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Is it worth it paying $3,000 for PCIe slots? Especially if you cannot use GPUs in those PCIe slots?

It should be a pretty binary decision, to be honest.

If you have workflows that require non-GPU PCIe cards, then yes. If not, then no.

We'll need to wait to see if they made any differences that will requires special Apple Silicon Wheels.

In all seriousness, I don't see Apple wanting to stock two versions of wheels when the chassis is identical between the Intel and Apple Silicon models.
 
Imagine spending $7,000 every year to stay current.

I'm guessing a year-old Apple Silicon Mac Pro will still hold a lot of value. You should be able to sell it and get most of that money back.

If you must upgrade to the new Mac Pro every year.... you won't be throwing away the old one.

:p
 
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Apple would rather sell you a new Mac than a new SoC.

There's no precedent or incentive. Its already expensive enough to manufacutre SoCs with decent yeilds.

Much less trying to sell an SoC as an upgrade component.

And it is possible the physical package socket for each generation changes, especially as memory performance improves.
 
No MPX slots means that they are probably not ever planning on supporting third party GPUs even as compute accelerators.
MPX is proprietary apple slot. With this move Apple moves 100% to PCIE which is a great step.

Any grpahics card can now be *in theory* installed to MacPro if the Driver and vendor support comes to macOS
 
Does the Mac Pro at least have ECC RAM?

My guess is no since they did not mention the M2 Ultra having ECC RAM and the RAM is part of the overall package.

The Intel Mac Pros had ECC because that is what Intel specified and Apple appears to feel differently.
 
No I meant can we bring our 2019 Mac Pro to Apple and have them swap the guts out to the Apple Silicon MB guts.
whats in it for either you or apple? the case is mot the computer that would save you $500 of a $7000 computer???
 
That chassis is incredibly empty. I feel like they're going to move very few of these.
Sure, but it is just a Mac Studio in a posh box with some PCIe slots (be interesting to find out how they are driven, whether they can take GPUs etc.) It hasn't exactly been a massive R&D effort for them to recoup.
 
Soldered Ram. Great. Wonder if it will work with AMD GPUs
Did they really solder the RAM in the MacPro onto its mother board? That was a major flexibility one expected in a MacPro. If so, they should ship every one with the maximum RAM it can support.
 
MPX is proprietary apple slot. With this move Apple moves 100% to PCIE which is a great step.

Any grpahics card can now be *in theory* installed to MacPro if the Driver and vendor support comes to macOS
The 2019 Mac Pro could already use PCIE GPUs without MPX. This is a downgrade not an upgrade. The MPX slot doubled the bandwidth to the GPU (IIRC) enabling Thunderbolt passthrough and providing power. The lack of an MPX slot, to me, shows that they no longer have plans for high bandwidth direct connection to the main SoC which bodes ill for the idea of accelerators. There was never going to be external GPUs driving the display but I was hoping they would let you have additional M2Ultra SoCs as accelerators. It is likely that the new PCIe slots aren't directly attached to the SoC but instead are hanging off of a PCIe chip instead.
 
I literally have no idea who is this machine for apart from some super-duper niche music makers who need an edge in power and PCI slots. This is like 0.00007% market share. W T F

Maybe Hans Zimmer types.. I just picked up an M2 Pro Mini 2 weeks ago and judging by how my CPU meter dropped to like nothing in my Cubase projects, I dont think musicians will be looking beyond the Studio's. Pretty much the way its been since the M1s were released heh.
 
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Wow, this is very expensive. It is truly for Pros and we are not one of those. I guess our family will have to choose between a new MacMini, which seems to have too little memory at the max, or the MacStudio. But we will have to buy new external enclosures for our eSATA external hard disks. We will also have to boot from an external hard disk as Apple's prices for storage are on the expensive side. Our Intel MacPro is already too old and has no supported software updates. It will become another Linux server at the home.
 
My guess is no since they did not mention the M2 Ultra having ECC RAM and the RAM is part of the overall package.

The Intel Mac Pros had ECC because that is what Intel specified and Apple appears to feel differently.

Well, It looks like my decision to offload the work to a linux box was a good idea...
 
It all depends on nVidia and AMD GPUs to be made compatible driver with Apple Silicon/macOS. They already have ARM drivers so this should be no problem.

With compatibility of Other PCIE cars such as SSDs, Network, Audio, this is the best upgrade ever.

192GB not enough? For what exactly? For those 5 people who run supercomputers in their basement on climate simulations?
what are you talking about I use after effects and psd maxing out my 256GB of ram ALL THE TIME!?!? I am not even a special case? i just manipulate 2GB psb files with hundreds of layers as well as work on 8k plus AE files for projection mapping and other large format video projections. neither of these are edge cases. Photoshop, after effects, cinema 4d all these eat up ram like there is no tomorrow and perform dramatically better with more of it.
 
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