Interesting, that's what I heard too. A lot of people say Early 2018 for CoffeeLake. I heard from some sources CannonLake wasn't going to come to MBP. Not sure of the validity of that. Though CannonLake sounds awesome.
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Apple Updates Entire MacBook and MacBook Pro Lineup With Kaby Lake CPUs and Faster Graphics
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I was almost 100% sure I was going to upgrade my old late 2010 13'' MBA, and my candidate was the 12-inch MacBook when they added support to 16GB RAM (which just happened). However... I'm now in front of my 13'' MBA, I had the other day a 12'' MB, side by side, and now I realize I really want 13'' at the very least, and hopefully more.
I really believe Apple could create a very light 15'' MacBook (non-pro), with a weight very similar to the MBA, perhaps only slightly heavier or even the same weight.
I'm in a weird situation, where my current MBA has the specs I really desire (MagSafe, at least 13 inch display, NVIDIA GPU -yes, the old 320M, but it lets me compile CUDA code), while the current MacBook offerings would give me more performance and more disk space, but I'd lost too many things I currently enjoy).
I think I'm going to extend the life of my MBA a bit more. If Apple releases a light 14'' or 15'' MacBook at some point, then I think it will convince me to buy it, but today I feel like buying a new one would be money I won't enjoy as much as my current MBA.
I really believe Apple could create a very light 15'' MacBook (non-pro), with a weight very similar to the MBA, perhaps only slightly heavier or even the same weight.
I'm in a weird situation, where my current MBA has the specs I really desire (MagSafe, at least 13 inch display, NVIDIA GPU -yes, the old 320M, but it lets me compile CUDA code), while the current MacBook offerings would give me more performance and more disk space, but I'd lost too many things I currently enjoy).
I think I'm going to extend the life of my MBA a bit more. If Apple releases a light 14'' or 15'' MacBook at some point, then I think it will convince me to buy it, but today I feel like buying a new one would be money I won't enjoy as much as my current MBA.
Thank God they didn't totally screw over early adopters with the new 15" GPUs. The Radeon 555/560 are basically rebranded 455/460 with 1 GB/s extra bandwidth. The TFLOP difference is like 1%. This was what concerned me more than Kaby Lake which isn't a big deal. The 450-460 will still get hardware H.265. All is well.
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So do I. If they added 32GB it would've completely killed the resale value of our notebooks. It's already a $1000 loss for pretty much any 2016 15" config. With AppleCare maybe it's an $800 loss. Still pretty awful for just 6-7 months. I broke my rule of staying away from 1st gen products. The revision always has more longevity but I'm glad the difference between the 2017s and what we have is minor. The GPUs are rebadged 455/460s with 1GB/s more memory bandwidth. They didn't mention upgraded dGPUs during the Keynote just "standard graphics," which would be the improved iGPU in the Kaby Lake CPUs which isn't a big deal either. I freaked out when I saw Radeon 555/560 in the store.
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Anything with a real core i5/i7 will be more powerful than the MacBooks with the core m processors. A well specced MBA would be better but why don't you consider a 2015 13" MBP? I'm sure you can still find some online and they are more powerful than the Air and the MacBook.
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So do I. If they added 32GB it would've completely killed the resale value of our notebooks. It's already a $1000 loss for pretty much any 2016 15" config. With AppleCare maybe it's an $800 loss. Still pretty awful for just 6-7 months. I broke my rule of staying away from 1st gen products. The revision always has more longevity but I'm glad the difference between the 2017s and what we have is minor. The GPUs are rebadged 455/460s with 1GB/s more memory bandwidth. They didn't mention upgraded dGPUs during the Keynote just "standard graphics," which would be the improved iGPU in the Kaby Lake CPUs which isn't a big deal either. I freaked out when I saw Radeon 555/560 in the store.
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Anything with a real core i5/i7 will be more powerful than the MacBooks with the core m processors. A well specced MBA would be better but why don't you consider a 2015 13" MBP? I'm sure you can still find some online and they are more powerful than the Air and the MacBook.
There's a thread here on MacRumors where people much smarter than me are discussing just that. I'm taking massive notes.
Wow you're pretty fired up, am I not allowed to comment on this forum? Did I say that they shouldn't have done it?
Macbook Pro 13-i5 vs 15-i7?
I work as a full stack web developer on both El Capitan and Windows 7, still using a mid 2007 Macbook Pro 15 that I was able to upgrade many times over the years. The current configuration is 2.2 Core 2 Duo, 6 GB RAM (max supported), 512 SSD. I'm using Windows mainly on bootcamp but would prefer being able to run everything on VMware Fusion. The machine is still working fine, but MS Visual Studio is demanding higher performance for the compiler, intellisense...
Since the new MBP's are not upgradable I need to make the right choice for the new MBP
Will the Macbook Pro 13 with i5 be able to run VMware Fusion Virtual Machine with Windows 10/SQL Server 2014/Visual Studio 2017, or I need to go for the 15 MBP model with i7?
I work as a full stack web developer on both El Capitan and Windows 7, still using a mid 2007 Macbook Pro 15 that I was able to upgrade many times over the years. The current configuration is 2.2 Core 2 Duo, 6 GB RAM (max supported), 512 SSD. I'm using Windows mainly on bootcamp but would prefer being able to run everything on VMware Fusion. The machine is still working fine, but MS Visual Studio is demanding higher performance for the compiler, intellisense...
Since the new MBP's are not upgradable I need to make the right choice for the new MBP
Will the Macbook Pro 13 with i5 be able to run VMware Fusion Virtual Machine with Windows 10/SQL Server 2014/Visual Studio 2017, or I need to go for the 15 MBP model with i7?
It is common knowledge that one must do some research before making an investment, no? It was widely rumoured that Apple would refresh their Mac lineup with the new processors and hence it wasn't even surprise when they announced the internal upgrades. You wouldn't have inccured that 'loss' if you would have done some prior research and waited just a bit.
These MacBook prices are ridiculous indeed. Even worse is that the 2015 15" is still going for $2000 retail with a now 3 year old Iris Pro CPU.
They really need a new, fully configurable base model that is $400 cheaper without the damn touch bar.
the latest roundup page for the 2017 macbook indicates options for core m5 and m7, but the apple website tech specs indicate core i5 and i7 options:
https://www.apple.com/macbook/specs/
is this an error on apple's part?
https://www.apple.com/macbook/specs/
is this an error on apple's part?
Doing your homework can give you some serious pre-purchase anxiety, but so ok-here's a little perspective: I just came back from Apple Store with a '17 MPB 15" 2.9 base and here are my impressions:
1) Keyboard-Beautiful (can't understand the hate)
2) Speed-Fast (faster than the speed of light? No, but fast. Faster than anything out there...except maybe the 3.1)
3) Graphics-Smoove (I had a minor freak out when sysinfo showed only an Intel HD 630! But, sysreport does show it has that plus the Radeon Pro 560... phew)
4) Touch Bar-Cooler than none. (If only for the fingerprint login, it's worth it. Only it does hella more)
5) Touch pad-Bigger, yes (Palm reader, no-exaggerations)
6) Yeah I got one dongle, but it ain't heavy
7) Overall- one kick arse machine
Granted, I'm on the honeymoon. But I spent the last 2 months without a portable and did my homework. There's always the next new thing coming around the corner but thank goodness for that. Would I have rather had 32GB ram? Yeah but this is the next best thing. Actually, it's the best thing because the future is not yet here and I'm not waiting a year. I wouldn't be that upset if I bought an 8 month old computer because I know this one is gonna be that one in another 8 months or less. More power to ya if you're fortunate enough to get in on the major upgrade cycle and good luck staying on it. Even more power to ya if you end up with one of those insane 18 core monsters ✌️
1) Keyboard-Beautiful (can't understand the hate)
2) Speed-Fast (faster than the speed of light? No, but fast. Faster than anything out there...except maybe the 3.1)
3) Graphics-Smoove (I had a minor freak out when sysinfo showed only an Intel HD 630! But, sysreport does show it has that plus the Radeon Pro 560... phew)
4) Touch Bar-Cooler than none. (If only for the fingerprint login, it's worth it. Only it does hella more)
5) Touch pad-Bigger, yes (Palm reader, no-exaggerations)
6) Yeah I got one dongle, but it ain't heavy
7) Overall- one kick arse machine
Granted, I'm on the honeymoon. But I spent the last 2 months without a portable and did my homework. There's always the next new thing coming around the corner but thank goodness for that. Would I have rather had 32GB ram? Yeah but this is the next best thing. Actually, it's the best thing because the future is not yet here and I'm not waiting a year. I wouldn't be that upset if I bought an 8 month old computer because I know this one is gonna be that one in another 8 months or less. More power to ya if you're fortunate enough to get in on the major upgrade cycle and good luck staying on it. Even more power to ya if you end up with one of those insane 18 core monsters ✌️
Because Apple thinks thinner is always better.
Never mind that the 2012 MBP was very much thin enough, and nearly everyone would be very happy to sacrifice thinness for battery life and upgradeable RAM and storage.
As far as I'm concerned, give me something as thick as the old Wall Street, with battery/media bays that pop out with a lever. Do you remember what the battery life on a Wall Street was?
Infinite.
You could swap out alternating batteries forever.
In a form factor that thick with today's technology, you could easily have 128GB, maybe even 256GB RAM in a laptop.
not really. the top-of-the-line core i7 cpu (https://ark.intel.com/products/97462/Intel-Core-i7-7920HQ-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_10-GHz) already maxes out at 64gb.
Just ordered the 12-inch MacBook [Core i7/16GB RAM/256GB HDD] in Space Gray.
Gets here in about a week & a half.
Probably the final keyboard/screen computer I ever get.
Gets here in about a week & a half.
Probably the final keyboard/screen computer I ever get.
The function of a laptop is not that of a powerful carry around desktop - it is portability and ease of use first, then the power stuff.
Apple already has the machined metal shell infrastructure to give us all the ports we need for immediate convenience, so adding the latest USB ports was one more step.
Instead, Apple eliminates ALL the ports to give the "latest greatest" port, adds confusion as to what some of them do and then tells us to use the dongles! Gone are the ports we know intuitively existed, and now there are scratchy cables in our pockets and bags to use the new ports for anything.
Steve Jobs' famous "lightest notebook" is doomed for the smelting process - a great loss of the reliable, easy to carry, easier to use, much loved, reliable computer and its Magsafe!
And, just takeover Qualcomm already, it is distracting at the least! Whoever signed that contract reflects the lack of fine-print checking, detail oriented culture of Apple, Co.
I'd love a more affordable 15'' Mac too. The 15'' MBP now costs $600 more than the 13'' with TB. But I don't care about the TB, and even about the quad core CPU they put on the 15''.
I'd like to have a bigger display just to have more content on the screen, but I'm a developer I don't work with graphics or videos so I don't really need a quad core or a fast GPU
I could buy a refurbished unit, but they 15'' models are still pricey
If they made a 14'' Macbook with a similar price to the 12'' version I may buy it. I don't care about the single port and I could live with the low performances of the fanless CPU
If Apple seeks to innovate beyond the competition, finding a way to do this would put their "pro" line of laptops at the top technologically. Do I think they will ever do this? No. I would be happy with upgradable memory and local storage to be flexible enough to provide confidence in the machine's ability to handle ever increasing file sizes for photos and video production in a reasonable manner. The video card idea was a feasible, but over the top idea.
Ya know the keyboard on the 2016 MBP line didn't take long to adjust to. Of all my gripes with the computer as a whole, the keyboard itself was pretty low. I surprisingly adjusted fairly quickly to the original butterfly keyboard on the gen 1 Macbook as well for the couple of weeks I owned it before returning it due to lack of power and frustration with it's single USB port. If anything, the horrible palm detection on these new MBP's is the biggest frustration. I've been in the middle of a long paper, and had to stop and reset the cursor location every couple of minutes because the corner of my palm just happened to brush the corner of the unnecessarily massive touchpad. I never had this problem before on any MacBook until now.
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Desktop with Touch Bar? They didn't even mention the Touch Bar at all. Had it done as well as they'd hoped, they surely would have brought up industry adoption or new ways it will be utilized in High Sierra. Instead, it wasn't even hinted at in passing.
Honestly the only positive portion of the keynote was the iMac and iMac Pro announcement. A base 4K iMac with 1TB Fusion drive starting at $1,299 is long overdue, and will probably be the best selling config in the entire lineup. The iMac Pro was a brilliant move considering how far away they are from launching an updated Mac Pro, and the starting price isn't bad at all, especially for a Mac. Everything else was a huge wash, frankly.
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I really wanted to get the TB model over non-TB just for the better CPU options and 4 USB-C ports versus 2, but I just could not justify the added price for a battery draining gimmick I would never use. I was very disappointed that they didn't roll out a non-TB 15" model like rumors suggests, or a more powerful 13" non-TB model with 4 USB-C ports. I would have ebay'd this thing in a heartbeat had that been the case, but for a 10-20% speed bump it's just not worth the hassle and expense.
For devices that uses wire like the iphone, you still need a wire whether the MacBook has a USB-A or -C. What about my flash drives? portable HDD? I don't want to carry extra dongle or spend extras on cables.huh?
it's the wires, not the adapters that are making it less portable.
or- if somehow you're fine with the wires and only annoyed by an adapting plug, just get the wire you need instead of buying an adapter plug.
like, you can get a wire with USB-A on one end and USB-C on the other.. for 7 bucks.
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Type-USB-C-Black/dp/B00S8GU2OC
https://www.amazon.com/Snowkids-Bra...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=V9PDTP9JK3K26WDV3S4Q
etc..
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ouch, really?
i too was under the impression low power ram was coming with Coffee Lake.
i must of mis-read something.. or correctly read some bad info
; )
Like I said, I don't need my laptop to be the fastest. My 2009 white uni-body macbook still work pretty well for my needs. I replaced it only because I want something light.
Convenience, not power, is what I want when I was shopping for a note book last year. Dongles is not my idea of conveniene.
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then get these and leave them on the ends of the cables..
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or is that too expensive? or too cumbersome to carry around?
if your main concern is convenience then use wireless connectivity as often as possible..