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Annoyingly, everyone will assume that the next non-white or female leader hired will have been hired as a result of this policy change, and not on their individual merits.

If it's culture that's holding people back then fix the culture (not the bylaws). Don't force some artificial mix because of perceptions from the outside.

Exactly. Is there any evidence that Apple's culture is resulting in hiring white men over equally qualified women or minorities?
 
I don't even get it. Why not just pick whos best for the job? I can see the point if two people are equally qualified, but they keep picking older white males.

Why not try to pick who is best, before commenting on gender or other factors.

We live in a world where what you just said is considered by many to be bigoted, sexist, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, etc. That's why.
 
There's a difference between sexism and a lack of qualified candidates. If a male candidate is better qualified, hire him. If a male and female candidate are equally qualified, and you pick the woman because she's a woman, isn't that also sexism?

No, it isn't. It's fair play. Do you really want to say that the disparity of women in important positions is because they aren't capable like men are?

Clearly, women have been discriminated against for years, placing many men in positions that they really didn't deserve because there was an equally qualified (or even more qualified) woman who got passed over.

It is only fair to try to right this wrong by helping equally qualified women to get an advantage to address past wrongs.

I would never advocate for a women who is less qualified to be chosen over a man, but when they are equally qualified, it is morally the right thing to do, since we have discriminated against them in the past.

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Good, then Apple can get rid of Al Gore and replace him with a more qualified woman or minority. :)

But, don't they need the inventor of the Internet on their board? :p
 
They are still looking for the best person, they simply said that they will actively bring more women and minorities into the pool, not that they will give them preference.

This.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would demand that a company hire people based on their gender over their actual competence. But what this means is that they are actively seeking out people who might not have been presented to them at first. Of course, a lot of this has more to do with the a bias at a larger level than at Apple specifically, as most of the larger tech organisations have a similar problem. (i.e. women see less inspiration models in technology, therefore consider it less as a career option, therefore there are less women entering the industry, meaning less women to choose from). All this means is that they are trying to compensate for that bias, and make sure they find the best person, even if they have to be a bit more proactive.
 
Yep. Look no further then our federal government that forces this into everything.

Have you ever seen the companies that pop up because of requiring minorities to have a say. They are inept, incompetent individuals and companies that get to charge an arm and a leg and consistently fail at their job.

Diversity is complete BS.

Hire the best person regardless of skin color.

Concepts of diversity, affirmative action, etc., when applied properly, help to identify the best man for the job. Unfortunately, liberals have taken these concepts to the extreme as a means to justify the hiring of unqualified individuals in the name of social justice.

So I agree that the "best person for the job" is the right model, but I think considering an individuals socioeconomic and minority status helps to identify the best person for the job. If two individuals are competing for a job, and one individual has overcome hardships, such as discrimination and a poor upbringing, that particular individual has demonstrated a level of skill and competence over another individual who has not had to deal with such hardships. I'm not saying that the first person should automatically get the job over the second, but the first person would get some points in my book since he/she has demonstrated character, tenacity, and perseverance, which are all profitable traits in a prospective employee.
 
I'm not sure about this. In principle, sure, I'll vote for more diversity.

But be careful, Apple! Put more females in the boardroom could create distraction and tensions (if there is more than one females, they'd compete sometimes); just look at the HP for the last decade or so for all the dramas they created... :D

Wow :(.
 
"The company is also set to add Burberry CEO Angela Ahrendts to its executive team in the spring"

Well, that is 2x the number of woman then. Incredible growth.
 
"The company is also set to add Burberry CEO Angela Ahrendts to its executive team in the spring"

Well, that is 2x the number of woman then. Incredible growth.
Given women make up half the population shouldn't the long term aim be to make the board half women? Then Apple is woefully short.
 
Exactly. Is there any evidence that Apple's culture is resulting in hiring white men over equally qualified women or minorities?

Maybe the courts should force Apple to hire a Monitorship to sit in the boardroom and keep an eye on proceedings to see if this is happening. They could hold private meetings with Jony and Eddy and others and charge high hourly rates. :eek:
 
Shame we can't judge people on merit instead of being forced to look at gender/race/sexual orientation/religion/ect. by the progressive.
 
Shame we can't judge people on merit instead of being forced to look at gender/race/sexual orientation/religion/ect. by the progressive.

When people have equal opportunities regardless of gender/race/sexual orientation/religion etc. then sure

I thought conservatives were generally big supporters of equality of opportunity.
 
You are assuming that the best in those field are not older white males.

Diversity is something that has to be changed from the bottom to upside, not the other way around. Are there qualified members of minorities to fill the positions within Apple? If yes, and they are better than those currently there, those individuals should be employed by Apple.

If not, however, Apple should not be forced to hire unqualified people just to fill some kind of "token minority" quota. In my country, for example, few women apply for engineering courses, so it's expected that there are more great engineers of the male gender than the female gender - simply because there are more male engineers than female engineers.

+1 this is pretty much exactly what I was going to say.
 
Hmm

Nothing defeats feminism more then when men "install" a female leader or implement a quota.
 
Given women make up half the population shouldn't the long term aim be to make the board half women? Then Apple is woefully short.

If someone has decided that the best way to run a business is to make the employee base mimic the world's demographics, then sure. Otherwise, no.
 
If someone has decided that the best way to run a business is to make the employee base mimic the world's demographics, then sure. Otherwise, no.

So you don't think in the long run women aren't equal to men? Seriously?

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Nothing defeats feminism more then when men "install" a female leader or implement a quota.

So what should they do to make sure women get onto boards?
 
Concepts of diversity, affirmative action, etc., when applied properly, help to identify the best man for the job. Unfortunately, liberals have taken these concepts to the extreme as a means to justify the hiring of unqualified individuals in the name of social justice.

It really wasn't liberals as much as lazy people, and there have been enough legal precedents now that what used to happen, doesn't happen all that much.

You can't use quotas, and if you give "points" to a candidate for being a minority, you have to show that diversity is a key characteristic of your organization. Like a college that argues that a diverse population benefits all students by being exposed to people different than themselves. But those points can't be a substantial part of the decision, meaning that it gives them a distinct advantage over non-minoirites.
 
I too disagree with this forced equality lark. I firmly believe that every company should hire the best person for the job, regardless of age race religion gender or sexual preference.

As did Steve Jobs....I highly doubt Steves goal for building his executive team was to assemble a cast of "older white males." He was basically blinded by abilities and talent to even worry about gender/race.

Besides...Eddy Cue is Cuban, the new SVP Retail will be female, and many VPs inside the company are gay (such as the VP of video apps), etc. I'd say Apple is one of the more open and diverse companies of any other in the country. They don't fill minority slots, they assign who is the most talented for the role.
 
Forced "diversity" = forced incompetence.:mad:

Best person for job, regardless of color or sex. :)

"Social Engineering"…never works.
 
The moment a choice boils down to 'well, XX isn't a (man/woman/minority/majority/local/from planet X) the whole point of picking whoever was best for the job, given the information they have to work with, has gone out the window.

Positive Discrimination.
 
As did Steve Jobs....I highly doubt Steves goal for building his executive team was to assemble a cast of "older white males." He was basically blinded by abilities and talent to even worry about gender/race.

Besides...Eddy Cue is Cuban, the new SVP Retail will be female, and many VPs inside the company are gay (such as the VP of video apps), etc. I'd say Apple is one of the more open and diverse companies of any other in the country. They don't fill minority slots, they assign who is the most talented for the role.

I'm sure Steve jobs often hired people he already knew. That produces a bias towards people like him.
 
I don't even get it. Why not just pick whos best for the job? I can see the point if two people are equally qualified, but they keep picking older white males.
Exactly this.

I don't agree with inequality in the work place, but what's just as bad is when people go out of their way to look for it; unless they can prove there are woman who were better qualified but overlooked for the job, then this is just as bad as the problem they're claiming to be against, namely because they're the ones looking at people's gender, or race or whatever.

Now if there's some proof that Apple has been unfair in its selection process then that's another matter, but until then it's nothing more than coincidental that the current board happens to include the people it does.
 
You're assuming women as a whole are the same as men in every way including their desire to be on Apple's board.

Seems like a good first approximation...

Women have generally made good leaders when given the chance. Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth (both) and Queen Victoria are some of our greatest leaders.
 
Please apple, focus on hiring the most qualified person. Gender and race should not have any effect on the hiring process. Ideally women/minorities will earn their positions based on their qualifications not just because they aren't white men. Apple needs to focus on making great products and services not political correctness.

I suppose I read the same article as you did, but somehow I understood it differently.

Apple never hires the most qualified person. They hire the most qualified person who applies for the job, as every reasonable company does. For every employee at Apple, there are millions who didn't apply for the job. Now Apple states that they want to encourage more women and members of minorities to apply for jobs. As a result, it will happen more often that the most qualified person who applies is a woman or belongs to a minority.
 
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