucks

the uk store now says ready to ship: 5 days.

but i dont understand...in the us it has movies and tv shows to play, but we dont have that here in the uk so tell me why it costs more?

US: $299 (£152.43)
compared with
UK: £199 ($390.35)

why do we pay £50 more when it does less for us? = atm

 

[rphares]

the uk store now says ready to ship: 5 days.

but i dont understand...in the us it has movies and tv shows to play, but we dont have that here in the uk so tell me why it costs more?

US: $299 (£152.43)
compared with
UK: £199 ($390.35)

why do we pay £50 more when it does less for us? = atm

Very good point. Doesn't make much sense.

Or... it might actually be a good sign. Do you think it might have something to do with the higher costs of attaining movie and television licensing for the UK?

Just a thought.

 

[yagran]

no i think its typical apple, thining they can ship the same products to the uk and charge abit more. i promise you sales will flop in the uk if they didnt give it a real purpose, ie videa content through itunes.

 

[balamw]

Very good point. Doesn't make much sense.

I presume the UK price includes VAT, while our sales taxes are not included. Not $100 worth, but not insignificant either, since it could easily add up to $30 in some US markets.

FWIW, The FedEx package tracking reports my TV box as weighing 7.1kg or just about 15 pounds. The device itself is only ~1kg so where's the added 6 kg?

B

 

[yagran]

the funniest thing is that the best answer ive had out of apple is "we produce less uk style wall plugs, so they cost more to produce, inturn this drives slightly higher prices" < to which i said your telling me a wall plug costs you $$$$$+ to make? < to which i never got a reply...lol

 

[Peace]

I presume the UK price includes VAT, while our sales taxes are not included. Not $100 worth, but not insignificant either, since it could easily add up to $30 in some US markets.

FWIW, The FedEx package tracking reports my TV box as weighing 7.1kg or just about 15 pounds. The device itself is only ~1kg so where's the added 6 kg?

B

I've seen that all over and think what happened was the shipper got the weight backwards since the TV weighs 1.7kg.

 

[davede70]

I see the use of Apple TV. I watch several different Podcasts and although my office is very comfortable (I love my Freedom Chair), I would really like to watch it on my Pioneer Elite Plasma in the comfort of my living room. Sure I could move a laptop into the room and hook it up (but that would require me to hook up some cables) or I could run some cables from my desk top machine, but.... that's to much work and then my ADD will kick in and I've moved on. However with an Apple TV, I can press a button on my remote, view and watch my downloaded Podcasts. My TiVo missed a show the other night (that's happening more and more lately!), so I downloaded it from iTunes, but I was to lazy to run cables, so I watched in on my 30" ACD. Yeah, that worked, but I would have preferred to watch on the big screen.

Sure not everyone will want this product, but it's obvious that there is a market for it.

This is dead on. It's a matter of ease of use. I own an apple because I hate wasting time. It's intuitive and it allows me to do things in less steps that it takes on a PC. This is why I will probably end up getting an TV over hooking up my macbook or getting a MacMini and using that. I just want to point and click with my remote and look at my stuff in least amount of steps of possible. Like Whatever, ADD and my laziness will force me to happily fork over the 300 bucks for TV.

 

[rphares]

I've seen that all over and think what happened was the shipper got the weight backwards since the TV weighs 1.7kg.

Mine also says 7.1 kg. Weird.

And according to my Fed Ex tracking it's reached Hong Kong

 

[Peace]

Mine also says 7.1 kg. Weird.

And according to my Fed Ex tracking it's reached Hong Kong

The ones destined for USA will wind up in Indianapolis tomorrow sometime for customs then go out on different planes then.Lets hope the evil ones dont decide to blow up the plane carrying all our TV's .

 

[kidtronix]

So, some of you guys are talking about ripping DVDs into .avi files with that h. codec. Even if that works, what about subtitles? The Apple TV doesn't have any subtitle support does it? This would all be a lot more interesting if it was a straight up media player, like a VLC player. I'd buy it in a second.

 

[williedigital]

So, some of you guys are talking about ripping DVDs into .avi files with that h. codec. Even if that works, what about subtitles? The Apple TV doesn't have any subtitle support does it? This would all be a lot more interesting if it was a straight up media player, like a VLC player. I'd buy it in a second.

Handbrake "hard codes" the subtitles directly into the media stream. Also, unlike .avi, the .mp4 container supports both .srt (timed text) subtitles and vobsub (the same ones on the dvd) to be muxed into the container along with the vid and audio. Currently, quicktime doesn't support playback of .srt or vobsub within the .mp4 container (vlc does), but from what I understand, the next version of Perian will. Interesting to see if you'll be able to use non-apple components with the quicktime on itv.

 

[kidtronix]

Handbrake "hard codes" the subtitles directly into the media stream. Also, unlike .avi, the .mp4 container supports both .srt (timed text) subtitles and vobsub (the same ones on the dvd) to be muxed into the container along with the vid and audio. Currently, quicktime doesn't support playback of .srt or vobsub within the .mp4 container (vlc does), but from what I understand, the next version of Perian will. Interesting to see if you'll be able to use non-apple components with the quicktime on itv.

Not sure what you mean with 'container', my english fails me there. But surely I can watch .avi files with both srt subs and idx/subs with VLC. That has nothing to do with the file format, heck I can watch WMP videos with subs.

I'd get an Apple TV if I can hack it, basically. I don't see the reason for backing up my DVDs so I can use the Apple TV, I've got an DVD player.

 

[bommai]

i won't even open up the sort of quality-o-phile in me that says never to trust a cable under us 30$. i have a pair of cheap cables now that cannot differ much from those from monoprice that pick up static and are rubbish. my movie or music must never be subjected to rubbish connectors, unshielded stuff.

but then, if i were strapped for dosh...

If you have not bought from monoprice, quit talking. They are inexpensive, no way cheap. All I can say is that the $5.98 6ft HDMI cable that I got from monoprice are gold plated, has ferrite core for reducing interference and have worked flawlessly connected between my 61" HD-ILA and PS3. I also have another cable going between my Sony HD-DVR and my TV. I just got their banana plugs and 100 ft of 12 AWG speaker cable. Both look awesome. The banana plugs (screw type) are $1.80 per pair. Gold plated, heavy duty, looks awesome.

 

[rphares]

If you have not bought from monoprice, quit talking. They are inexpensive, no way cheap. All I can say is that the $5.98 6ft HDMI cable that I got from monoprice are gold plated, has ferrite core for reducing interference and have worked flawlessly connected between my 61" HD-ILA and PS3. I also have another cable going between my Sony HD-DVR and my TV. I just got their banana plugs and 100 ft of 12 AWG speaker cable. Both look awesome. The banana plugs (screw type) are $1.80 per pair. Gold plated, heavy duty, looks awesome.

Damn nice setup.

 

[williedigital]

Not sure what you mean with 'container', my english fails me there. But surely I can watch .avi files with both srt subs and idx/subs with VLC. That has nothing to do with the file format, heck I can watch WMP videos with subs.

Right, with vlc, if you have a movie file of any type (movie.avi, movie.wmv, etc) and a subtitle file (movie.srt, movie.sub) vlc will play the movie with the subtitles. A "cleaner" way or doing subs is to combine them along with the video and audio into the .mp4 container though, and have the player select or deselect them.

The program yamb for example, will take a movie.avi and a movie.srt file and combine the video, audio, and subtitles into a movie.mp4 file. Vlc will then play that file and the subtitles will be selectable.

Apple, out of laziness or some other reason, hasn't added the basic ability to view these subtitle files into quicktime. The Perian component, which also allows you to view unsupported codecs in quicktime, is said to be implementing subtitle support in the next version of their quicktime component. It remains to be seen whether you can get at the guts of the itv and switch out things like quicktime components.

 

[WilliamLondon]

Hey newbie, thanks for being a smart***. Great way to start around here.

That said, if you want to spend $300 to move content, which you already own, 2 rooms over, go ahead.

What the hell did you have a 1st gen iPod for? Why didn't you just cart your stereo around with you from room to room, place to place? You owned the content already, as you say...

 

[WilliamLondon]

I'm hoping for a hack that lets any mac app stream video to the TV. I have too many episodes of Prison Break and 24 in EyeTV to convert them all to iTunes. And there's no reason the TV hardware can't do a 720p MPEG2 stream.

Also... EyeTV is smart about using external drives. Yes, it still keeps separate libraries, but when I plug in my FW drive, the library on it appears automatically. In iTunes, I have to quit, hold down option, and select my new library. So I have to interact with my computer before I can switch from my movie library to my music library on the TV. Although I could put all my music in my movie library too... but then any new stuff I download I have to sync up. BAH! What a pain

How about streaming it live from EyeTV to atv?? Wouldn't that be cool?!?! The world could divorce the cable/sat connection from the television completely...