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You’re literally, look up the definition of that word, wrong - and not telling anyone a fact. You’re wrong, you’ve been wrong the whole time, and you’ve chosen to continue being wrong in the face of being presented real, actual and undeniable facts.

I point to a book that states it, and then to the literal hundreds of thousands of newspaper articles from the entirety of the United Kingdom using the word extensively. And yet, you know a guy that’s never used it. Congratulations. You lose at not only this discussion, but a failure to understand what a logical fallacy is.

And… America is real. It’s 2 continents, actually. Europe isn’t real though, it’s actually a small part of a much larger continent that spans over to the far eastern reaches of Russia, created through mental gymnastics to perceive oneself as superior… like ignoring that you live in the country that created and popularized the term “soccer”. It’s quite sad, really.

And FIFA… and the World Cup. It’s French. The UK joined late and then quit in 1928, which is why their first appearance wasn’t until 1950. 2 decades after the United States first played in it and went undefeated in groups.
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I know now, you are that person who gets a thought/theory in their head and nothing no one says or whatever evidence you come across changes your opinion because of your ignorance.
You think you win arguments because people give up discussing things with you, providing you with evidence, real world account etc, cold hard facts, but you don’t listen and keep going on with your mantra. People end up giving up with you because they can’t decided if you are thick, arrogance, or an obnoxious troll, and because they gave up with you and likely let you have the last word, you believe you won.
You are very much like Alex Jones, wait are you Alex Jones?
You likely also make the mistake that when people laugh, you think that they are laughing with you, except they are laughing at you.

For the record, I know the USA is real, I know that America is a continent split into two sections. Anyone who saw our intersections would have known that I was making a point of trying to claim something was untrue knowing that it was, but in a way that you are doing it, in an attempt to make you realise what you were doing. The fact that it has only been you who has not realised that, just makes you look like what we Brits call, a complete and utter moron.

I also know that FIFA is French, I don’t know why you brought that up, it has never been a disputed or even discussed part of the arguement.

Oh and for the record, the 1st World Cup was not contested between nations, but between clubs in an invitational tournament. A club close to where I live (in the same region, about 40 miles away) actually won it, and were only invited by mistake.
They are called West Auckland.
 
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I know now, you are that person who gets a thought/theory in their head and nothing no one says or whatever evidence you come across changes your opinion because of your ignorance.
You think you win arguments because people give up discussing things with you, providing you with evidence, real world account etc, cold hard facts, but you don’t listen and keep going on with your mantra. People end up giving up with you because they can’t decided if you are thick, arrogance, or an obnoxious troll, and because they gave up with you and likely let you have the last word, you believe you won.
You are very much like Alex Jones, wait are you Alex Jones?
You likely also make the mistake that when people laugh, you think that they are laughing with you, except they are laughing at you.

For the record, I know the USA is real, I know that America is a continent split into two sections. Anyone who saw our intersections would have known that I was making a point of trying to claim something was untrue knowing that it was, but in a way that you are doing it, in an attempt to make you realise what you were doing. The fact that it has only been you who has not realised that, just makes you look like what we Brits call, a complete and utter moron.

I also know that FIFA is French, I don’t know why you brought that up, it has never been a disputed or even discussed part of the arguement.

Oh and for the record, the 1st World Cup was not contested between nations, but between clubs in an invitational tournament. A club close to where I live (in the same region, about 40 miles away) actually won it, and were only invited by mistake.
They are called West Auckland.

Nobody has provided any real facts. Just denial of fact. Just like I know a guy from the West Midlands, Birmingham to be precise, that disagrees with you and said the words were interchangeable in conversation into the 90s, forget the 70s. I guess that must be some small backwoods town or something and not the 2nd largest city in the country.

Oh well, it isn’t like having worked for HSBC for 16 years prior to my current international corporation hasn’t given me enough contacts in the UK to overcome your one person that you asked.

Enjoy denial. Though the river in Egypt is far more exciting.
 
It isn’t gaslighting, dude. Gaslighting is making you question reality. Reality is this word was in heavy usage, and I’ve proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt. You’re gaslighting by stating it wasn’t. Your example of stating the USA doesn’t exist is gaslighting, because reality is that it does exist. See? That’s what gaslighting is. See how that’s analogous? Reality vs reality, and denial of reality vs denial of reality.

First hand accounts, I’ve given it to you - it’s in print hundreds of thousands of times. You’re giving me hearsay. You can’t possibly rely on someone to remember everything they’ve read, heard, seen or encountered over a 70 year period. It’s impossible. That’s why it’s unreliable and subject to cognitive bias. Just accept the fact you’re wrong. It’s ok. It’s inconsequential at the end of the day. Accept your loss and move on. An American knows more about the history of the sport and the word than you do. Life goes on.


no you (claim to have) proved it might have been used by each newspaper in England once every few days. hundreds of thousands of times isnt a lot over a decade across all the regional and national newspapers in england.

thats not heavy use, and it doesnt necessarily correspond with what people called it when they talk about it. Football was watched and played by the common man, but newspapers were written by the public school boys who were more likely to be into rugby.

And it tells us nothing, as i said before, most articles about football dont say the word football so i wouldnt expect figures for football to be high either.

We will keep living in the real world and you keep living in the world of microfiche and we are all happy.




'some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assue you, it's much more serious than that'. Bill Shankly.

'football nothing without fans'. Jock Stein, Not Sir Matt Busby despite Man United's banner.


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"football brought me so many beautiful moments. it built my life" Alfredo Di Stefano.

"We did it by playing football. Pure, beautiful, inventive football" Jock Stein about the 1967 European Cup Final

“Football is the ballet of the masses.” – Dmitri Shostakovich
 
no you (claim to have) proved it might have been used by each newspaper in England once every few days. hundreds of thousands of times isnt a lot over a decade across all the regional and national newspapers in england.

thats not heavy use, and it doesnt necessarily correspond with what people called it when they talk about it. Football was watched and played by the common man, but newspapers were written by the public school boys who were more likely to be into rugby.

And it tells us nothing, as i said before, most articles about football dont say the word football so i wouldnt expect figures for football to be high either.

We will keep living in the real world and you keep living in the world of microfiche and we are all happy.




'some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assue you, it's much more serious than that'. Bill Shankly.

'football nothing without fans'. Jock Stein, Not Sir Matt Busby despite Man United's banner.


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"football brought me so many beautiful moments. it built my life" Alfredo Di Stefano.

"We did it by playing football. Pure, beautiful, inventive football" Jock Stein about the 1967 European Cup Final

“Football is the ballet of the masses.” – Dmitri Shostakovich

Dude, you really need to just quit. You lost. You’re wrong. It took you several days for 3 whole examples and to produce a modern picture. Meanwhile, the Senior Editor of the Oxford English Dictionary, Fiona McPherson (an actual lexicographer whose job it is to know these things) disagrees with you. The word soccer is decidedly British, and was heavily used. She even writes about it to explain it. Sucks for you.

So tell me, where in the world is the magazine named “World Soccer” based in? Where is it sold? What year was it founded? When you get that answer: sucks for you.

Ever hear of the Munich Air Disaster? 7 Busby Babes - Manchester United’s nickname for a team averaging 22 years old - died in the crash? Yeah… it was headlined as “SOCCER HORROR” in the papers and subtitled that “Seven Manchester United footballers among 21 dead in plane crash”. Terms. Used. Interchangeably. Sucks for you.
 
Dude, you really need to just quit. You lost. You’re wrong. It took you several days for 3 whole examples and to produce a modern picture. Meanwhile, the Senior Editor of the Oxford English Dictionary, Fiona McPherson (an actual lexicographer whose job it is to know these things) disagrees with you. The word soccer is decidedly British, and was heavily used. She even writes about it to explain it. Sucks for you.

So tell me, where in the world is the magazine named “World Soccer” based in? Where is it sold? What year was it founded? When you get that answer: sucks for you.

Ever hear of the Munich Air Disaster? 7 Busby Babes - Manchester United’s nickname for a team averaging 22 years old - died in the crash? Yeah… it was headlined as “SOCCER HORROR” in the papers and subtitled that “Seven Manchester United footballers among 21 dead in plane crash”. Terms. Used. Interchangeably. Sucks for you.


You do realise you have just proved my points.

Have a reread. Cheers.
 
You do realise you have just proved my points.

Have a reread. Cheers.

You do realize I have just proved MY point. For the… 50th time?

It’s an English word, used heavily into the 70s when it fell out of favor as being “too American” due to the success of the NASL. These are the facts. Proven time and again.
 
Dude, you really need to just quit. You lost. You’re wrong. It took you several days for 3 whole examples and to produce a modern picture. Meanwhile, the Senior Editor of the Oxford English Dictionary, Fiona McPherson (an actual lexicographer whose job it is to know these things) disagrees with you. The word soccer is decidedly British, and was heavily used. She even writes about it to explain it. Sucks for you.

So tell me, where in the world is the magazine named “World Soccer” based in? Where is it sold? What year was it founded? When you get that answer: sucks for you.

Ever hear of the Munich Air Disaster? 7 Busby Babes - Manchester United’s nickname for a team averaging 22 years old - died in the crash? Yeah… it was headlined as “SOCCER HORROR” in the papers and subtitled that “Seven Manchester United footballers among 21 dead in plane crash”. Terms. Used. Interchangeably. Sucks for you.

Sorry mate, i have a life so answering 3 days later is pretty good for me, whereas i guess the minute a notification pops up you through your copy of OCR monthly aside, proclaim loudly 'to the microfiche' and immediately sit at your macbook which you affectionately call Alfred.

i didnt find 'examples' like you do, i quoted some of the greats as illustration to my point and that was one of the reasons i said you proved my point, that it went over your head that these werent the words of a daily mirror subeditor but the spoken words of some of the greatest players/managers (and i just liked the ballet one) . You notice it was a modern picture and didnt understand the significance of it being a quote attributed to a world respected manager of the period you were talking about. If you cant see the difference (guess its the same word count) then ....

you keep proving the word was originally English. despite no one disagreeing.
you keep showing it was used in print, mainly headlines, despite no one disagreeing.

those are two facts, that you have proved and repeated 50 times, despite them not being under dispute nor do they affect the question under dispute. whether Soccer was the "the most common term used in England until the 1970s"

You also keep mentioning this idea that English people stopped using it due to jealousy of the success of the NASL which would sort of need the NASL to be seen by the English as a success. You do realise that it was considered a bit of a joke when it was mentioned at all. alas in those days we could just catch highlights of scottish and english fooball, we didnt get to see the decent foreign leagues like LA Liga, or Serie A (until Channel 4 made it trendy) never mind the NASL so the only clips we ever saw were those taking the p out of the daft rule changes you introduced like the weird penalties. the novelty of well past it famous names struggling to break into a jog whilst topping up their pensions gave it the credibility of Jeux Sans Frontieres, well except we could actually watch that on tv if we wanted to.


I remember World Soccer, was more of a Shoot or Match fan. the name basically gives it away, the name was to give it an international feel. if your theory is right why didnt they change the name to world football in jealousy over the raging success of the NASL?

Its actually a great example of the disconnect between our 'real world' of conversation and your 'world of print.

For example, when i was a student i read 'Melody Maker' as well as NME for my music info. Cant say id ever use it as a phrase. I watched Top of the Pops, but id never say to a friend, that band are top of the pops.

Later, i read Esquire and GQ - Gentleman's Quarterly. i didnt refer to my friends as esquire or write that on postcards to them, and whilst gentleman is a normal word its still a wee bit posh for referring to the guy or bloke i am referring to.

anyway, back to the football...
 
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