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You are just being deliberately obnoxious now.
I’m a massive football fan. I come from a footballing hotbed in England. My stepdad has been a football his whole life, his dad before him etc.
None of them ever called it Soccer, and they hate the term, and it is nothing to do with some big name players joining the NASL in the 70’s and 80’s, because actually that was kind of a flop.

Next to my teams stadium there is the largest independent football memorabilia store which sells everything from match programmes, shirts etc from years ago, I mean decades, stuff that predates your claims. There is never a mention of the word Soccer unless the product is from North America.

There is a football museum in Manchester, you can go to it, the word Soccer isn’t used.
Most teams here have stadium tours, museums, and a tour guide. Go to them, the word soccer in these clubs’ history is never used.

When my club was formed, it merged 2 local teams in the late 1900’s, there is a well known story about the different names they were proposing to use, none of them had the word Soccer in them.

When the football league was formed in the 1800’s it was named the Football League, amongst the different proposed names the word Soccer is never used. Same for pretty much every club.

You can see programming from decades ago, even radio broadcasts that predate television, again the word Football is the term that they use. Not even football specific programmes, but show that just make reference to the sport.

The U.K. spread football around the world, not just to Europe, but to South America etc. The stories are well documented. The translation these countries have to call football are translations from the football, not soccer.
You have another forum member on here who grew up in Scotland and now lives on a Portuguese Island which is popular with tourists from around Europe, and he is saying the word has always been football, and people of different nationalities have and always have used the literal translation from the word football.

You can watch documentaries or read about how in the 2nd World War the Nazi’s liked the team Schalke, and the Italian dash it’s liked Lazio, they make 1st hand account from their perspective and the perspective from the allies. Again the word football is used, not soccer.

In the 1st world war there was a well documented Christmas Day truce between the opposing forces. Here they both played football on no man’s land, as well as soldiers cutting the hair of their opposing soldiers and sharing chocolate etc. Diaries and 1st hand records from both sides use the word football.

In the U.K. we have a large group of boomers who desire to have things back to like they were in decades gone by, even stuff that predates their adult lives, like the pre decimalisation of money, and the biggest example of this would be BREXIT. Believe me if Soccer was the preferred term of football in the U.K., then these boomers would be all over returning it to that name. They don’t, in fact they hate it, because it’s more a name that has came up more recently with the popularity of the sport in the North America and how it relates in broadcasts etc from North America.

I’m sorry but you live in the USA, yes you read a book that’s told you one thing, but that book is wrong, listen to the people telling you it is by 1st hand accounts and 2nd hand accounts.
I don’t say and insist on something on something happening or happens in the USA because I read it in a book and dismiss your account.

The term may have originated in the U.K., but as has already been east a listed, this would have been slang, and not a more widely used terminology, and certainly not largely popular or the main terminology.

If you continued to read before making this deliberately incorrect post, you’d see that I brought receipts.

Thanks for trying. Join the rest of the long line of people that were woefully incorrect. Unless you’d also like to deny written, documented history in favor of your fairy tale anecdotal experiences. Your country created the term, and used it heavily until the 70s. Fact. Deal with it. You might be an avid casual fan, but you obviously weren’t avid enough to even bother to look at, read and understand the actual history of the sport, its evolution and the etymology of its various names.

The term “football club” predates Association Football ever existing. Football is a huge catch-all term of many sports. Just like Sporting Club. Just like how many soccer teams are “Racing Club”, especially in Spain and former Spanish colonies. They evolved from a club of avid competitive runners into other sports - racing.

Here’s another article. Monday, August 1st in the year 1966. Birmingham Post. Page 11, titled “Alf Ramsey Revolution”. And again, I quote, “ENGLISH soccer will never be the same again. That much is clear from the 4-2 extra-time victory which won England the World Cup in Saturday's Wembley final against West Germany. What we might call the Ramsey Revolution…”

Seriously, give me a month and a year. The challenge is open. I’ll give you a written example. Shall we even include the “myth” game in the 1950 World Cup where a bunch of American amateurs embarrassed England? You know, stick to themes here.
 
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If you continued to read before making this deliberately incorrect post, you’d see that I brought receipts.

Thanks for trying. Join the rest of the long line of people that were woefully incorrect. Unless you’d also like to deny written, documented history in favor of your fairy tale anecdotal experiences. Your country created the term, and used it heavily until the 70s. Fact. Deal with it.

The term “football club” predates Association Football ever existing. Football is a huge catch-all term of many sports. Just like Sporting Club. Just like how many soccer teams are “Racing Club”, especially in Spain and former Spanish colonies. They evolved from a club of avid competitive runners into other sports - racing.
I’m telling you the written and broadcast history tells you that you are wrong, but you stand by what you have read in 1 book despite everything else and every other book saying that you are wrong.

Racing club and sporting clubs are named because they usually still have an element of them that play other sports. Football itself in the U.K. largely came into creation by cricket club members playing the sport in the time cricket wasn’t payed, hence why it’s not really a summer sport over here.
 
1975 - 1,342 across Scottish papers. 13,222 in English. Dying off in the 70s… as previously noted. Correlation: NASL signing Pele, Beckenbauer, Best, etc….


looking again at your figures again with a clear head, thats actually higher than it was in the 50s. According to your figures it was 123,165 for 10 years so only 12,317 a year so 34 times a day, so hard to say without knowing your source and whether it included regional newspapers, i guess it would so would be on average mentioned once every two days in each paper which would have on average what 6 pages of football stories? If it was only nationals then maybe 2 mentions a day which is more than i would have assumed mind you.


And tbh, just thinking out aloud, is usage of the word in newspapers a good judge ? i think not, its pretty meaningless for one reason. Most articles about football do not mention the word football, when they do its generally because they are naming an organisation (like we already discussed) or quoting someone.

i looked at The (London) Times as i have it online. theres 12 football articles in todays main online edition. all quite length. a variety of subjects.

3 of them mention the word football once each in lengthy articles. one because its in a quote, one because Liverpool have bought Calvin Ramsay from Aberdeen, and it mentions that he was voted Scottish Football Writers' Association Young Player of the year. One was an article about this MLS deal so the only mention of Soccer as it spells out Major League Soccer and compares it to Premier League Football. 9 of them were lengthy football articles without mentioning football at all.

and using the search function on the times app, thats actually a good day for fans of seeing the word football written down. they often go over a week without mentioning the word football once anywhere in articles. so that would likely be 80 odd articles without one mention of the word football.


i did pose the question on my football team forum as your comments have genuinely intrigued me, and whilst i was alive for almost all the 70s i wasnt for the 60s or 50s, so i figured id ask the older posters. none ever used the word, most could recall its use in slogans, Soccer Saturday, Soccer 7s, Soccer AM, also that Shoot Magazine often used it on covers and headlines but not in articles.


any way, circles, potato potato....
 
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looking again at your figures again with a clear head, thats actually higher than it was in the 50s. According to your figures it was 123,165 for 10 years so only 12,317 a year so 34 times a day, so hard to say without knowing your source and whether it included regional newspapers, i guess it would so would be on average mentioned once every two days in each paper which would have on average what 6 pages of football stories? If it was only nationals then maybe 2 mentions a day which is more than i would have assumed mind you.


And tbh, just thinking out aloud, is usage of the word in newspapers a good judge ? i think not, its pretty meaningless for one reason. Most articles about football do not mention the word football, when they do its generally because they are naming an organisation (like we already discussed) or quoting someone.

i looked at The (London) Times as i have it online. theres 12 football articles in todays main online edition. all quite length. a variety of subjects.

3 of them mention the word football once each in lengthy articles. one because its in a quote, one because Liverpool have bought Calvin Ramsay from Aberdeen, and it mentions that he was voted Scottish Football Writers' Association Young Player of the year. One was an article about this MLS deal so the only mention of Soccer as it spells out Major League Soccer and compares it to Premier League Football. 9 of them were lengthy football articles without mentioning football at all.

and using the search function on the times app, thats actually a good day for fans of seeing the word football written down. they often go over a week without mentioning the word football once anywhere in articles. so that would likely be 80 odd articles without one mention of the word football.


i did pose the question on my football team forum as your comments have genuinely intrigued me, and whilst i was alive for almost all the 70s i wasnt for the 60s or 50s, so i figured id ask the older posters. none ever used the word, most could recall its use in slogans, Soccer Saturday, Soccer 7s, Soccer AM, also that Shoot Magazine often used it on covers and headlines but not in articles.


any way, circles, potato potato....
Yeah but you forgot one thing, he’s right because he’s American, has read 1 book which is largely inaccurate and appears to be no more than a feel good magazine to Americans about preferring their own football and will spend the rest of his life defending what was said in that book and calling everyone else wrong, even though their testimony and all evidence points to the opposite being true.

The exact definition as to why Americans have a stereotype of being obnoxious.
 
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I’m telling you the written and broadcast history tells you that you are wrong, but you stand by what you have read in 1 book despite everything else and every other book saying that you are wrong.

Racing club and sporting clubs are named because they usually still have an element of them that play other sports. Football itself in the U.K. largely came into creation by cricket club members playing the sport in the time cricket wasn’t payed, hence why it’s not really a summer sport over here.

Yet I just gave you a written example proving you wrong. There’s literally hundreds of thousands of these examples. But you can’t be wrong, evidently.

Here’s a lovely one. Thursday, 29 June 1950. Hull Daily Mail. The article itself is titled “SOCCER” and its on page 4. And I quote, “ASSOCIATION foot - ball, or as it is popularly called, soccer, came into being about the year 1848, when a meeting was held at Cambridge. The meeting was attended by old boys the leading public schools.”

30 June 1950. Birmingham Daily Gazette. Page 8. Titled “ENGLAND CANED AT SOCCER TOO” … sub titled: “Beaten by U.S.A.-500-1 outsiders”. Quote: “Belo Horizonte, Brazil, Thursday. ENGLAND crashed ignominiously to defeat here today against the 500-1 outsiders for the World Soccer Cup title—the United States.”

Shall I continue? Or are we going to finally admit something here….
 
Yeah but you forgot one thing, he’s right because he’s American, has read 1 book which is largely inaccurate and appears to be no more than a feel good magazine to Americans about preferring their own football and will spend the rest of his life defending what was said in that book and calling everyone else wrong, even though their testimony and all evidence points to the opposite being true.

The exact definition as to why Americans have a stereotype of being obnoxious.

I’m right because I’m right. And the disdain for the term Soccer arises from the worst kind of nationalism. Sorry we one-upped you in the 70s. Sorry we’re going to do it again on November 25th.
 
The exact definition as to why Americans have a stereotype of being obnoxious.
It's not just Americans. There's one in every bunch, especially online. If you pay us a visit, most of us are very friendly.

I don't personally care what we call it. With my son and sports buddies, I often call Association Football fútbol and American Football football. Other times, I use soccer or football based on the context. I simply don't care.

FWIW, our local team is FC Cincinnati, Football Club Cincinnati on the field, Fußball/Fussball Club Cincinnati—because of the city's German heritage—on legal documents. The precursor club in the USL was Futbol Club Cincinnati. Because we apparently like all the spellings of football.
 
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It's not just Americans. There's one in every bunch, especially online. If you pay us a visit, most of us are very friendly.

I don't personally care what we call it. With my son and sports buddies, I often call Association Football fútbol and American Football football. Other times, I use soccer or football based on the context. I simply don't care.

FWIW, our local team is FC Cincinnati, Football Club Cincinnati on the field, Fußball/Fussball Club Cincinnati—because of the city's German heritage—on legal documents. The precursor club in the USL was Futbol Club Cincinnati. Because we apparently like all the spellings of football.
I know you are all mostly friendly, that’s why I said stereotype.
 
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I’m right because I’m right. And the disdain for the term Soccer arises from the worst kind of nationalism. Sorry we one-upped you in the 70s. Sorry we’re going to do it again on November 25th.
You never one upped us in the 70’s, the NASL was a busted flush. You bought players who were well past it, it’s like saying the MLS is one upping the Premier League because in the last few years you have had the likes of Beckham, Henry, Lampard etc, all after their peak.
That’s not to say the MLS is bad though, the standard has got much higher.

Just please start listening to people from these countries and people who lived through what you are saying did or didn’t happen. You just come across as obnoxious.
Like I say, I don’t sit here and say that America is a certain or was a certain way whilst I’m in the U.K. and ignoring the views and experiences of actual Americans.

We have established that Soccer as a word was created in the U.K., but it has never been the widely used terminology or name for the sport in the U.K., despite what your book claims.
 
You never one upped us in the 70’s, the NASL was a busted flush. You bought players who were well past it, it’s like saying the MLS is one upping the Premier League because in the last few years you have had the likes of Beckham, Henry, Lampard etc, all after their peak.
That’s not to say the MLS is bad though, the standard has got much higher.

Just please start listening to people from these countries and people who lived through what you are saying did or didn’t happen. You just come across as obnoxious.
Like I say, I don’t sit here and say that America is a certain or was a certain way whilst I’m in the U.K. and ignoring the views and experiences of actual Americans.

We have established that Soccer as a word was created in the U.K., but it has never been the widely used terminology or name for the sport in the U.K., despite what your book claims.

Mate… the proof is in the pudding. You’re arguing against LexisNexis + OCR + Microfilm. It was an incredibly common term up thru the 70s. At its strongest following World War 2. England created the term. England exported the game with the term. Former English colonies adopted the term. And now it’s the English leading the charge that somehow we have the name wrong that you gave us? No. Wrong. Own it.
 
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Yet I just gave you a written example proving you wrong. There’s literally hundreds of thousands of these examples. But you can’t be wrong, evidently.

Here’s a lovely one. Thursday, 29 June 1950. Hull Daily Mail. The article itself is titled “SOCCER” and its on page 4. And I quote, “ASSOCIATION foot - ball, or as it is popularly called, soccer, came into being about the year 1848, when a meeting was held at Cambridge. The meeting was attended by old boys the leading public schools.”

30 June 1950. Birmingham Daily Gazette. Page 8. Titled “ENGLAND CANED AT SOCCER TOO” … sub titled: “Beaten by U.S.A.-500-1 outsiders”. Quote: “Belo Horizonte, Brazil, Thursday. ENGLAND crashed ignominiously to defeat here today against the 500-1 outsiders for the World Soccer Cup title—the United States.”

Shall I continue? Or are we going to finally admit something
Ah, the Daily Mail, famous for being that paper that tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth…………………. Not!

For reference, Hull is a Rugby town, well actually a Rugby League town. They have a Rugby club called a football club, and a football club called a football club.
This will be why they used the word soccer, and soccer may have been a word they used there as slang to differentiate the two meanings and clubs.

As for the 2nd article, if you read it, they are clearly making a reference and mocking what the Americans call football (soccer), because you know, the article covers a game between the USA and England.

But well done on finding 2 articles that use the term soccer in a mocking tone.
 
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Haha, it is a glorified friendly competition at the end of basically a 2 year period where our big name players have had virtually no rest.
By contrast World Champions France are doing just as bad, and European Champions Italy are not doing much better and even failed to qualify for the World Cup, which the USA only qualified for behind Canada.
It’s a friendly competition when you’re about to get relegated :)
 
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Ah, the Daily Mail, famous for being that paper that tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth…………………. Not!

For reference, Hull is a Rugby town, well actually a Rugby League town. They have a Rugby club called a football club, and a football club called a football club.
This will be why they used the word soccer, and soccer may have been a word they used there as slang to differentiate the two meanings and clubs.

As for the 2nd article, if you read it, they are clearly making a reference and mocking what the Americans call football (soccer), because you know, the article covers a game between the USA and England.

But well done on finding 2 articles that use the term soccer in a mocking tone.

Yes… many rugby sides use the name Football Club. Because rugby is also football… As I’ve already highlighted that one of the founding members of the FA, who had the name prior to its existence, left the FA and was also a founding member of the Rugby Union in 1871. I know the history. Just like I know the history of the term “soccer”… and 2 articles? I’ve already provided 4 and skipped a few from Belfast cuz, ya know, they play Gaelic football there which is more closely resembling what football actually used to look like (possibly exactly looked like) prior to the FA and Rugby Union… and like I said, there’s hundreds of thousands of other examples. Pick any month, any year. The challenge is open, I can do this all day. I have a meeting in 15 minutes, I go for a 40 minute walk on my hour lunch and then eat, and then a few meetings in the afternoon. I’ll continue to humor you, though I know you’ll never be satisfied.

And just for the record… prior to World War 2, the US Soccer Federation was named the US Football Association. In 1945, after spending 4 years shoulder to shoulder with Brits, they picked up the name soccer and altered the name US Soccer Football Association. USSF as a name, dropping football, didn’t exist until 1974… kinda funny eh? It’s almost as if one of us knows something here…
 
Shall we argue about the metric versus imperial systems of measurement now? It would be about as relevant to the original topic. It is currently 31ºC here (33º later) with a dew point of 22ºC, so fairly muggy.

I am interested in seeing what the price will be for the Apple MLS streaming service, whether there are any bundles with the other Apple services, and what the rules will say about people/groups who split season tickets. As it stands I watch EPL (Spurs). I subscribe to fubo Latino during the seasons to watch LigaMX (Rayados) and LigaMXFemenil (Rayadas) matches. FC Cincinnati matches are on local TV—and the team is finally watchable this season. So I am definitely the target audience.
 
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Mate… the proof is in the pudding. You’re arguing against LexisNexis + OCR + Microfilm. It was an incredibly common term up thru the 70s. At its strongest following World War 2. England created the term. England exported the game with the term. Former English colonies adopted the term. And now it’s the English leading the charge that somehow we have the name wrong that you gave us? No. Wrong. Own it.

and you are arguing against people. real people who lived through the time. you are effectively gaslighting them, telling them their personal experience is wrong because youve stuck some words into a newspaper search engine and found an amount of words which is as ive pointed out, not very enlightening at all. they might have used that word on the cover of shoot magazine, or as the rugby correspondent distainly typed out a football article, but when 60,000 fans were going into celtic park or old trafford or elland road, those fans were going to see football, and they sat in the pub that night and talked about football. and their kids in school played football, whethere it was in a car park or on a pitch.



and following your logic, why dont we call it soccer in scotland? if England changed it because they were so jealous that once famous footballers were playing there in their late 30s (i have to admit i mis-remember that as instead of jealousy i remember ridicule ) , then surely Scotland would have embraced the word. we still love that you beat them in 1950 and i so hope you beat them in the world cup. in fact i think it will make you happy that if you do, the next day all over the uk, and indeed anywhere Scots are in close proximity to English, all us scots will be talking about Soccer with a fake yankie twang :)
 
and you are arguing against people. real people who lived through the time. you are effectively gaslighting them, telling them their personal experience is wrong because youve stuck some words into a newspaper search engine and found an amount of words which is as ive pointed out, not very enlightening at all. they might have used that word on the cover of shoot magazine, or as the rugby correspondent distainly typed out a football article, but when 60,000 fans were going into celtic park or old trafford or elland road, those fans were going to see football, and they sat in the pub that night and talked about football. and their kids in school played football, whethere it was in a car park or on a pitch.



and following your logic, why dont we call it soccer in scotland? if England changed it because they were so jealous that once famous footballers were playing there in their late 30s (i have to admit i mis-remember that as instead of jealousy i remember ridicule ) , then surely Scotland would have embraced the word. we still love that you beat them in 1950 and i so hope you beat them in the world cup. in fact i think it will make you happy that if you do, the next day all over the uk, and indeed anywhere Scots are in close proximity to English, all us scots will be talking about Soccer with a fake yankie twang :)

I’m not gaslighting. Gaslighting would be what’s happening back. You are arguing against well documented occurrences. Personal experience and anecdotes are not robust evidence. It’s an informal fallacy. Each account is “I know a person who…” and is immediately worthless at face value. It places undue weight on the experience of others, who themselves may be unreliable and definitely subject to cognitive biases. If this were a trial, you’d immediately hear “objection, hearsay” and be shut down by the judge.

You can’t, however, refute something that’s in print - hundreds of thousands of times - as it is direct evidence of a time and place of something occurring. The written word is a direct correlation to the spoken word of an era. One need only have a very basic knowledge of Shakespeare to understand this. Does the word “coxcomb” exist? Yep. And it was used. These days we just say “head” instead. Do we wear habit? No, we just wear clothes. Nuns, however, still have their clothes referred to as a habit. Is your mothers brother your nuncle? Nah, just your uncle.

Words change. They fall in and out of favor. Now while things are no longer choice, or rad, or gnarly… I can’t deny their existence. I will, however, deny that anyone ever referred to something as “the bomb”… it never happened, I never used it, I never knew anyone that did, but I did and we mocked them for sounding foolish. That’s the same logic being applied in what they’re choosing to ignore.
 
Hate to break it out to you, but electronic ads on the sidelines and sponsored jerseys have been around since the middle 1990's, more or less. There's a reason why Chinese companies have been major sponsors of multiple international soccer (football) events in recent years.
I mean, nothing in my post suggested that this was a new phenomenon. That wasn't the "point."

The "point" was that it exists as a layer on TOP of anti-consumer exclusivity deals that make it hard to watch!
 
I’m not gaslighting. Gaslighting would be what’s happening back. You are arguing against well documented occurrences. Personal experience and anecdotes are not robust evidence. It’s an informal fallacy. Each account is “I know a person who…” and is immediately worthless at face value. It places undue weight on the experience of others, who themselves may be unreliable and definitely subject to cognitive biases. If this were a trial, you’d immediately hear “objection, hearsay” and be shut down by the judge.

You can’t, however, refute something that’s in print - hundreds of thousands of times - as it is direct evidence of a time and place of something occurring. The written word is a direct correlation to the spoken word of an era. One need only have a very basic knowledge of Shakespeare to understand this. Does the word “coxcomb” exist? Yep. And it was used. These days we just say “head” instead. Do we wear habit? No, we just wear clothes. Nuns, however, still have their clothes referred to as a habit. Is your mothers brother your nuncle? Nah, just your uncle.

Words change. They fall in and out of favor. Now while things are no longer choice, or rad, or gnarly… I can’t deny their existence. I will, however, deny that anyone ever referred to something as “the bomb”… it never happened, I never used it, I never knew anyone that did, but I did and we mocked them for sounding foolish. That’s the same logic being applied in what they’re choosing to ignore.
It is gaslighting dude.
I could say to you that the USA doesn’t exist and you live in a piece of land that is still controlled by the U.K., France, and Mexico. There would probably be a book out there with this outlandish claim, and possibly some newspaper articles about foreign police forces coming to the U.K. (possibly for training or a diplomatic relations event) and say that this is evidence of these facts being true.
Needless to say you would reject these claims and sooner or later the whole ‘I live here, I know what’s happening’ arguement would come out of your mouth, and if I doubled down and said what you are experiencing, what you have ever experienced is not what you claim, then I would be gaslighting you. This is what you are doing.

You have been shown evidence from 1st hand account, from facts and other evidence such as club names, the translation of the word football to other countries (except for the USA) etc.
We didn’t get to a period of between the 50’s and 70’s and suddenly turned around and said, ‘guys this one country, the USA, are using the word Soccer and they have bought some players who are at the end of their careers and given our clubs so much money for them, we should now just be jealous of them and change the word to football. All your translations for the word we use has to be changed, every club in the world will now have to change their name from Soccer Club to Football club etc’.

You are invited to come to the U.K., or go to elsewhere in Europe, or even South America. Go to the clubs, speak to the fans, take the tours, visit the museums, look at origins of the game, and see for yourself that the word soccer was never ever the most commonly used word, and when it was used, it was used as slang by school boys who preferred the rugby variation of the sport, and in mocking terms in a few articles.
 
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It is gaslighting dude.
I could say to you that the USA doesn’t exist and you live in a piece of land that is still controlled by the U.K., France, and Mexico. There would probably be a book out there with this outlandish claim, and possibly some newspaper articles about foreign police forces coming to the U.K. (possibly for training or a diplomatic relations event) and say that this is evidence of these facts being true.
Needless to say you would reject these claims and sooner or later the whole ‘I live here, I know what’s happening’ arguement would come out of your mouth, and if I doubled down and said what you are experiencing, what you have ever experienced is not what you claim, then I would be gaslighting you. This is what you are doing.

You have been shown evidence from 1st hand account, from facts and other evidence such as club names, the translation of the word football to other countries (except for the USA) etc.
We didn’t get to a period of between the 50’s and 70’s and suddenly turned around and said, ‘guys this one country, the USA, are using the word Soccer and they have bought some players who are at the end of their careers and given our clubs so much money for them, we should now just be jealous of them and change the word to football. All your translations for the word we use has to be changed, every club in the world will now have to change their name from Soccer Club to Football club etc’.

You are invited to come to the U.K., or go to elsewhere in Europe, or even South America. Go to the clubs, speak to the fans, take the tours, visit the museums, look at origins of the game, and see for yourself that the word soccer was never ever the most commonly used word, and when it was used, it was used as slang by school boys who preferred the rugby variation of the sport, and in mocking terms in a few articles.

It isn’t gaslighting, dude. Gaslighting is making you question reality. Reality is this word was in heavy usage, and I’ve proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt. You’re gaslighting by stating it wasn’t. Your example of stating the USA doesn’t exist is gaslighting, because reality is that it does exist. See? That’s what gaslighting is. See how that’s analogous? Reality vs reality, and denial of reality vs denial of reality.

First hand accounts, I’ve given it to you - it’s in print hundreds of thousands of times. You’re giving me hearsay. You can’t possibly rely on someone to remember everything they’ve read, heard, seen or encountered over a 70 year period. It’s impossible. That’s why it’s unreliable and subject to cognitive bias. Just accept the fact you’re wrong. It’s ok. It’s inconsequential at the end of the day. Accept your loss and move on. An American knows more about the history of the sport and the word than you do. Life goes on.
 
It isn’t gaslighting, dude. Gaslighting is making you question reality. Reality is this word was in heavy usage, and I’ve proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt. You’re gaslighting by stating it wasn’t. Your example of stating the USA doesn’t exist is gaslighting, because reality is that it does exist. See? That’s what gaslighting is. See how that’s analogous? Reality vs reality, and denial of reality vs denial of reality.

First hand accounts, I’ve given it to you. You’re giving me hearsay. You can’t possibly rely on someone to remember everything they’ve read, heard, seen or encountered over a 70 year period. It’s impossible. That’s why it’s unreliable and subject to cognitive bias. Just accept the fact you’re wrong. It’s ok. It’s inconsequential at the end of the day. Accept your loss and move on. An American knows more about the history of the sport and the word than you do. Life goes on.
I’m literally telling you fact.
Other have literally told you fact.
You point to a book which makes a claim about the word being popular in the U.K. which was conducted by an American in the build up to the World Cup where they clearly wished to legitimise the word soccer more.
I and others have pointed out how the stats of this are flawed, and how on top of the statistic not being all that conclusive, they omit the context of which the word soccer is used in articles which the study and yourself have used as evidence.
All other articles which make this claim are just referencing this same study.

I have lived what you are saying is wrong, and what others have said they are living through, and without stepping into our world you are dismissing our reality and stating it as incorrect.
What you are doing is no different from if I said America isn’t real, and you are not American but live in an area of land that is still controlled and contested by British and French forces.
You keep referencing things like the constitution, but it’s not actually real mate, it doesn’t exist. You only ever see the police and your flag on TV to give the world the impression that your country is real, but it’s not, it make believe.
Go to the area of land that you claim if America and you won’t see any American flags. They are all British or French flags.
So no an American hasn’t put me in place, Americans don’t exist, just Europeans on foreign colonies.
 
I’m literally telling you fact.
Other have literally told you fact.
You point to a book which makes a claim about the word being popular in the U.K. which was conducted by an American in the build up to the World Cup where they clearly wished to legitimise the word soccer more.
I and others have pointed out how the stats of this are flawed, and how on top of the statistic not being all that conclusive, they omit the context of which the word soccer is used in articles which the study and yourself have used as evidence.
All other articles which make this claim are just referencing this same study.

I have lived what you are saying is wrong, and what others have said they are living through, and without stepping into our world you are dismissing our reality and stating it as incorrect.
What you are doing is no different from if I said America isn’t real, and you are not American but live in an area of land that is still controlled and contested by British and French forces.
You keep referencing things like the constitution, but it’s not actually real mate, it doesn’t exist. You only ever see the police and your flag on TV to give the world the impression that your country is real, but it’s not, it make believe.
Go to the area of land that you claim if America and you won’t see any American flags. They are all British or French flags.
So no an American hasn’t put me in place, Americans don’t exist, just Europeans on foreign colonies.

You’re literally, look up the definition of that word, wrong - and not telling anyone a fact. You’re wrong, you’ve been wrong the whole time, and you’ve chosen to continue being wrong in the face of being presented real, actual and undeniable facts.

I point to a book that states it, and then to the literal hundreds of thousands of newspaper articles from the entirety of the United Kingdom using the word extensively. And yet, you know a guy that’s never used it. Congratulations. You lose at not only this discussion, but a failure to understand what a logical fallacy is.

And… America is real. It’s 2 continents, actually. Europe isn’t real though, it’s actually a small part of a much larger continent that spans over to the far eastern reaches of Russia, created through mental gymnastics to perceive oneself as superior… like ignoring that you live in the country that created and popularized the term “soccer”. It’s quite sad, really.

And FIFA… and the World Cup. It’s French. The UK joined late and then quit in 1928, which is why their first appearance wasn’t until 1950. 2 decades after the United States first played in it and went undefeated in groups.
 

Rosencrantz: I don't believe in it anyway.​

Guildenstern: What?​

Rosencrantz: England.​

Guildenstern: Just a conspiracy of cartographers, then?​


To think we could be talking about the MLS agreement…or even the summer transfer window. Nice signing announced for the Spurs today. #COYS
 
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