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Why wouldn't we accept this? There are reports of people struggling to work effectively from home several places in Norway because of bad network performance. I assume it's similar in other countries in Europe, and that's why the request was made.

I think most of us agree that people working in our society with a pandemic going on should be prioritized over those who are watching streams for entertainment.
Because it shouldn’t be like this. ISPs in Asia don’t have this problem.
 
I couldn’t enjoy it in 4K DV on my tv anyway. And this only happens with Apple TV+ content. So annoying
 
So what are people in the EU going to use the extra bandwidth leftover for? Folding?
 
So what are people in the EU going to use the extra bandwidth leftover for? Folding?

Probably porn globally due to social distancing restriction. With that in mind, conspiracy theory is that the porn industry drove this change so they can prioritize and maximize profit on their own streams.
 
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And this is why I still buy Blurays. The ISPs should have planned infrastructure better. I pay close to 40 Euro in Italy for a crappy 100Mbit service and now they can't ever carry a 25Mbit stream?

Where are all the net neutrality keyboard warriors now?
With all due respect, but does your country not have more important infrastructure capacity issues to worry about? Your health care system is collapsing, and you’re complaining about your ISP? Get some perspective.
Also, this has nothing to do with net neutrality.

On average internet is inferiour in the US compared to EU, with lower speeds and many households not even having broadband. Also, let’s see which government will handle this crisis better.
 
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So stupid, especially throwing a whole continent under the same bus, when this should be decided by each country, hell even each ISP.

Also they blame Home Office? Who is actually still working. Everyone I know is on paid leave for the foreseeable future

For example everybody at the ISPs works 150% right now.
 
Nobody is meddling. The commission ( by the way, not politicians, educate yourself, most commissioners are actually technical experts in their respective fields. That’s why commission is appointed and not elected anf that’s why they can only make recommendations, not laws )

This is totally wrong. Most members of the European Commission are career politicians. They may or may not have some background in their area of responsibility, but that is mostly not the main reason they are chosen.
 
If someone commits suicide or kills/get kill because the quality of their streaming service was 480p instead of 1080p maybe its a reasonable outcome. There are many ways of entertainment, if you need help coping with quarantine, there are mental health professionals you can contact thanks to the network not being down because your neighbor's 24/7 4K streaming.

Wow! Hopefully you never get into a posistion of power as you clearly have no idea of the effects of mental health. It's people like you that is the reason that mental health is not taken seriously.
 
I hope they do the same across all of US when the curfews start place, just because someone in some rural area cannot get 4K.

This was driven by a few European countries like the UK and Germany with mediocre ISP's, and similar mobile carriers. I have a gigabit connection at home, and I can still get 900 Mbit/s across Europe.

Luckily Apple TV+ doesn't have content.
 
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It’s beyond dumb that they do this for the entire EU, it’s just a few **** countries that seems to have spent their free EU money on parties instead of infrasctructure that have these problems (Italy and Spain for example). It’s the same ones as in 2008 really, a few freeloading countries weighting down the rest of the EU.
 
Complete idiotic that politicians meddle in this. Let the ISPs do the asking, let them deal with the legitimate streaming providers and get a proxy/caching server on their networks if they still don't have that.
Moreover it's utterly pointless.Legitimate streaming is much, much more friendly on the ISPs than torrent downloads are that easily peak traffic many times higher than streaming. [peaks hurt, and a 2160o blu-ray copy over a torrent download easily saturates the highest consumer bandwidths]

Politicians should stay out of technology they have no grasp of whatsoever.
Only a small minority will be accessing torrents whereas whole families will be watching Netflix etc on multiple devices. One UHD show could use over 6gb of bandwidth. Multiply that by millions of households and you’ll see why they were asked to lower the bandwidth. It blows my mind that you’re arguing over the quality of content when people are dying. Pathetic.
 
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Huh, must be a regional thing, because I just tested it here in Austria and it was as crisp as ever. 🤷‍♂️
 
I watched The Banker yesterday evening and quality was as good as it can get on my 4K OLED TV. Must have gone into effect after I finished (~22:00h).
 
This was driven by a few European countries like the UK and Germany with mediocre ISP's
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Yeah, our Internet in Germany is terrible :rolleyes:
(I pay for 400 down, 20 up, & these speeds have been solid every day, any time of Day)

I saw this was your first post. Do everyone a favour & make it your last.
 
“Complete idiotic that politicians meddle in this. Let the ISPs do the asking, let them deal with the legitimate streaming providers and get a proxy/caching server on their networks if they still don't have that.
Moreover it's utterly pointless.Legitimate streaming is much, much more friendly on the ISPs than torrent downloads are that easily peak traffic many times higher than streaming. [peaks hurt, and a 2160o blu-ray copy over a torrent download easily saturates the highest consumer bandwidths]

Politicians should stay out of technology they have no grasp of whatsoever.”



Politicians rarely have grasp, perhaps. But neither do you mate. On both technology and politics.

Nobody is meddling. The commission ( by the way, not politicians, educate yourself, most commissioners are actually technical experts in their respective fields. That’s why commission is appointed and not elected anf that’s why they can only make recommendations, not laws ) made a recommendation. Netflix, YouTube and Apple followed it.

Nobody forced anyone to do anything.

People like you are the problem. They preempt the issue - you criticize. They don’t preempt and let the network collapse - you criticize.

It’s a shame the only thing you never do is offer actual, workable solutions - or have any perspective - we are in the middle of a global pandemic, hundreds of thousands of people may die, even more may lose jobs and you’re b...ng about slightly lower quality of a streaming service ?

We need the bandwidth for medicine, for people to work and be productive - nobody cares about your binging.

Get some perspective mate.

Excellent post, personally I think some of the more extreme reactions, not sensible ones, are the result of the liberalist world we now seem to live in. I cannot even start to imagine how this world would react if they said a meteor will wipe us all out in a year..
My broadband seems ok, I believe my COD may have been a little slower last night, but I’d much rather have the bandwidth for my work, now at home, which is in the supply chain for drugs and chemicals, these are necessary for our health service and researches to find vaccines, including Covid 19, and other supplies we provide.
 
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I'm not sure lowering the quality of a video stream is going to be too detrimental to peoples' mental health. If domestic violence arises from this then I'm guessing it was something that was going to happen anyway...

It's shocking how selfish people are. Netflix still looks ok and this will really help people who are working from home and need the bandwidth.
 
It’s kind of funny that people just accept this. Was there really that big of a problem to warrant Apple and other streaming services to throttle bit rate even though people pay extra for it (eg. Netflix)? Shouldn’t it be up to the ISP’s to figure this out? Is there really nothing more important for the EU commission to handle in this crisis?

I agree that the ISPs should do something about this, but in the meantime it’s good that companies like Apple, Netflix and Google are helping in their own way.

My company tried to do video conferencing on Tuesday and it was a disaster. Since then we just use audio and even then it’s patchy.Every little helps to keep work going.

Whilst people need entertainment being stuck inside, it is not essential to hog the bandwidth for 4K streaming. They haven’t stopped their services. As for paying extra for 4K and not getting it, that should be directed at Netflix.
 
Complete idiotic that politicians meddle in this. Let the ISPs do the asking, let them deal with the legitimate streaming providers and get a proxy/caching server on their networks if they still don't have that.
Moreover it's utterly pointless.Legitimate streaming is much, much more friendly on the ISPs than torrent downloads are that easily peak traffic many times higher than streaming. [peaks hurt, and a 2160o blu-ray copy over a torrent download easily saturates the highest consumer bandwidths]

Politicians should stay out of technology they have no grasp of whatsoever.

Look in the mirror to see a "complete idiotic".
 
It’s kind of funny that people just accept this. Was there really that big of a problem to warrant Apple and other streaming services to throttle bit rate even though people pay extra for it (eg. Netflix)? Shouldn’t it be up to the ISP’s to figure this out? Is there really nothing more important for the EU commission to handle in this crisis?

Communication is especially important in a time like this, to keep the economy running as much as possible. It might not be a problem normally but once everyone needs lower latency video conferencing at the same time during the day?
 
I'm not sure lowering the quality of a video stream is going to be too detrimental to peoples' mental health. If domestic violence arises from this then I'm guessing it was something that was going to happen anyway...

It's shocking how selfish people are. Netflix still looks ok and this will really help people who are working from home and need the bandwidth.

It is a non existing problem to begin with, there’s no data backing the claim that there isn’t enough capacity on a wide scale, on the contrary ISPs and researchers say the opposite is true.

The companies doing this is just in it to make more money by lowering their costs.
 
An ordinary video game is easily 100 GB today. Plus maybe 5 GB of updates per month. For a lot of players, streaming games creates less traffic than running them locally.



It really about the latency, not the bandwidth. From what I've seen ISPs in the EU usually have enough bandwidth but, with everyone needing live broadcasts (for video game streaming, live streaming, and video conferencing), the quality is going to suffer greatly. Offline game downloads can be higher latency without losing out on much, but anything live is going impact the network a lot. Anything live usually use UDP protocols, which a little like the source shouting into a void, while regular download uses TCP, where the destination will send an acknowledgement back that it is sent. This also means UDP will prioritize the freshness of the data over the quality without checking for lost packets or errors. I've seen the quality of Zoom and other video conferencing tools drop quite a bit over the past few days, and I would much rather work based traffic is prioritized over entertainment in the current situation.
 
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If someone commits suicide or kills/get kill because the quality of their streaming service was 480p instead of 1080p maybe its a reasonable outcome. There are many ways of entertainment, if you need help coping with quarantine, there are mental health professionals you can contact thanks to the network not being down because your neighbor's 24/7 4K streaming.
They can just look outside the window - not 480p, not 1080p, not 4k, but infinitely many p's or k's!
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So what are people in the EU going to use the extra bandwidth leftover for? Folding?
People working from home. Ever heard of that? That's the one part of business that keeps running. People wasting bandwidth are interfering with the only part of the economy that's still going.
 
It blows my mind that you’re arguing over the quality of content when people are dying. Pathetic.
Not arguing over the immediate effect (quality of content), arguing about the EU politicians overreaching themselves to mess with non-problems and creating even more government interference where there should be none.

REmember it's in times like these that civil liberties can be abolished by those in power, never to return as people are scared and accept everything because "people are dying".
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People working from home. Ever heard of that? That's the one part of business that keeps running. People wasting bandwidth are interfering with the only part of the economy that's still going.
The whole point is that the reduction in bandwidth is neither needed, nor helping those in need of a better VPN to their office to work from home to start with.
 
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