Apple TV, Siri Targeted in EU Broadcaster Complaint Citing DMA Rules

[jarman92]

As applied to Apple this is facially absurd and contrary to the letter of the law…

…so I fully expect the EU to implement it forthwith.

 

[deathcab]

Alright, EU - here's the deal: if you move to ban Siri from all platforms (including iOS), we'll finally all cheer you on for once.

 

[jimbobb24]

Company wants govt to regulate their competitors. Oldest game in the book and just so lame.

 

[tonmischa]

There is a reason why innovation out of the EU is limited and it is precisely because of stifling regulation such as this

True, but come on, let's try to keep the facts out of this nice little discussion, shall we? 🙂

We are just here to bash Americans Europeans!

I hope you realize that is not a gotcha nor does take away from your own sweeping comments.

Of course I do. Again, I'm just imitating what other posters did in similar threads 100 times before.

 

[mansplains]

use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act for mass deportations, unlawful termination of federal employees via the "DOGE" initiative, and the deployment of federal agents to local cities

"People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones" LOL

Whether agreed with or not, those actions better align with the role of government than protecting legacy TV, or whatever they claim Siri is gatekeeping.

 

[jimbobb24]

What do they actually want though? It's not clear to me from this article. I'm assuming they want the "right" to junk up the Apple TV interface and insert more of their own advertising and anti-user practices.

My guess is these corporations have heavy regulations and so they want to force their competition to have the same heavy regulations. In economic analysis this is common as is big business asking for regulations that will keep small competitors out (because costs of compliance too high). The govt goal may be noble but often just a tool for inter corporate warfare.

 

[211]

What do these broadcasters want? What advantage will they get from this?

 

[tonmischa]

those actions better align with the role of government than protecting legacy TV

Yes. Take licenses away from all stations that are critical. That'll show 'em. And it's no overreach at all. It's totally constitutional as well!

 

[ikramerica]

hopefully this makes tvOS not a restricted OS where it just deletes app data after a certain amount of megabytes. That’s why I don’t support apps on tvOS these days too limiting.

If not, Europe go away

the streaming OSes have little storage. I guess they can ask? But Roku routinely offloads apps altogether. I believe they may store the app data in the Cloud in your Roku account, but not sure.

 

[ikramerica]

My guess is these corporations have heavy regulations and so they want to force their competition to have the same heavy regulations. In economic analysis this is common as is big business asking for regulations that will keep small competitors out (because costs of compliance too high). The govt goal may be noble but often just a tool for inter corporate warfare.

It’s why regulation is pro-corporatism and anti-capitalism. Regulations create massive barriers to entry and compliance costs that stifle innovation and smaller competition.

Outside of regulations that deal with safety and limited monopoly limitations, regulations are anti-consumer.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Outside of regulations that deal with safety and limited monopoly limitations, regulations are anti-consumer.

This is the crux of the issue.

Different jurisdictions and indeed societies vary greatly on what falls under acceptable and desirable regulation and balance of interests.

“Monopoly limitations” can have enormous breadth.

And in the United States we often don’t even enforce the rules we do have.

 

[Spock]

And once again, the stage is set for clueless Americans to flaunt their ignorance and prejudice against the EU.
I’m going to grab some popcorn.

The obsession with Americans is real 😂

 

[sw1tcher]

To evidence their claim, the broadcasters cited market data showing Android TV's share grew from 16 percent to 23 percent between 2019 and 2024, while Amazon Fire OS climbed from 5 percent to 12 percent. Samsung's Tizen holds 24 percent, but Apple TV's share was not referenced.

Roku's like, "Thanks for keeping us out of this." 😂

 

[Abazigal]

At this point, the term “unfair” has basically lost all meaning. It’s only about whether something is to someone’s advantage or not.

Something doesn’t benefit me? Unfair!!!

 

[Non-Euclidean]

This sort of stuff must really frustrate Tim Cook, as he's not a political person at all.

Maybe Tim can cough up another contribution and the Douchey Orange Narcissist can threaten the EU again?

(I am assuming one can make a political remark in the Political News forum).

 

[tonmischa]

The obsession with Americans is real 😂

Yes, it's like a plane crash. It's a terrible accident, but you can't look away! 😂

 

[CapitalIdea]

I am just imitating what hundreds of US posters have done in the past in similar topics. I thought you wanted to be seen as role models?

Girls! GIRLS! You’re both fat.

 

[tonmischa]

Girls! GIRLS! You’re both fat.

Nice one. 😂 haven't heard that one before... 😂

 

[555gallardo]

The EU should instead push TV providers into making apps for Apple TV. Two of three largest in my country don’t have an app despite claiming to bring them over YEARS ago.

 

[sw1tcher]

Maybe Tim can cough up another contribution and the Douchey Orange Narcissist can threaten the EU again?

I don't believe he would threaten the EU.

You do know who runs the parent company of Paramount+, right?

The Association of Commercial Television and Video on Demand Services in Europe (ACT), whose members include Disney, NBCUniversal, Paramount+, and Sky, sent a letter on Monday to EU antitrust chief Teresa Ribera arguing that smart TV operating systems from Google, Amazon, Apple, and Samsung should be designated as gatekeepers under the Digital Markets Act (DMA).


This person's daddy financially backed the merger of Skydance and Paramount. He's also financially backing the pending merger of Paramount-Skydance and Warner Bros Discovery.

And this family is part of an investor group that took control of TikTok US.

I think your "Douchey Orange Narcissist" will put this family's interests ahead of the US.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I don’t even understand what these lobbyists want here….

They want Apple to let them run Siri on their own hardware (cars, TVs, etc)? They want to control how Siri works on Apples hardware?

Why would any company develop an AI assistant if everyone else can control it however they want?

I guess maybe all AI assistants could be developed by the government and be public. Make it illegal for private companies to develop their own AI or something.

I don’t know, I really just don’t understand this one.

That’s why the DMA is bad legislation because it allows for this with their provision that says the regulators can have a problem with a company and demand changes just because “they feel like it.” There’s no way to know what regulators now or in the future will “feel” like regulating.

 

[tonmischa]

There’s no way to know what regulators now or in the future will “feel” like regulating.

Almost like the FCC 😂

 

[WilliApple]

the streaming OSes have little storage. I guess they can ask? But Roku routinely offloads apps altogether. I believe they may store the app data in the Cloud in your Roku account, but not sure.

But what about tvOS which has 64 GB for what lol, and 128 GB option too... I wouldnt be surprised if the next Apple TV comes standard with 128 so they dont need to continue to manufacture 64 GB NANDS for only a few devices

 

[rp2011]

If left unregulated, I mean strictly and mercilessly regulated, then Siri would certainly take over all of the EU current power structures. You don't have to be European to know that!

 

[turbineseaplane]

Yes, it's like a plane crash. It's a terrible accident, but you can't look away! 😂

And like many plane crashes, one can't help but look and keep wondering "how did this happen!??"