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“They want to use Apple's tools and technologies, distribute on the ‌App Store‌, and benefit from the trust we've built with users - and pay Apple nothing for it,"

Exactly!
Apple sells access to their tools and store for $99.

They just want to pay the same charges as all the other developers (the Booking apps, Ubers etc.).
 
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but what exactly is the legitimate business case for releasing one, if you don't intend to use it for running software that you otherwise don't own the rights to?
Very simple: Releasing an emulator that you intent to offer software for that you have the rights to.
Do we know that the EU forced Apple to allow emulators? It seems like a very specific category of software to capitulate over.
Emulators with in-app stores are allowed in the EU.
I wonder if it's Apple realising that third party app stores will very likely be used to distribute software normally not allowed in the App Store (emulators possibly being on the top of the list), and so deciding to reverse their policy so that users have one less reason to venture outside of the iOS App Store.
Exactly: I fully agree with this take here:
With even the threat of possible competition offering something Apple don’t, seeing Apple open up their app store to new categories of apps is a step in the right direction. Competition based on merit, not market dominance.

Edit: and worldwide implementation as a bonus; likely because they don’t want the publicity of decently regulated markets having exclusive access to things unavailable elsewhere.
They want to maintain the illusion that all types of (non-adult) apps can be purchased from their own store.

Not only is retro gaming is quite a popular category of applications that would "motivate" users. It's also one whose user base is would be inclined to "sideload" such stores if (reasonably) possible. And Apple may receive negative media coverage if such apps are available in Europe but not the US.

They'd rather let the genie out of the bottle and charge their commissions as much as they can - than leaving the business to someone else.
 
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So now you can get emulators from the App Store we still get complaints …

No matter what Apple does, people want to complain.

“Oh Apple want their cut”. Geez.
You got the emulator you never thought you would from the Apple App Store.

In one swift move Apple has given many users no reason to download an alt App Store ;)
 
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No matter what Apple does, people want to complain.

“Oh Apple want their cut”.
Where did I (or anyone else) complain about? 🤷‍♀️

Apple deserve their cut for transactions conducted through them at the rates they deem competitive.
No complaints from me. As long as they aren’t having a monopoly (or anticompetitive advantage) on such transactions.

Competition works.
 
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And how many apps does your mother run that she didnt get from the official app store? :)
Well, considering there isn't yet any unofficial app stores, none.. but I suspect there will be some EU specific apps in due course. Especially I suspect our banks bonus scheme NFC app will be only available in EU restriction.
 
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The point is that you were at least allowed to RIP songs from CDs that you already owned to load onto an iPod (or any other MP3 player for that matter). Which gave Apple enough of a legal cover to hide behind.
You actually weren't. At least in the US, until 2014. Here in Canada our own Copyright Modernization Act passed in 2012 allow for it specifically. Before that it was a wild west here. Our copyright modernization act was modelled after the DMCA but one of the talking points was that it allowed for format shifting that you Yanks didn't allow under the original DMCA, you guyss could not legally format shift, even for personal use. It wasn't until a 2014 amendment to the DMCA that formally allowed format shifting for you guys. Though I believe the povisions were paused for 5 years under a Hargraves review as of 2009. And thats only for non-TPM (technical protection measures) sources. Its still illegal to break TPMs to format shift... Using DeCSS on DVDs to rip is illegal. Using something that strips AACS from Blurays is illegal. Even those godawful rootkit CDs were illegal to circumvent, even if you did have a right to format shift. Ripping regular CDs, digitizing needle drops from vinyl, or going old school and making mix tapes in dual cassette decks... go to town.

You can also legally dump ROMs from carts and CDs from those systems under format shifting since they contain no TPMs. So emulators are legal fine. More so than software like Plex or MakeMKV or DeCSS (depending on the country you live in of course - some countries allow for defeating TPMs for personal use).
 
Do we know that the EU forced Apple to allow emulators? It seems like a very specific category of software to capitulate over. I wonder if it's Apple realising that third party app stores will very likely be used to distribute software normally not allowed in the App Store (emulators possibly being on the top of the list), and so deciding to reverse their policy so that users have one less reason to venture outside of the iOS App Store.

I am still unsure of their legality though. I know people can come up with 101 reasons to justify why emulators shouldn't be illegal, but at the end of the day, what matters is how the law interprets it, and how aggressively companies like Nintendo choose to defend their IP. Like in this case, do they choose to sue Apple, the developer or the person distributing the ROMs?
How’s is emulator any different from a video player in that regard? If it was written without any use of someone’s IP then it’s just an app that does something. What users do is nobodies business.
 
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I'm still confused...
Has the iPhone actually introduced the sideloading functionality, or do we still need to wait for an update?
Mind you, I'm not interestd in the functionality, but I haven't seen any videos yet showing the added functionality.
I expected lots of attention over this thing...
 
I'm still confused...
Has the iPhone actually introduced the sideloading functionality, or do we still need to wait for an update?
Mind you, I'm not interestd in the functionality, but I haven't seen any videos yet showing the added functionality.
I expected lots of attention over this thing...
Not directly, no, only via the alternative app store line, of which none have yet been released. Which is not 'true' sideloading at end user level.
 
This is what that joker Louis Rossmann advocates - unfettered piracy. The ways and lengths he goes to to try and excuse his illegal activities is rather cute.

He was talking the other day about how he once ordered a physical copy of an Alice In Chains album from some place online, and because he couldn't be bothered to wait a few days for his order to arrive he deciced to go and illegally obtain one via piracy. He laughably attempted to justify it claiming that since he already purchased a physical copy of the album online, everyone was compensated.

Except for the fact that Alice In Chains wasn't compensated for the album that Rossmann stole via piracy. They were only compensated for the physical album he bought from like Amazon.

I'm honestly against emulators and wish Apple had told the EU to pound sand over the matter.
You can also think of it that he bought the album and thus licensed a copy of the content. Whether he listens to the physical album or a copy downloaded from the Internet, he's only listening to what he's entitled to due to his purchase.

You can either think of media as physical ownership or licensing. The industry really wants it to be licensing. So why not let it be that way?
 
Looks like the main reason for alt app stores suddenly evaporated ;)

By offering it officially, 99% wont bother loading alt app stores...

Next complaints will be the poor touch controls affecting game play.
Why would Apple cater to or care for emulator apps when no body uses it?
 
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I think it makes a lot of sense to lock down macOS like iOS to protect against apps that could be used for illegal activities and websites on the Internet.
Why? MacOS uses gatekeeper and runtime protection which is just fine as it is. There are no issues with people acquiring apps from web sites also. Its way different then what we are stuck with using iOS. :p
 
Well, considering there isn't yet any unofficial app stores, none.. but I suspect there will be some EU specific apps in due course. Especially I suspect our banks bonus scheme NFC app will be only available in EU restriction.
and you're expecting your mother will be a big part of the alt app store download system?

let's face it, there is MINIMAL interest. and not a lot of people will pay for the few apps that will be there.
Epic will do it most likely. So some hardcore PHONE players will take it up (most video games with touch controls suck badly anyway). A few want "super WiFi tools". that's hardly mainstream either. Every other use case has been even more niche.

The game emulators who were the biggest and loudest group and now can get it thru the official app store.
Apple has pulled the rug by relenting. ;)
It's a no cost option for them as well.
There were never going to make money from this category.
It's a tool that will let some people load illegal ROMs.
A few will still have the original cartridges they could legally play but until now had no way to.
 
let's face it, there is MINIMAL interest
Not only haven’t the third-party stores really started in the marketplace. Apple also has given its best to make third-party stores financially disadvantaged to unviable. Particularly through their Core Technology Fee.

It doesn’t have to be about categories of apps that someone Apple disallows. Let’s face it: someone could offer a better curated app store than Apple does - and/or they could do it at lower commissions.

So let’s not jump to foregone conclusions here.
 
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Game emulators has been something that I have missed from my days of Android, I think that will be a fun addition. I am shocked that Apple will allow it to be honest.
Only in th EU - no game emulators in the USA or South Korea …
 
Only in th EU - no game emulators in the USA or South Korea …
Allowing retro game emulators is a worldwide change.

They - and I agree with the The Verge on this - probably made that concession in response to the DOJ’s antitrust lawsuit with regards to “super apps”. EU developers being able to offer them and the US DOJ suing them about it was probably reason enough to give in.
 
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Do we know that the EU forced Apple to allow emulators? It seems like a very specific category of software to capitulate over. I wonder if it's Apple realizing that third party app stores will very likely be used to distribute software normally not allowed in the App Store (emulators possibly being on the top of the list), and so deciding to reverse their policy so that users have one less reason to venture outside of the iOS App Store.

I guess a competing space made dormant by policy, yet awaken by DMA, will benefit App Store users. How is this even possible? :)
 
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You can run the various WAD files in many of the current emulators; and teh WAD files are easy to get from the CD Ross. Even some of the original games had the first episode as free/shareware and are readily available for d/l as well. Carmack certainly was supportive of his customer base over the years.

This recent news has made me curious if Dolphin will be available through the App Store (and from my quick look into it, unlikely)

Now, I just thought of the possibility of Doom WADs being available in the App Store. Not getting my hopes up, but man oh man how fun that would be.
 
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