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If thats how you feel, i've got a great suggestion for you. DON'T BUY ONE!

There you go. :) Problem solved.

Don't, worry most the people who have cable tv a dvd player and a game console and a reasonably priced 1st 2nd 3rd gen HDTV will be doing just that.

Gee that can't be all that many potential customers... I'd be shocked if more than 10% or 15% of the HDTV owners... In fact.. now that I think about it, I'm sure MOST don't have a DVD player *and* a game console as well as their cable box hooked up to their HDTV! That would be almost unheard of. :p

Now yea I will admit the latest HDTV I just got (Sharp Aquos 42") has more connections but that set is a very VERY new model and it's a far cry from the norm when it comes to HD connections.

Dave
 
I'm just glad that Apple changed the picture on the main web page!!!

Finally, something new to look at besides the iphone!!!:eek:

A glimmer of hope for new products...
 
Don't, worry most the people who have cable tv a dvd player and a game console and a reasonably priced 1st 2nd 3rd gen HDTV will be doing just that.

Gee that can't be all that many potential customers... I'd be shocked if more than 10% or 15% of the HDTV owners... In fact.. now that I think about it, I'm sure MOST don't have a DVD player *and* a game console as well as their cable box hooked up to their HDTV! That would be almost unheard of. :p

Now yea I will admit the latest HDTV I just got (Sharp Aquos 42") has more connections but that set is a very VERY new model and it's a far cry from the norm when it comes to HD connections.

Dave

How many people have a game box, a DVD player, and a cable box all hooked up to high-def ports on their TV? My setup is as such:
HDMI - currently unused (never has been used, in fact)
Composite 1 - unused
Composite 2- once used by a DVD player, now unusable because it shares composite audio with Component 2
Component 2 - used by a DVD player
Component 3 - used by cable box

This leaves HDMI open. And S-VIDEO as a matter of fact. The DVD player (as it isn't really high-def anyway), could be moved if we wanted (which we wouldn't even need to do to use the AppleTV.

Our game console is connected to a different TV. What percentage of people have consoles plugged into the same TV? Maybe I'm way off-base though. Though, our TV is relatively old, and thus probably has fewer connections than many others.

Now... it would still be very neat if Apple allowed pass-through of whatever port it was not using for output... say, allow you to view HDMI when component was being used for output or allow you to view component when HDMI was...
 
Name the categories of devices for me...

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Catagory 1 - Movie Player & TV Recorder ability

DVD / DVDR / VHS / BluRay / HD-DVD etc...
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Catagory 2 - TV Tuning / DVR ability

Cable box, tivo, satellite, fios, etc
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Catagory 3 - Game System

xbox, sony, nintendo, etc
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These THREE categories have been the NORM since the days of the 1st VCR and the first tv pong system. Most TVs are made with this in mind and except for the ultra inexpensive TV makers usually provide for ONE of EACH of those CATEGORIES to be connected.

I can't see how you don't see that?

Dave


Your agrument is flawed in a VERY apparent way. Why on earth do you assume "one movie player etc" supplants the desire to retain or add others? VCRS are in use in many systems with DVD players. Many hybrid DVD players need to "stick around" to play CDs as Blu Ray players don't support them. As there are no HD DVDRs in existance, you must add an SD version to record TV etc.

Many of us maintain HD and SD Tivos in the same system too.

To also assert the three inputs is somehow the magic max on the back of a TV doesn't stand up after review either.

All that aside, your desire to add capability that you need, but others don't is stupid and has been conveyed by you and others throughout this thread. You doubters b*itch about how much it costs and how it needs to have more capability at the same time.
 
Just noticed this on the Apple TV "Connect your TV" page:

From connecting your existing A/V receiver to selecting the right video mode, if you run into problems while setting up your Apple TV, help is just a click away. Get quick and simple setup and connection solutions from the Apple TV: Tips and Basic Troubleshooting guide.

The last is a link.... that goes nowhere:

Document 305003 not found

The article you're looking for could not be found. Please start over, search Apple's Knowledge Base, or visit the Discussion area.
 
Volume change can be supported.

This isn't exactly surprising, as there's probably no standard way to change the TV volume via some input cable, and doing it directly via the remote would mean you would have to program your Apple remote like you would do a universal remote -- i.e.: a pain in the butt.

While being a huge Apple fan, I do have to chime in and say that the lack of volume changing support is not a technical challenge, but one that was not undertaken in this AppleTV version. Case in point is Microsoft Media Center supports the following:

- DVR functions
- Support volume changes from the media center or extender (source driven volume).
- Stream video, photos, music and internet TV via plugins.

I do have macs as my home machines, but the Media Center is the device of choice and will own the living room until there is DVR functions. I find the limitation of only content from iTunes is a big no-go. I understand the drivers from Apples perspective, but if you have kids you want to record the latest kids shows without having to pay for each 30min show.

Please don't take me wrong, I'm attempting to find the reason to love the AppleTV, and the solution here is third party support to get DVR functions into iTunes. I know there are several in play and that will allow for better AppleTV viability.

Somethings that I would like to see (many have been touched on in this forum) include:
- DVR recording
- Volume support
- Singbox like support
- Email reading support on the TV
- Stream the Dashboard to the TV (this is very useful feature in OS X)
- Download rental queue (love the idea of having the device just download the next in the rental Q overnight or on demand.... That would be very cool and useful).


I'm sure there are others but these are the big items.

-t
 
While being a huge Apple fan, I do have to chime in and say that the lack of volume changing support is not a technical challenge, but one that was not undertaken in this AppleTV version. Case in point is Microsoft Media Center supports the following:

- DVR functions
- Support volume changes from the media center or extender (source driven volume).
- Stream video, photos, music and internet TV via plugins.

I do have macs as my home machines, but the Media Center is the device of choice and will own the living room until there is DVR functions. I find the limitation of only content from iTunes is a big no-go. I understand the drivers from Apples perspective, but if you have kids you want to record the latest kids shows without having to pay for each 30min show.

Please don't take me wrong, I'm attempting to find the reason to love the AppleTV, and the solution here is third party support to get DVR functions into iTunes. I know there are several in play and that will allow for better AppleTV viability.

Somethings that I would like to see (many have been touched on in this forum) include:
- DVR recording
- Volume support
- Photo slideshows
- Support video playlists (maybe it does)
- Singbox like support
- Email reading support on the TV
- Stream the Dashboard to the TV (this is very useful feature in OS X)
- Download rental queue (love the idea of having the device just download the next in the rental Q overnight or on demand.... That would be very cool and useful).


I'm sure there are others but these are the big items.

-t

Volume support: the comments that this is a problem are moronic

Photo slideshows: Have you looked at the capabilites? This is a strong suit

Email and Dashboard: Sorry you wish it was a PC, but the informed harbored no illusions.
 
Somethings that I would like to see (many have been touched on in this forum) include:
- DVR recording
- Volume support
- Photo slideshows
- Support video playlists (maybe it does)
- Singbox like support
- Email reading support on the TV
- Stream the Dashboard to the TV (this is very useful feature in OS X)
- Download rental queue (love the idea of having the device just download the next in the rental Q overnight or on demand.... That would be very cool and useful).


I'm sure there are others but these are the big items.

-t
I believe Photo slideshows and video playlists are supported. Video playlists work on the iPod, after all, and are on iTunes. (Actually, photo slideshows ARE supported, take a look on Apple's AppleTV site, under "Photos" in the demo secion.)
 
No, I think that pretty much says it all. The fact AppleTV's size IS the biggest selling point is why it's hard to get excited about it. I'd rather the AppleTV be the size of a TiVo box, Sling, DVD, etc, and have more functionality, than to be microsized and fairly crippled as-is now. iTunes video content is pretty weak w/ titles, pricing, and resolution.

An other good question would be: In Canada (and other countries), they don't have TV shows or movies in iTMS (yet)... How could they expect to sell much AppleTV over there?

I must have missed something...
 
I believe Photo slideshows and video playlists are supported. Video playlists work on the iPod, after all, and are on iTunes. (Actually, photo slideshows ARE supported, take a look on Apple's AppleTV site, under "Photos" in the demo secion.)

Thanks I stand corrected. After looking at the online demo, it does have strong support for photo and video playlists. It does look like fun eye candy.
 
Thanks I stand corrected. After looking at the online demo, it does have strong support for photo and video playlists. It does look like fun eye candy.

Eye candy isn't going to be what makes or breaks it, though, I believe. I think that its success depends almost solely on how easy to use it is(which, admittedly, eye candy plays a large role in), how smoothly it operates, and how many people have video in their iTunes library. If the answers are "extremely," "extremely," and "plenty," then we'll see success.

And based on what I've seen and heard of the AppleTV, the first two answers seem to be exactly that - "extremely" and "extremely." So the real question is, how many people want to/do have video in iTunes?
 
Your agrument is flawed in a VERY apparent way. Why on earth do you assume "one movie player etc" supplants the desire to retain or add others? VCRS are in use in many systems with DVD players. Many hybrid DVD players need to "stick around" to play CDs as Blu Ray players don't support them. As there are no HD DVDRs in existance, you must add an SD version to record TV etc.

Many of us maintain HD and SD Tivos in the same system too.

To also assert the three inputs is somehow the magic max on the back of a TV doesn't stand up after review either.

All that aside, your desire to add capability that you need, but others don't is stupid and has been conveyed by you and others throughout this thread. You doubters b*itch about how much it costs and how it needs to have more capability at the same time.

... doesn't stand up after review either.

- I never said 3 inputs was the MAX (I wouldn't ever make such a statement since my newest HDTV has 6 HD quality inputs) you musta pulled that out of the air! So, if anything your it's YOUR POST doesn't stand up after MY REVIW. :lol:

I did say that most (as in the middle of the road priced) TVs today (the ones that sell the most) are built around the premiss that people paying for a TV with 'average features' will expect to be able to connect their cable box, DVD player *AND* a game console (all connected at the same time) and most tv manufactures have built TVs to provide this functionality.

The manufacturers have also gone ahead and made TVs that may sacrifice on the number and quality of the connections and in return have price those TVs for less. Finally TV makers have gone ahead and made TVs with lots more connection options 2 HDMI + 3 COMPONENT + 2 SVIDEO + 1 DVI and in return for the greater number of connectors they charge more.

I don't really need to explain all of this do I?

A few of you seem to be hell bent on not seeing this is a problem no matter how obvious it is. So, for people who don't see my point, I can't make it any clearer... but as it would happen I stumbled on the following:

http://www.xtrememac.com/audio/av_cables/switcher.php

It goes some of the way solving my issues... Clearly not as elegant as being able to control the switcher from the AppleTV remote itself but beggars can't be choosers and it's priced right but it's also not OUT yet either and we can't speak to HDMI/HDCP issues that the switcher COULD introduce and also the remote problem is still with and the many-many-too-many remote juggling problems.... but hey it's a start. Unfortunately it'll probably come with AUWW too.... (another ugly wall wart)

But it's very EXISTENCE goes to show that others surely see that LOTS of people are going to have the problem. It also has Apples blessing (I'm guessing) since I don't think they'd be using AppleTV in their product lit and have its design so closely match the AppleTV unless they did.

"Too many HDMI devices and not enough ports on your HDTV to connect them? We feel your pain. Most displays only offer one or two HDMI ports, which isn’t enough to support all of your devices. Our 4-port HDMI switcher is a simple solution that lets you connect up to four devices to a single HDMI port on your TV."

Gee now where on earth have I heard THAT before...

Dave
 
... doesn't stand up after review either.

- I never said 3 inputs was the MAX (I wouldn't ever make such a statement since my newest HDTV has 6 HD quality inputs) you musta pulled that out of the air! So, if anything your it's YOUR POST doesn't stand up after MY REVIW. :lol:

I did say that most (as in the middle of the road priced) TVs today (the ones that sell the most) are built around the premiss that people paying for a TV with 'average features' will expect to be able to connect their cable box, DVD player *AND* a game console (all connected at the same time) and most tv manufactures have built TVs to provide this functionality.


But it's very EXISTENCE goes to show that others surely see that LOTS of people are going to have the problem. It also has Apples blessing (I'm guessing) since I don't think they'd be using AppleTV in their product lit and have its design so closely match the AppleTV unless they did.

"Too many HDMI devices and not enough ports on your HDTV to connect them? We feel your pain. Most displays only offer one or two HDMI ports, which isn’t enough to support all of your devices. Our 4-port HDMI switcher is a simple solution that lets you connect up to four devices to a single HDMI port on your TV."

Gee now where on earth have I heard THAT before...

Dave

Well since I never claimed you said three inputs was the max, I guess we can chalk this up as a hollow retort.

Congrats !! Thanks for coming to the rescue Apple. You now make a product that 20 others already make. Appreciate the Apple logo HDMI cable too. How on earth was I ever going to hook this up without them?

By the way, switchers and cables were out long before Apple TV was released. Again, something that anyone who read a single HT magazine in the last three years would know to be a blinding flash of the obvious.

Again, if you need extra HDMI support becuase of your TV etc, buy this or any other switcher ( wonder who is making it for Apple?) Those of us with plenty of HDMI ports, however, will be spared having one integrated into the Apple TV as extra dust collectors.
 
This has been debunked before. Apple TV requires an HDTV, it doesn't support composite video output, yet its limited to 720p. Walk into a Bestbuy or Circuitcity and see what TV's they're pushing.

The "majority" of TVs aren't HDTV at all. iTunes doesn't even have HDTV content, so you could argue that 720p is overkill. But they require you to have an HDTV by only having HDMI and progressive.

If you're going to require HDTV, you might as well support 1080p. I doubt that the Apple TV is powerful enough to support it.

Apple TV does not require HDTV, it supports EDTV as well.
 
I think that Apple really needs to come and say what the heck the USB port is for if it can not be used for more storage-the only other possibility is that maybe one could connect their camera to it for a slide show or something like that-I think that :apple:tv is a great piece of hardware with lots of room for new additions-but like several posters have said it wont have DVR-but I do know that maglia has mentions of getting your recorded shows on to :apple: tv-dont forget anything that will play in itunes or quicktime without codecs will work-so as long as you encode your dvds and tv shows with MPEG4, you are good
 
The DVR market is still considerably a HUGE market Apple, Inc. is essentially ignoring through TV. If the Apple TV had DVR functionality it would essentially replace a digital cable box if the HDTV had a cable card slot.

I wasn't one of the ones that moaned about the :apple:TV's lack of DVR functions. However, I did moan and groan that the :apple:TV didn't support the MPEG-2 streams that can be recorded by Macs and PC (using EyeTv or other software).

With that said, I don't beleive that Apple will ever make a DVR. And not because they don't wan't to compete with the iTS. My reasoning is that it's too difficult to compete with the cable companies $10/month DVR. Americans, in general, do not want to outlay the cash for a product and would rather pay a smaller monthly fee. Even if the rental equipment is inferior to the buy-to-own equipment.

An Apple DVR would be fighting the cable companies offerings and would likely lose.

Also, your remark about CableCard is not correct. For it to work, the Apple DVR would need the cable card slot (or just a QAM tuner if you're not worried about premium digital channels). Whether the TV had a CC slot is irrelevant. I'm sure Apple doens't want to deal with CableCards as they seem to be very difficult to set up (mainly because the Cable companies don't like to provide them) and it would look bad on Apple if it took 3 trips by the cable guy to set-up. And there is no current solution for satellite TV users, short of having component (or better) inputs and and IR blaster to operate the Satellite box.

Anyways, I just wanted to chime in.

ft
 
A few of you seem to be hell bent on not seeing this is a problem no matter how obvious it is.

Many of us fully understand the problem, but what we can't understand is your assertion that it's somehow Apple's problem to fix, and not the responsibility of, say TV manufacturers. I've asked that question at least once already. You apparently chose to ignore it. You really should not get so annoyed with how others discuss this issue if you're going to sidestep points that you don't want to address.
 
This has been debunked before. Apple TV requires an HDTV, it doesn't support composite video output, yet its limited to 720p. Walk into a Bestbuy or Circuitcity and see what TV's they're pushing.

The "majority" of TVs aren't HDTV at all. iTunes doesn't even have HDTV content, so you could argue that 720p is overkill. But they require you to have an HDTV by only having HDMI and progressive.

If you're going to require HDTV, you might as well support 1080p. I doubt that the Apple TV is powerful enough to support it.

dmelgar,

You're slightly incorrect. Apple TV isn't limited to 720p. It can do (at least according to the specs) 1080i. It's the video that is limited to 1280x720/24p (not ATSC-720p which is 30p, but it probably won't be noticeable).

I'm thinking that watching AppleTV stuff on a 1080p HDTV will be like watching ABC, ESPN, or Fox.

ft
 
three things for AppleTV to get a big foot on the entertainment room.

1) 1080p support
2) 5.1 audio
3) cool, new universal remote.

1) 1080p support: I don't think its worth paying more for this, yet. Most plasmas out there are either older EDTV 480p, or HDTV 768 lines. I do think they should support it as soon as their graphics cards are capable.

2) 5.1 audio: Absolutely. I'll be very interested in learning if the box is capable of this now, or if the digital audio output is kind of a furphy.

3) universal remote: I'd like to see Apple compete in this area, I think there's room for a really good universal remote. But it should be a separate product to the AppleTV.

No, a cool universal remote is a mistake. Most people already have one. It's not an Apple core competency and good ones begin around $500 and go into the thousands.
Nah, universal remote don't work well. They're like the music players before the iPod - they seem to do it all, but they still take intelligence to use (and especially to setup).

There are some good universal remotes, but they're expensive. Apple could make good inroads here.
 
Waiting for my ATV

Currently waiting for my Apple TV to arrive (hopefully tomorrow) but was hoping I could get some knowledgable help here.

In the past week I have bought a Samsung 42 inch Plasma (comes with 2 HDMI Jacks) --- and I want to hook up my Apple TV (HDMI), Comcast Digital Cable Box (HDMI), and Phillips Home Thearte system (HDMI) ---

http://reviews.cnet.com/Philips_HTS6500/4507-6740_7-31660606.html?tag=sub

So I have three devices with HDMI capability but only 2 HDMI ports on my Samsung HD TV. To complicate things, I want the audio from the actual TV, and Apple TV to come out of the Phillips system all the time, NOT the standard Samsung TV speakers.

What is the best way to accomplish this?

Thanks guys
 
Blueray HD DVD watch out

the battle for for the successor of the DVD format is underway and though apple tv doesn't not support 1080p it does do 1080i which is quit frankly a good enough standard for now and is made up for it with the simplistic use of the interface where you no longer have to shuffle through boxes of DVD cases to find what you want. we solved this problem 10 years ago in music with the mp3/ipod revolution even though mp3 formate is inferior to the CD the mp3 one ... get ready blueray and HD DVD it's the software stupid
 
1) 3) universal remote: I'd like to see Apple compete in this area, I think there's room for a really good universal remote. But it should be a separate product to the AppleTV.

Nah, universal remote don't work well. They're like the music players before the iPod - they seem to do it all, but they still take intelligence to use (and especially to setup).

There are some good universal remotes, but they're expensive. Apple could make good inroads here.

Well, I guess we have different viewpoints on this one. Since Apple is about 5% of the installed based of computers and from the look of this thread many Apple owners are "Jerry's Kids" on the subject of HT I see little market for a universal remote programmable on a Mac, especially when Harmony's web based program works very well across platforms.

I'd suggest you look at Harmony and Philips products before you assert "URs don't work well." I fire up and shutdown my system with a press of a single button and select inputs, adjust video inputs the same way.
The Harmony was simple to do and the Pronto allowed me to build custom pages for added flexibility. Doubtful many folks here have the time or energy to do that though no matter who sells the device.

Nothing Apple could sell under $400 would replace existing very good remotes and that's more $$$ than many people have invested in the audio eqipment in total.
 
Currently waiting for my Apple TV to arrive (hopefully tomorrow) but was hoping I could get some knowledgable help here.

In the past week I have bought a Samsung 42 inch Plasma (comes with 2 HDMI Jacks) --- and I want to hook up my Apple TV (HDMI), Comcast Digital Cable Box (HDMI), and Phillips Home Thearte system (HDMI) ---

http://reviews.cnet.com/Philips_HTS6500/4507-6740_7-31660606.html?tag=sub

So I have three devices with HDMI capability but only 2 HDMI ports on my Samsung HD TV. To complicate things, I want the audio from the actual TV, and Apple TV to come out of the Phillips system all the time, NOT the standard Samsung TV speakers.

What is the best way to accomplish this?

Thanks guys
I'm not sure what the Philips device is, but it sounds like a DVD player/5.1 speaker system. If this is the case, I would do this.

Philips - HDMI to TV
AppleTV - HDMI to TV, optical out to Philips
Comcast Box - Component to TV, optical (if it has it) to Philips.

Since both the Apple TV and Comcast box are likely to top out at 1080i, it's really a crapshoot as to whether HDMI or component would be better for video. Try both, who knows, you might like them both on component.

Does the AppleTV come with an HDMI and component cables?

ft

EDIT - I changed my mind. I looked at the link you provided. If the Philips DVD player only upconverts through the HDMI, then what I said is OK. However, if it doesn't upconvert at all (just progressive scan), then just use the component for the DVD player and use HDMI fo rboth the cable box and aTV, unless the video looks better with component.
 
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