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What's the point? Most do not have monitors for viewing and correcting Dolby Vision. Even the XDR will not show it.
Actually the xdr can do Dolby vision. Plus with the new black magic mini monitor that does hdr you can connect any hdr monitor and view an extended range.
 
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Actually the xdr can do Dolby vision. Plus with the new black magic mini monitor that does hdr you can connect any hdr monitor and view an extended range.
Okay, thank you. I just heard earlier that 12 bits are needed to work with Dolby Vision.
 
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So is FCPX a NATIVE Apple Silicon app now?
Has all the code been ported for real? Or has it just had a few optimizations for AS?

They state

"Improved performance and efficiency on Mac computers with Apple silicon"

It means fast as previous one on AS, slowed down on Intel 😁
 
Not at all, I would say overall it surpassed Premiere. In FCXP I can do nearly 95% of Premiere but in way more efficient way (performance and usability) and it isn't as hardware hungry as Adobe products. It's not an amateur tool anymore, a lot of pros use it since it's a good package.

Thank you for the perspective. Always nice to find a nugget of objectivity among all the troll manure.
 
Oh man, trust me when I say I want to like it and use it. I do force myself, sometimes even risk it against just using After Effects for the couple of short shots... because when it works it’s so fast, it’s so great. However, if I want to do something too manual, not even Motion will save me... there’s some clunkiness always somewhere, especially if it is an after thought of an action (like wanting to change the frame rate or resolution of a compound-clip/project-timeline, extreme example but to convey the idea).
I don’t fight the magnetic timeline anymore... and that, damn, 👌


Not quite, there are some quite recent Hollywood movies edited on FCPX. There’s also a channel that shows actions/cuts/edits done on avid and the same done on FCPX on sample shots... most of them are mind blowing. Tons of clicks and gymnastics versus a couple of second of clever clicks and shortcuts.

Same here. I actually learned it because I had a large contract with a local station to produce 3 hours of talking heads content and my 3 person team was all FCPX. Instead of forcing them into PP, I tried using FCPX.

I got the hang of it. That's when I saw how fast it was, but not as stable as I'd liked. Also, I still had to use AE (I was a motion guy, but AE is 1000x better) so ended up having to export every time for very small changes.

I'm still a PP guy, but those 6 months showed me that FCPX isn't as cracked up as people make it seem.

In which regard is FCPX faster? Not in Export and Playback. I use both, and Premiere is faster in Export and Playback. Did a lot of testing here.

There are lot of things even a mediocre FCPX editor like me can do faster in FCPX over PP. I'm more an expert in PP, so it's not that much of a difference in speed for me, but for someone just starting out or someone who may be an expert in FCPX it is faster.

Also, PP and most of the adobe apps aren't optimized for the Mac .... like at all. PP would be super fast and stable if Adobe hoped on that. Granted, FCPX is plagued with bugs and random shutdowns and lockups depending on the system and footage used.

They each have their advantages.

Of course this is just between PP and FCPX. If I had to pick the fastest overall, I'd say Avid on an HP workstation smokes the whole lot. I just don't have $50k+ lying around.
 
If the M1 chip does indeed have the same type of oomph on the low-end machines as the new AMD Ryzens then Final Cut and Logic are going to fly! Looking forward to this!
 
Keywords: check the smart collection and the “one smart collection to rule them all” or similar video. Might help you a bit I think.
Manual save is just either duplicating or taking a project timeline snapshot... it’s a bit weird to have the thing ALWAYS saved (and have found undo to be finicky, looking at you mO2) so yeah, can agree.

Thanks, I'll check that video, but keywords are just a step back for how much you can personalize a workflow. The file management is also the biggest bottleneck with memory on my system. I keep reading how super powerful it is, and how once it clicks it's life changing, but I keep running into limitations.

Of course yeah you can fudge the missing "Save As" feature (I appreciate the tip about the snapshot, that's one I have tried) but there are still too many occasions with the app where I find myself going into the finder to do something.
 
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I can only agree. I've been using FCPX from the beginning, but keep going back to Premiere every time. I find Keywords not really an Advancement. I can organise my work much better with folders in PP. You know, the moment when I absolutely go back to PP? When the waveforms keep disappearing during playback in FCPX. And I don't want to start with Compressor vs. Media Encoder and the speed of AME. I just hope PP gets optimised for Silicon soon.

Oh jeez, I'm almost relieved to hear you had the same waveform issue but I thought the last mini update addressed that? They at least acknowledged people still work in the timeline

Keywords just aren't an innovation. Find file always was useful, it's great they created a way to cross search directories and to have clips cross referenced in different ways, but it's not a substitute for customized drag and drop organization, nesting folders, etc. Even the Finder has more customization.

I'm excited about Silicon and still hold out hope FCPX revamps the user experience and basic media management aspects.
 
Same here. I actually learned it because I had a large contract with a local station to produce 3 hours of talking heads content and my 3 person team was all FCPX. Instead of forcing them into PP, I tried using FCPX.

I got the hang of it. That's when I saw how fast it was, but not as stable as I'd liked. Also, I still had to use AE (I was a motion guy, but AE is 1000x better) so ended up having to export every time for very small changes.

I'm still a PP guy, but those 6 months showed me that FCPX isn't as cracked up as people make it seem.

There are lot of things even a mediocre FCPX editor like me can do faster in FCPX over PP. I'm more an expert in PP, so it's not that much of a difference in speed for me, but for someone just starting out or someone who may be an expert in FCPX it is faster.

Also, PP and most of the adobe apps aren't optimized for the Mac .... like at all. PP would be super fast and stable if Adobe hoped on that. Granted, FCPX is plagued with bugs and random shutdowns and lockups depending on the system and footage used.

They each have their advantages.

Of course this is just between PP and FCPX. If I had to pick the fastest overall, I'd say Avid on an HP workstation smokes the whole lot. I just don't have $50k+ lying around.
Nice of you to try hopping on that train, great opportunity for a both learning and test ride. Solid agree on all your comments.

Just wanted to give a couple of comments:

AE 1000x better: yes, I have a hard time sometimes accepting this. Because of the subscription model, because it’s tied to other 60 apps that I won’t use besides photoshop. Because its rendering performance is downright subpar compared to how fast Motion is on that front (and its 3D environment, behaviors, publishing parameters, rigs, etc that can be exported as plugins towards FCPX). But honestly, AE is a beast, having used it for close to 15 years now... there’s no real contender on a layers based compositor. Plus the plugins, the expressions scripting, it is a bliss. I would like for Motion to have comps and precomps at least for example.

FCPX plagued with bugs: what the heck is up with this, a ‘pro’ software, movies made with it, really. For such a responsive program where everything is seemingly going perfectly fine and smooth, suddenly out of the blue (and too often to trigger fears of unreliability) an infinite spinning beachball can keep you there for a minute before realizing it just hung up or it just vanishes magically out of your view to then be met with a “this thing crashed, ignore or reopen” pop up prompt.

I guess what I want to say is that I would really like for this to be finally ironed out and made the state of the art piece of tech that it’s close to be.
 
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Thanks, I'll check that video, but keywords are just a step back for how much you can personalize a workflow. The file management is also the biggest bottleneck with memory on my system. I keep reading how super powerful it is, and how once it clicks it's life changing, but I keep running into limitations.

Of course yeah you can fudge the missing "Save As" feature (I appreciate the tip about the snapshot, that's one I have tried) but there are still too many occasions with the app where I find myself going into the finder to do something.
Yeah, for what is worth, I’m 100% on the same bandwagon. I can‘t really defend FCPX blindly, especially coming from other a lot more ‘manual’ workflows, After Effects being my software of choice, I even just sometimes do photoshop-lite like things there (masking is just so much better, flexible and intuitive for me there for 99% of the cases). When trying masking in FCPX for example (not really meant for compositing, but an example) zooming in-out and panning while masking is just bonkers. The project browser on Adobe land is what it should be everywhere: create your comps, precomps, folders to group things, import media (and replace with another one) with its settings, etc etc. Simple and straight forward... that keyword thing on FCPX is indeed weird and the whole thing limited to two layers: the library file itself (the project’s root), the events (layer 1) and keywords (2).

But I feel there’s something there, some other things sometimes feel magical, also because the hardcore users just swear by it and some tutorials do so many amazing things in under a single minute. I think an Andrew Kramer of sorts for FCPX and Motion would sway the tides big time.

I get very uneasy too without the Save As feature, in AE I start with something like project_001.aep and can end at project_083_final_recovered_merged_twice.aep, but I think because losing work is a real thing, after the first couple of serious newbie hits it leaves PTSD. However I have never lost anything on FCPX.

I would love it to ‘click’ too though. Be able to swiftly fly by, creating plugins from Motion to FCPX is just easy, friendly and ultra powerful (something that would take serious scripting and programming in some cases to do something similar in PPr/AE), etc

A bit of a vent: the Import “leave files in place” or “copy to library” options, good god... there has to be a better way for this. Also replacing existing footage is insane, it has to be the exact same length and same everything... makes no sense to me.
 
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To put it lightly. Three years since 10.4 and this is what we have?! Wow...I think I see now why they promote Resolve in their promotional videos lately.
I wouldn’t read too much into that. When they announced apple silicon in the summer there was a mention of how good would fcpx run under their own processors.

Now it was about showing that there were lots of programs ready for the new architecture.

I think fcpx would be fine. This is coming from the guy who is most bitter about the criminal treatment apple gave to aperture.
 
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Apple's programmes use Avid software/hardware, it's not surprising at all FCPX is still behind for "pros".
Is there a link for that? Don’t get me wrong, it’s totally believable, otherwise apple could be bragging about how everything is done within their ecosystem.
 
I find that hard to believe with all the productions Apple now owns and creates.
They outsource all the production. Apple makes nothing. There is no such thing as apple studios as far as I know. They hire production companies to make shows for them and these production companies hate interference generally. And would definitely not be ok with software rules. Not with all these other streaming services competing for their stuff.
 
Please DM me what those titles are. Would really love to know who still works with final cut.

you mean more “inside knowledge”? I’m just mildly aware with what is just publicly available (as continued on below). Out of curiosity if you don’t mind, are you by any chance involved in the FCPX world in some way?

(There are some “Alex” that I have seen online that create plugins and libraries of sorts)
There’s Focus, for instance. If memory serves, the next movie the directors made was also edited in fcpx.


That’s a nice article.

There’s also Whiskey Tango Foxtrot which I think is a bit more recent than Focus, there’s an interesting enough panel talk about it:

I was also wrongly thinking from memory about the Korean movie “Parasite”, from 2019, which is indeed Final Cut Pro... but, wait for it, 7!

On the short films side there’s a few more ones on FCP.co (and maybe a lot more that we don’t know about).

The general feeling of those few productions is that FCPX feels faster, the magnetic line is a savior, organizes data and metadata very well, etc...

Myself, with sequences with only a few short shots, screen captures and still images in a library, get anxious of how it looks on the project browser. Sometimes I start using keywords inside events as folders... it’s a bit of a mess brain wise and don’t really have a clear idea yet what are good rules of thumb.
Can’t imagine hours and hours of content of a full production.
 
you mean more “inside knowledge”? I’m just mildly aware with what is just publicly available (as continued on below). Out of curiosity if you don’t mind, are you by any chance involved in the FCPX world in some way?

(There are some “Alex” that I have seen online that create plugins and libraries of sorts)


That’s a nice article.

There’s also Whiskey Tango Foxtrot which I think is a bit more recent than Focus, there’s an interesting enough panel talk about it:

I was also wrongly thinking from memory about the Korean movie “Parasite”, from 2019, which is indeed Final Cut Pro... but, wait for it, 7!

On the short films side there’s a few more ones on FCP.co (and maybe a lot more that we don’t know about).

The general feeling of those few productions is that FCPX feels faster, the magnetic line is a savior, organizes data and metadata very well, etc...

Myself, with sequences with only a few short shots, screen captures and still images in a library, get anxious of how it looks on the project browser. Sometimes I start using keywords inside events as folders... it’s a bit of a mess brain wise and don’t really have a clear idea yet what are good rules of thumb.
Can’t imagine hours and hours of content of a full production.
I'm not an editor but I work in movie industry and interact with those people. More so with the blockbuster AAA part of Hollywood so I'm no expert on the indie side. And Premiere is used in 100% of movies I know of. Sure FCP is faster. But pros care for functionality rather than speed.
 
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