e-coli
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This isn't even remotely true. I've seen a huge migration back to FCP in the past year in both film and television.
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Apple Updates Final Cut Pro X, Motion and Compressor With Bug Fixes, Minor Feature Enhancements
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This isn't even remotely true. I've seen a huge migration back to FCP in the past year in both film and television.
coldsweat
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Unfortunately no fix other than transcoding to standard h.264 BEFORE the initial import into FCPX using EditReady. For the projects that were imported directly using XAVC I have to copy the project to another machine with an ATI card to export. Apple - 'everything just works'!
While secretly downloading Windows 10 to your computer and sending your info to their servers. Meanwhile making Windows 10 the minimum requirements for Skylake.
sarge
macrumors 6502a
Actually if you're in the States then it is remotely true - ITN/ITV just migrated to Premiere a few months ago or at least their newsroom did when I toured it last week. Word is that Fox is making the switch to Premiere as well so if it isn't true yet it likely will be.
Oh-es-Ten
macrumors regular
Yeah, this is a weird one - completely random glitch on our final exports. When it happens, we can select the affected clip and then reveal in Browser and use 'Optimise Media' which solves the issue until it decides to do it at another point in the timeline, but we do fast turnaround work where we often don't have the time to transcode everything as a whole before the editing starts.
laurim
macrumors 68000
I can testify that the second bullet is NOT true. I just had my 3rd phone call with Apple ProApp support about a bug I just found in Motion when working on huge movies (8834x864). The senior pro app tech who first took my call shared my screen while I showed him the issue, took down my MacPro specs and asked me for my example Motion project. Then he sent it up to the Motion development engineers and they asked for more details on how I was using Motion, which I gave on my phone call today. Apple has really been good looking at bugs I bring to their attention and following through with fixing things.
pat500000
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3840 wide (ie. "Ultra HD"), despite Apple's 4k iMac being the full 4096. It looks like we'll still have the "cropped edges issue" with the next generation of content 🙁
xbjllb
macrumors 65816
Haven't you heard? Apple makes "mobile" toys now. They wear out quicker and sell a ton more.
darcyf
macrumors 6502a
FCP X is dirt cheap and amazing. I love it. If Apple discontinued it tomorrow I'd be super bummed. But it's not like I couldn't transition to another NLE. I see zero point in worrying/complaining about the plug being pulled. Just do your work and get on with the show.
If FCP X is missing a mission critical feature for you and you're complaining about a lack of updates then just do what needs to be done and learn the NLE that does what you need. Again, I see zero reason to complain. Just do whatever needs doing.
If FCP X is missing a mission critical feature for you and you're complaining about a lack of updates then just do what needs to be done and learn the NLE that does what you need. Again, I see zero reason to complain. Just do whatever needs doing.
Unami
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Mojofix
macrumors newbie
I use it, and will up until they abandon it. Why worry about something that hasn't happened,
Premiere users are sheep. FCPX is the fastest editing software ever.
And how exactly is the care level of Apple measured? Seems like they care more to me since I don't have to pay for a subscription. They didn't need to build Mac Pros in a new US factory either, but they did. Adobe has Jack of all trades software and really only a master of Photoshop. Even After effects can use a massive upgrade.
If I'm ever forced back to track-based editing, I will return to AVID, premiere is too clunky.
Round tripping to After Effects is not enough of a reason to tolerate it.
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JamesPDX
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No.
Although Compressor is pretty nifty and great for a one-master-to-multi-formats, Handbrake has some really great tweak-settings. Shocking that it's free. That being said, my next station would be a semi-air-gapped Windows/Avid brute force machine, but I'd probably still use Compressor and Motion for very specific things. Unless there's a fat 2016 nMP that can run Avid.
Imo, cost of FCP is offset by the hardware/os need. Put another way you have to run a mac to use it. We pay more for upfront hardware costs. Happy apple does this with cheaper editing with FCP but....my view is in some way we pay a bit more in some way regardless..
Rest though, thing to remember with gripes is they can have good intentions. We want the product to get better. Some just want things fixed or features added that are common. As some of us got here because we don't like the others. Why I mentioned aperture page 1. I got there because I tried all the others. When it died I had to fall back on the lesser ranked apps from my trialing. Good apps all the same, but I made aperture my #1. FCP the same really.
You seem to be accepting the "apple way" of this is how apple does things accept or move on mindset . This works for them in many areas. Its not working in professional software realms like this though. Pro apps like these, in my view and others, arise from customer input. Good and bad.
Sometimes you need to be told you are doing it wrong or it could be done better. I am about to start youtubing for my son (he does the vids and gameplay, I just shoot, edit and publish). Today was focus group at work of test vids before official stuff rolls out. told my friends and coworkers find flaws and tell me them. I can't fix my processes if I don't know something is off.
Pages and such yeah....they can do the "apple way". they can do a focus group internally real easy. Collect up some admin assistants, chat with them, observe how they use, gather input...away they go. Admin assistant input probably won't vary.
Video, or pic or even sound apps (apple sound engineer types can chime in if wrong, not a sound guy myself) have a wide wide array of needs and methods. Couple of people from the marketing section of apple who work video...not a good focus group to keep this the "apple way" and pull it off flawlessly. The full gambit of video they probably aren't working daily. They do great product shoots...they don't as some here push out weekly broadcast shows and such commonly.
Also a constrained view. Like they will say yeah...FCP sucks in this area, this area, oh and that area. You don't crap where you eat as the saying goes. Even an anti-company person will keep their mouth shut to keep the paychecks flowing if good enough pay lol. I support my CEO for VTC's...he does not get my honest opinions on work stuff when asked. As I know full well my actual opinion would not go over well to put it mildly.
Avid Media Composer is the most entrenched and therefore popular NLE. I'm sure some people still use FCP 7 but everyone I know has gone back to Avid or switched to Premiere. I don't personally know anyone who uses FCP X for features, television or commercials so I have no sense of its market penetration.
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How are Premiere users sheep?
I'm glad you found something that works for you but maybe Premiere (or Avid or Lightworks) users really feel their platform of choice is best for them.
sarge
macrumors 6502a
You hit on the number one reason why broadcasters will opt out of building a workflow around a particular platform or application as soon as you mentioned the word Aperture: Support. The broadcast industry wasn't so much taken aback by the radical re-imagining of FCP X as they were by the lack of transparency and support for real world legacy workflows involving thousands of people. And by transparency I mean communicating/collaborating w/your entrenched (i.e. dependent) professional base so that everybody at least gets to the same dancehall on the same evening.
In THAT vision of the world, old folks can come early and do the jitterbug, the Gen Xers get up and pop & lock, and the Millennials can take over with the Nae Nae and stay all night ...but I guess that would be too much like a wedding. And really, who makes that kind of commitment anymore? Certainly not the A-crowd...always perfidious, showing up to every dance w/a different date. Live fast die young - it never gets old.
JamesPDX
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My Prime Directive to the creative crowd is that one should never disrupt an Extremely Prolific Workflow just to get that extra plugin suite, or those extra 8 bits of resolution. If your workflow gets broken you may never "get it back" no matter how hip or thin the newest box may be. Keep yourself in a position to fully revert. I've learned this the hard way with a program called Studio Vision Pro 3.5. (And that's one of the reasons I'm sticking with Pro Tools -even though I really like the sounds in Logic, it's just not that snappy. Thank god for the Vienna Strings stuff, Waves, and Slate Drums.) If I could sell back my Logic, FCPX, Compressor, and Motion, I'd just buy a subscription to Avid Media Composer.
loby
macrumors 68020
Great comments and expresses the actual "pro side" of things instead of just ranting...
I hope Apple reads these blogs and "hears" what is being said. The reality is Apple had the chance in the Pro side, but stepped aside.
I consider myself "semi-pro" now and do occationally corporate non-profit videos stuff, but continue with semi-pro music and recording etc. I have been in the pro movie/video and the music industry in my past and still keep up with what is going on...so I can say confidently that many of the posts commenting on FCPX and the few on Logic Pro X express what is the reality in my opinion and what Apple needs to fix if they want to have a presence in the pro industries.
Not sure if Apple really cares anymore. They have made enough money....but money does not last long, including being #1...so they need to listen....
I hope Apple reads these blogs and "hears" what is being said. The reality is Apple had the chance in the Pro side, but stepped aside.
I consider myself "semi-pro" now and do occationally corporate non-profit videos stuff, but continue with semi-pro music and recording etc. I have been in the pro movie/video and the music industry in my past and still keep up with what is going on...so I can say confidently that many of the posts commenting on FCPX and the few on Logic Pro X express what is the reality in my opinion and what Apple needs to fix if they want to have a presence in the pro industries.
Not sure if Apple really cares anymore. They have made enough money....but money does not last long, including being #1...so they need to listen....
e-coli
macrumors 68000
Apple's most egregious mistake in the pro market is the utterly confounding move in putting AMD video cards in the Mac Pro. The pro world has moved to CUDA. It's a stunning error in judgement by Apple. Here's to hoping the next update switches over to Nvidia.
Problem is the last I saw the rankings, FCP shows up high on the paid for apps bought lists. Fact it costs a fair amount (over some other stuff on the app store) might be forgotten (you charge a lot, smaller sales counts still make money). Like with my camera gear. Zeiss does not have tamron, sigma and Nikon sale count numbers I'd safely wager (price of lens or fact its only manual focus, take your pick)...but what they sell is usually over 1000 USD (some new stuff like 4000) so if less buyers they get money back from lens sale.
Also realized something that could alleviate most of this mess. For the people who say we whine....we have and do present ideas tbh...its not apple sucks, end thread lol.
Apple could go retro. And bring back the ye old hot fix. seems to be a lost thing these days (not just with apple). But In the past I have had quite a few apps see the bugs grow, said hold up, this bug or 2 can't wait till version x.x + .1 and pushed out the hotfixes. Small targeted updates to not require shifts of the entire dev team to it, appeased the masses who had the bug the hotfix addressed , and didn't derail the massive update plans at the time (assuming apple even has these). Win win really.
JamesPDX
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Sorry, I screwed-up this response by trimming a quote. Ah, there's always next time...
MarsViolet
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Aperture always showed up high in the App Store lists too, right up until the day Apple axed it.
SadBoy Pro
macrumors member
Apple today updated Final Cut Pro X, Compressor, and Motion, its software designed for professional video editors. Today's updates, the first since September, add a couple of new features and introduce a long list of bug fixes.
Final Cut Pro X now includes a Customizable Default Effect that allows users to choose a video and an audio effect to assign to a keyboard shortcut, a 4K export preset for creating video files for Apple devices, and the option to share video to multiple YouTube accounts. It also includes the following bug fixes and feature enhancements:Compressor includes the same 4K export preset for creating video files for Apple devices and several bug fixes:
Motion received a long list of bug fixes and stability improvements:Today's minor update comes nearly a year after Apple introduced the last major update to its video editing software in April of 2015, adding new features for motion graphics and enhancements to speed up video editing, packaging, and delivery.
Apple has also updated its Final Cut Pro X microsite to include information on FCP Exchange and Videomaker, both of which offer workshops and tutorials on using the editing software.
Final Cut Pro X can be downloaded from the Mac App Store for $299.99. [Direct Link]
Compressor can be downloaded from the Mac App Store for $49.99. [Direct Link]
Motion can be downloaded from the Mac App Store for $49.99. [Direct Link]
Article Link: Apple Updates Final Cut Pro X, Motion and Compressor With Bug Fixes, Minor Feature Enhancements
I may have missed it but has Apple actually enabled the Metal API they were singing and dancing about in FCPX, Motion and Compressor?
darcyf
macrumors 6502a
My point still stands. If FCPX isn't cutting it for you, cut with something else. Every industry in the world faces the need to adapt to change on major scales. I don't know why editors are so begrudgingly reluctant about it. But there's a history there, going back to the very first NLE that film editors flatly rejected and resisted for years. Decades later and not much has changed.
Get your heads out of the sand and deal with reality like the rest of us, folks. Requesting features is great. Complaining and blaming and then rationalizing about it is accomplishing 100% nothing.
Get your heads out of the sand and deal with reality like the rest of us, folks. Requesting features is great. Complaining and blaming and then rationalizing about it is accomplishing 100% nothing.