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Just FYI. The UK license is for having a device in your property capable of receiving live transmissions whether you use it or not. If the device you use to view content from any source has a TV tuner, used or not, you need a license. Should you ever get a knock on the door and go to court, the adjudicator will stop your defence at:
'Is it capable of receiving live OTA transmissions?'
'Yes but...'
'Case closed. Next.....'
;-)

Been there, done that :-/

Not true.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/Live-TV-and-how-you-watch-it

When don’t I need a TV Licence?

If you never watch or record live TV, you don’t need a TV Licence.

Without a licence you can only:
  • Watch on demand – including catch-up TV and on demand previews – through services like BBC iPlayer, ITV Player, 4oD, Demand 5, BT Vision, Virgin Media, Sky Go, Now TV, Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku and Amazon Fire TV.
  • Watch on demand movies from providers like Sky, Virgin Media, BT Vision, Netflix and Amazon Instant Video.
  • Watch recorded films and programmes either from a disc (e.g. DVD or Blu-ray) or downloaded from the internet.
  • Watch on demand internet video clips through services like YouTube.
  • Play video games
 
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Just FYI. The UK license is for having a device in your property capable of receiving live transmissions whether you use it or not. If the device you use to view content from any source has a TV tuner, used or not, you need a license. Should you ever get a knock on the door and go to court, the adjudicator will stop your defence at:
'Is it capable of receiving live OTA transmissions?'
'Yes but...'
'Case closed. Next.....'
;-)

Been there, done that :-/

But without an aerial it is NOT capable of receiving OTA transmissions. It requires an extra piece of hardware to be capable.
 
Swiss-G is absolutely correct. The law is very clear. You do not need a television licence if you do not watch or record live tv.
 
Got me an Apple TV for crimbo. It's good, hopefully it will become very good over the next couple of years. Not sure how much use it will get after the novelty wears off. I think it needed its first Christmas to spike sales and get more developers interested. Seriously gutted there is no Amazon video app as I have a Prime account, not sure what Amazon are playing at.

My biggest issue with it though is the lack of audio out. I mean, seriously WTF?

Only option for connecting it to my hifi for music duties seems to be a hdmi audio splitter. Anyone here tried one they can recommend? Are there any other options I should consider?
 
It is true.
It is very carefully worded. Basically, if you have equipment capable of receiving transmissions, they will accept no proof you can provide that you NEVER use it.
This also negates the aerial argument posted above.

Carry on in your happy little world folks, as was I, but I will guarantee you this, if you have equipment capable, you require a license, and should you end up in court there is no proof you can offer that will stop you getting found against; I have a £2.5K fine plus costs to prove it.....

You can't (easily if at all) prove a negative.

As I was told, if I truely did not ever access transmitions, why do I need a device with a tuner, when display panels without such capabilities are available.
 
Suit yourselves. Just trying to help someone not make the mistake I did when I thought I did't need one.

And I assume your all sooooooo confident that you have officially notified the license agency (as you are obligated to do) and filled in your declarations allowing them to investigate you and provide confirmation that you don't need one?

No, thought not......
 
Suit yourselves. Just trying to help someone not make the mistake I did when I thought I did't need one.

And I assume your all sooooooo confident that you have officially notified the license agency (as you are obligated to do) and filled in your declarations allowing them to investigate you and provide confirmation that you don't need one?

No, thought not......

I don't need to fill in a declaration, as I watch live TV and therefore pay for a TV Licence.

You claim to have been fined 2.5 x the maximum fine, so it's understandable if your claim is challenged.
 
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People can of course challenge what they wish. But then there's nit picking for the sake of it while not knowing the circumstances just to be 'clever'.
If I'd have posted chapter and verse detailing the whole sorry saga I would have been had up for taking the thread OT.
For info, there is no mistake, the maximum fine is £1000 per offence....

And that's it, I f'ed up and got collared, and even though I can legitimately now claim to not access live transmitions in one of my properties, I pay the license anyway.

Think VERY carefully, I am still no fan of this tax, but while ever they have the full weight of the state and criminal law behind them they will have no incentive to be sensible or any less vigorous in their efforts to get people to pay. If you genuinely believe you don't need one, do it properly, fill in the form allow them to visit and investigate you; then you will have the paperwork to legitimise your position. It usually (so I read) only takes one pre arranged visit and 2 or 3 random surprise ones.
 
People can of course challenge what they wish. But then there's nit picking for the sake of it while not knowing the circumstances just to be 'clever'.
If I'd have posted chapter and verse detailing the whole sorry saga I would have been had up for taking the thread OT.
For info, there is no mistake, the maximum fine is £1000 per offence....

And that's it, I f'ed up and got collared, and even though I can legitimately now claim to not access live transmitions in one of my properties, I pay the license anyway.

Think VERY carefully, I am still no fan of this tax, but while ever they have the full weight of the state and criminal law behind them they will have no incentive to be sensible or any less vigorous in their efforts to get people to pay. If you genuinely believe you don't need one, do it properly, fill in the form allow them to visit and investigate you; then you will have the paperwork to legitimise your position. It usually (so I read) only takes one pre arranged visit and 2 or 3 random surprise ones.

Not trying to nit pick or be clever. Simply curious as to why you had a £2.5k fine. Thank you for the explanation.
 
It is true.
It is very carefully worded. Basically, if you have equipment capable of receiving transmissions, they will accept no proof you can provide that you NEVER use it.
This also negates the aerial argument posted above.

Carry on in your happy little world folks, as was I, but I will guarantee you this, if you have equipment capable, you require a license, and should you end up in court there is no proof you can offer that will stop you getting found against; I have a £2.5K fine plus costs to prove it.....

You can't (easily if at all) prove a negative.

As I was told, if I truely did not ever access transmitions, why do I need a device with a tuner, when display panels without such capabilities are available.

Lets not spread this ******** please.

You don't prove a negative you prove a positive. They need to prove you watched / recorded live TV which they can only do by witnessing it or you sign a form to admit to it.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/Live-TV-and-how-you-watch-it

One simple question makes it easy to know if you need a TV Licence:

Am I watching or recording live TV on any device?

Live TV means any programme you watch or record at the same time as it's being shown on TV or an online TV service. An online TV service is a service that mainly aims to provide TV programmes over the internet, e.g. on a website or through an app or Smart TV.

If you only ever watch on demand programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on live TV.
 
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Suit yourselves. Just trying to help someone not make the mistake I did when I thought I did't need one.

And I assume your all sooooooo confident that you have officially notified the license agency (as you are obligated to do) and filled in your declarations allowing them to investigate you and provide confirmation that you don't need one?

No, thought not......

I phoned them and even got a refund. I also removed their implied right of access at the same time which means they need a search warrant granted by a judge to enter my property. I have no TV aerial or dish attach to the house either. If they ever did get a search warrant (they wont because they need evidence of a possible breach) they will waste their time completely.
 
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