Apple TV tvOS Simulator Shown Running in 4K Resolution

[Chupa Chupa]

Of course it's not scientific, but on one hand I've got my own eyes telling me one thing and on the other "experts" on the internet telling me I can't see the difference that I can clearly see.

I guess you didn't get the memo. "Experts" are more wise than your very own eyes. Whatever you experience is lies, lies, lies. They have labs and degrees and ancient rings of filigree. So it is not for us to say what is right. We must leave it to them to surmise.

 

[Thunderhawks]

It bothers me that this is a big deal. The apple I remember woild have released the ATV 3 in 4k. Multiple years ahead not barely scathing behind.

It bothers me that people cannot figure out that sometimes today's technologies were not even available a few years ago or take a while to be ready for prime-time.
The Apple I remember considered the aTV a hobby, which of course was a joke.

Combine the aTV with the Mac mini, put a home pod on top of it or integrate into the same shell, (all same footprint) and let's get a user upgradeable SSD in there and we have a super product, nobody has.

Show us some "courage" and consider it an important product with regular upgrade cycles.

 

[X--X]

Ok.

But I can.

I clarified my statement, this of course is for Movie and TV content, not computer screens or games obviously.

 

[Jayderek]

You can't see 4k resolution with your home television. Period. (If you're human)

I guess I'm superhuman then - please pardon me while I go shopping for a costume.

I can absolutely see 4K and HDR benefits and that's NOT marketing. But go ahead, keep claiming otherwise and enjoy whatever set-up you have that you're clinging to

 

[Thunderhawks]

A little frustrating that they don't already have 4k. I mean come on, it's 2017, and we still don't have it, AND we are now forced to buy new Apple TV's, yet again, if we want it.

You do know that technology moves on and whatever you buy is outdated as soon as you pay for it?

 

[Jsameds]

I guess you didn't get the memo. "Experts" are more wise than your very own eyes. Whatever you experience is lies, lies, lies. They have labs and degrees and ancient rings of filigree. So it is not for us to say what is right. We must leave it to them to surmise.

This reminds me so much of "Retina" displays.

Jobs (and his team of experts) were adamant that it was the highest resolution you needed on a phone because you can't resolve individual pixels at normal viewing distances.

That was all well and good, until you compared a 1440p 4.7" display side by side with the 750p "retina" on iPhone. Funnily enough the 1440 display looked better, despite all that pixel business.

And now we have "Retina HD" which again flies in the face of these experts..

 

[X--X]

I guess I'm superhuman then [...]

I can absolutely see 4K and HDR benefits and that's NOT marketing.

HDR, Yes absolutely makes a difference.

4K, NO it doesn't. (for movie and TV content)


MORE HERE: https://theasc.com/articles/a-clear-look-at-the-issue-of-resolution

DEMO VIDEO: http://yedlin.net/ResDemo/

 

[bornmann]

I guess you didn't get the memo. "Experts" are more wise than your very own eyes. Whatever you experience is lies, lies, lies. They have labs and degrees and ancient rings of filigree. So it is not for us to say what is right. We must leave it to them to surmise.

It’s for you to understand what these hard facts prove. But I guess in a post-truth age personal anecdotes are worth more than actual reason. Luckily people can’t be deceived.

But hey, since anecdotes matter to you: Got a 4K TV for my mum, marvelled at crispness of the image, assumed 4K, it was 1080p. Boom, now I’m right, this is how that works, yeah?

 

[Chupa Chupa]

A little frustrating that they don't already have 4k. I mean come on, it's 2017, and we still don't have it, AND we are now forced to buy new Apple TV's, yet again, if we want it.

Well, no. You don't need a 4K ATV if you don't have a 4K TV. And if you do have a 4K TV and an ATV4 Tim Cook or Phil Schiller will not be knocking on your door in the middle of the night with a goon squad that will pull you out of bed, perp walk you to your computer and hold you at gun point until you log on to Apple.com and click the "buy" button for an ATV5.

If you don't want a 4K ATV then it's simple - don't buy one. Either way it's free will.

 

[adamjackson]

If this is 4K w/ HDR10, I'll be really excited. I totally understand that Apple's movie catalogue won't be flush with 4K titles and that most people can't stream 4K content due to slow Internet but there are enough of us that this is worth it. Every other major player supports 4K and Amazon Prime + Netflix have a lot of original 4K content that we can access on day one.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/releasedates.php?4k=1

There are a lot of 4K movies being released on disk now meaning having them in the movies store will be fairly easy for Apple to implement.

It's up to rights holders but if Apple can upgrade our purchased movies to 4K as they come available, OMG that would be insanely awesome.

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I'll add that HDR is far more important than 4K from an overall experience standpoint. A majority of these 4K releases are 2.7K film releases upscaled to 4K but a lot of them get an HDR treatment which is millions of more colors. Mad Max in Blu-Ray versus 4K HDR is a gigantic difference. So even if you sit 10 feet away from a 55" screen and experts think you can't discern the pixels, you can discern color and will benefit from this.

 

[xinam]

Shut up and take my money.

 

[IGI2]

Can’t argue with your scientific test. Congratulations on your superpowers, please use them for good.

Day and night means that the difference is so significant that you don't need to conduct the scientific experiments.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

It’s for you to understand what these hard facts prove. But I guess in a post-truth age personal anecdotes are worth more than actual reason. Luckily people can’t be deceived.

But hey, since anecdotes matter to you: Got a 4K TV for my mum, marvelled at crispness of the image, assumed 4K, it was 1080p. Boom, now I’m right, this is how that works, yeah?

What because I choose to believe what I actually see, not what some vaunted or maybe anon. "expert" writes? A wine critic writes that X wine tastes like vinegar. Maybe it does to him. Maybe it does to everyone. But maybe there are some that like it anyway. And maybe some think it tastes like cherries. But, hey, don't bother tasting for yourself because the expert already told you it was trash and his palette is more refined than yours could ever hope to be, right?

Judging a TV's PQ is subjective no matter how scientific you want to make it. It's not of the indisputable "the sun is a giant ball of gas" type of objective science. Sorry. And those who pound the table in favor of the "expert" -- they are the real sheep here.

 

[BeefCake 15]

4K TV owner here. I can see the difference sitting 8ft away from my 55". It's so smooth and gaming jaggies are reduced massively.

I'm interested in the gaming part, does it have to be those new 4K gaming or regular games also benefit?

Side Note:

What if the difference in quality also has to do with the TVs getting improved technologies from the 1080P ones beyond just 4K. It's an added variable we may not know about.

 

[nozebleed]

It bothers me that this is a big deal. The apple I remember woild have released the ATV 3 in 4k. Multiple years ahead not barely scathing behind.

A little frustrating that they don't already have 4k. I mean come on, it's 2017, and we still don't have it, AND we are now forced to buy new Apple TV's, yet again, if we want it.

exactly. i was so frustrated i bought a 4K firetv, years ago. its almost hilarious, really

 

[X--X]

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When you're done face-palming, learn more.

HERE: https://theasc.com/articles/a-clear-look-at-the-issue-of-resolution

DEMO VIDEO: http://yedlin.net/ResDemo/

 

[Booch21]

4K TV owner here. I can see the difference sitting 8ft away from my 55". It's so smooth and gaming jaggies are reduced massively.

Same for me and my 65" 4K tv. There is a noticeable difference at 6' to 10' away over standard HD.

 

[Jsameds]

I'm interested in the gaming part, does it have to be those new 4K gaming or regular games also benefit?

Side Note:

What if the difference in quality also has to do with the TVs getting improved technologies from the 1080P ones beyond just 4K. It's an added variable we may not know about.

In gaming terms, if you're putting a 1080p or lower signal (as a lot of PS4/XB1 games are) into both a 1080p and a 4K display, it's going to look practically identical on both. There may be a slight improvement on the 4K one depending on the scaler that the TV uses, but it the vast majority of cases I'd say it'd look practically identical.

PS4 Pro (and soon Xbox One X) outputs some games at native 4K, but most are 1440p or 1800p upscaled to 4K using a clever technique called checkerboard rendering, that makes games look as close to native 4K as you can get, so you'd really need one of those (or an adequate PC) to make the upgrade to a 4K TV worth it.

As for your 2nd point, I have done comparisons in games that allow you to change resolution mid-game. Rise of the Tomb Raider on PS4 Pro for example allows you to switch between 1080p and 4K checkerboard so you can compare yourself, and yes I do think that the resolution boost alone (aside from screen technology) makes a large difference.

 

[Juicy Box]

I only want a more powerful ATV, that's all

A8 is way too old for today's standards

I agree.
I would have been happy with the ATV4 having 4k, but it not having it wasn't that big of a deal to me. I just wished the ATV4 would have been the revolutionary product that Apple said it was going to be.

The pre-launched rumors claimed that the ATV4 might be capable to Xbox 360 quality games.

Having the ATV4 gimped at launch with the underpowered hardware, stupid Siri remote requirement for apps, and the app size limitation basically killed off any momentum that was built prior to the launch.

The ATV4 went from revolutionary, to just another streaming box without 4k is a few weeks after launch.

 

[Spankey]

Experts have found that for you to see a difference between 1080p and 4k, you need a giant 80" TV and sit as close as 6.5 feet.

Short: Nobody needs 4k, you can't see it. It's a marketing gimmick.

HDR on the other hand, makes a real difference.

This is largely true. All anyone needs to do is watch The Grand Tour on Amazon TV on a 4k set with HDR. The show is actually in 1080P but is HDR and is eye bleedingly good. Until I pulled up the actual resolution I would have sworn it was 4k.

Yes there can be a visual difference but it is not that dramatic on smaller (<80") screens as HDR and Dolby Vision is.

It was better that Apple waited to release a box with both HDR and DV instead of one with only higher resolution.

 

[Jsameds]

This is largely true. All anyone needs to do is watch The Grand Tour on Amazon TV on a 4k set with HDR. The show is actually in 1080P but is HDR and is eye bleedingly good. Until I pulled up the actual resolution I would have sworn it was 4k.

Yes there can be a visual difference but it is not that dramatic on smaller (<80") screens as HDR and Dolby Vision is.

It was better that Apple waited to release a box with both HDR and DV instead of one with only higher resolution.

The Grand Tour is in 4K. What were you using to view the resolution?

Also available in UHD

 

[X--X]

The Grand Tour is in 4K.

You can stream both 1080p HDR and 4k HDR.

 

[Jsameds]

You can stream both 1080p HDR and 4k HDR.

I know. I'm asking how he knew the stream he was watching was 1080p.

 

[[AUT] Thomas]

It bothers me that this is a big deal. The apple I remember woild have released the ATV 3 in 4k. Multiple years ahead not barely scathing behind.

There's barely 4K content. We're talking streaming here -not BluRays.
Other than that, even older HDMI standards can do 4K easily -just not at 60fps. In this case we are talking HDMI 1.4 which runs UHD natively. That said, the resolution isn't hard-limited in the HDMI protocoll as far as I know. I run an old Mac Mini 2011 at 3440x1440 over HDMI.

Conclusion: I'm pretty sure UHD/4K on the AppleTV is a software update. What it doesn't do with a software update is HDR, 60fps,... But, frankly, streaming THAT will require a decent internet connection...

@X--X You're both right and wrong. Practically, there's barely streaming content that will make use of UHD (i.e. actually appear sharper than FHD). BUT if you have real UHD content (4K mastered) it looks really stunning as the pixels are so small that they are indeed not recognizeable anymore at the correct viewing distance.

 

[profets]

It bothers me that this is a big deal. The apple I remember woild have released the ATV 3 in 4k. Multiple years ahead not barely scathing behind.

The Apple I remember releases a product when all the pieces are in place (HVEC in hardware, content in software) rather than releasing technology for technology's sake.