I was talking the other way. iWork updates are usually tied to OSX updates, and often especially in work places IT departments ask their Mac users to stay a version behind the current OSX, meaning people can't use the latest version of iWork, cutting them out of compatibility with the new version, creating headaches when people are sending documents that needs to be edited.
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Apple Updates iWork Mac and iOS Apps With Support for OS X El Capitan and iOS 9
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I was talking the other way. iWork updates are usually tied to OSX updates, and often especially in work places IT departments ask their Mac users to stay a version behind the current OSX, meaning people can't use the latest version of iWork, cutting them out of compatibility with the new version, creating headaches when people are sending documents that needs to be edited.
Ok. 10 seconds. Good time point.
But what about 1 second? Why pages cannot do it straightaway? Ok. Your screenshot implies me that I need to choose proper table style, or try to notice pages "what I need to do next is copying a table". Right? Although I am sure I am totally wrong.
As you see, pages 09 can probably do it straightaway, and Microsoft word can do it straightaway. Why latest pages cannot? I don't even want to mention when copying this same table to web version pages, all what I get is rather unusable. Just a group of numbers without any format.
C'mon. I Do want to use pages but Apple please, bring some usable feature from your old version so that I can at least give it a shot, rather than kicking it out from my Mac.
But it can be done. I proved it. You and O'reilly said it wasn't possible and I proved both of you wrong in a matter of seconds! What else are you wrong about in relation to pages!?!
How did I do it? I chose table > first cell > pasted = as you see in the picture.
How did you or the other guy simply not even imagine this might be a possible solution? I understand that I'm awesome and everything, but still...
I find MacRumors ad position on mobile device is rather annoying.But it can be done. I proved it. You and O'reilly said it wasn't possible and I proved both of you wrong in a matter of seconds! What else are you wrong about in relation to pages!?!
How did I do it? I chose table > first cell > pasted = as you see in the picture.
How did you or the other guy simply not even imagine this might be a possible solution? I understand that I'm awesome and everything, but still...
Ok yes. I would never say there is no chance to copy this table because it is neither copy protected nor displayed on a large outdoor screen, not on your device. What I would want to say is: I select this table, choose copy, go to Pages and choose paste. What should I expect? A table with decent format. I should not need to do what you have done to paste a table. All what I need is a simple paste command.
I admit I couldn't even think about this as a solution. I am a straightforward guy. If one thing I can do in one second, I don't want to waste 5 seconds to do it.
But it can be done. I proved it. You and O'reilly said it wasn't possible and I proved both of you wrong in a matter of seconds! What else are you wrong about in relation to pages!?!
How did I do it? I chose table > first cell > pasted = as you see in the picture.
How did you or the other guy simply not even imagine this might be a possible solution? I understand that I'm awesome and everything, but still...
If you could put your mind to resolving other problems with the new Pages, such as facing pages and linked text boxes that would be great. Also, can you work out how the stop every open document from having its own inspector panel that takes up a quarter of my laptop display, rather than a fixed inspector (or inspectors) with controls that are always in the same place on my display for all my open documents.
Not exactly. The update allows the latest version of iWork to read older docs and supposedly render them correctly... but it doesn't provide the same capabilities that the older version have.
I don't have the latest version installed, but based on what I've seen and heard the latest version of Pages can read in a doc created with Pages '09 and render it so that it looks like it does in Pages '09.
This update is a big step for those who are making the transition from older versions of iWork and simply want access to their older docs. That's big. But it doesn't do anything for enabling the latest version of iWork to do the things that the older versions are capable of.
Yeah and one BIG feature they decided to leave out was the ability to pay for it, but you've conveniently forgotten about that. You expect something free to have as much great features as something we have to pay for.
Oh yeah, they've made so much money off of me. I'm typing this from a 2011 iMac i7 Quad Core. It's nearly 5 years old and guess what, iWork was licensed for a fee when I bought my iMac. Check your facts because you're way off.
WRONG. As I said earlier my iMac is nearly 5 years old (iWork went free in 2013) and the MAS lets me download iWork totally free. When Apple converted iWork from fee-based to free it was available to me to download hassle free.
Of course it's relevant. You just don't like being wrong and you WERE wrong about everything you said earlier. And please don't make stuff up. iWork was NOT meant to be a competitor to Office. Apple never demonstrates it on stage comparing to MS Office.
I don't know how long you've actually been a Mac user but I've been on Macs for nearly 18 years and Apple used to include an office suite of their own with every Mac called AppleWorks. Had a word processor, spreadsheet, presentations, database and more. Did you forget that Microsoft also included a dumbed down office suite with Windows (complete with Word-like, Excel-like and a Mail client) when someone bought a new PC with Windows installed? Yes they did. It was called MS Works.
Apple and Microsoft offered free suites with their OS. They were not meant to compete with MS Office. That's why they don't (and never have) have functionality close to MS Office. It's always been an expensive suite. Free suites like iWork are for people that need occasional word processing and not the bloated MS Office.
Please get your facts straight. It's unnerving to read some of things you said. Caio.
I paid for it, in September 2012.
It shouldn't have been... It was only for people who bought Macs after late 2013...
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/10/23/get-iwork-free-older-macs/
There is a loophole, but its not meant to be free.
Oh please - I used Claris Works which was far better than Appleworks. Whatever you want to say, its a Office Competitor, and for the majority of its existence it was a paid suite. I do see your point, but people are going to compare it to Office and it should be as hopefully Apple will make it a fully fledged competitor. It used to be closer to that back before 2013.
I may not have gotten everything right, but you aren't correct about iWork being free for everyone.
AND??? Did I not say that iWork went free in 2013? Your post makes no sense.
I had to pay for it - yet you say it shouldn't be compared to office because its free.
I meant that it was for the majority of its being, something you paid for. You say its not a competitor, because it is free - but I'm saying it was a paid application for most of its existence.
You were not meant to get it free.
Apple's press release reads:
:Apple today also announced that both iWork and iLife are now free with the purchase of every new Mac® or iOS device."
It was free for any Mac purchase from October 2013 onwards. You got it through a loophole, or you erased your mac and set it up as new.
And you paid how much for iWork? What, $79 maximum? YEAH. And how much has MS Office generally been? What, $349 (which included Outlook) and $149 for the stripped down Home, Student & Teacher version. EXACTLY.
They are NOT in the same class and they were NEVER meant to compete.
You make no sense when you say iWork is only free because you have to buy a new Mac to get it free when before we had to pay $79 for it. It's not like Macs suddenly went up in price to include iWork.
Yeah, ever heard of a sales pitch? Of course they would say iWork comes with any new Mac, in order to get you to buy a new Mac. DUH. If Apple truly wanted to stick to that they would make sure that iWork was machine specific to prevent legacy customers from getting a copy from the MAS.
Once again, sounds like you have personal problem about that. I can't help you there.
In a world of constantly enlarging displays, I guess moving the tools on the side has been a smart move.
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I think you have a problem with understanding that iWork was only free if you bought a machine after October 2013, or if you cheated and installed the iWork 09 trial.
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Maybe there is an alternative way to create pivot tables in Numbers, and they are the SUMIFS and COUNTIFS functions. They are different, but maybe not less powerful.
Using the version before the latest, I could insert the table correctly. It didn't work by just pasting or pasting with matching style. I had to 1) Insert > Table > Normal, 2) delete it, 3) paste and match style. It worked perfectly. Probably the paragraph should have some sort of Table style.
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Dude, let it go. Nobody cheated on anything. And that's a pretty crappy thing to say about your fellow forum members. You just can't stand the fact that the Apple didn't block their legacy customers on the free iWork. You need to chill.
Dude, let it go. Nobody cheated on anything. And that's a pretty crappy thing to say about your fellow forum members. You just can't stand the fact that the Apple didn't block their legacy customers on the free iWork. You need to chill.
Hey you dug into me about factual correctness, while big bit loose with the truth yourself.
The only way to get free iWork on machines that were sold before October 2013 was to A) Cheat the system and trick Apple into thinking you bought iWork 09 by installing the the trial version or B) Buy a new Mac and then have it added to your purchased list on your old Mac ( which is hardly free since you had to buy a new Mac).
Otherwise it should be free on my clients 2011 Mac Mini, who had to purchase iWork earlier this year, or my parent's 2011 iMac, who also had to purchase it. And my 2008 Macbook - I only get the free download because I purchased it on my 2012 Macbook Pro.
I'm sorry but thats factually correct - its what every single website and the Apple site itself says.
Ah, well it looks like I and few others I happen to know didn't cheat the system but have iWork for free and most of the people I know have older Macs 2011 and earlier.
I don't give a crap what's WRITTEN in publications. If it hurts you so much that legacy customers legitimately got iWork for free then take it up with Apple and stop whining about it.
My god, it doesn't hurt me, but Apple didn't set it up like that - its simply not their offical policy. Its plain and simple and its common knowledge that the free iLife program was for new macs. Yes you could download it on an older Mac if you've purchased a newer mac, but if you have 1 Mac which is older than October 2013, its not normal to be able to download iWork. I'd bloody love for it to have been normal, would have saved around 10 of my clients a far bit of money.
Heck I just tried it on a 2008 Aluminium Macbook, a 2010 iMac, a 2012 Macbook Air, a 2011 iMac, and it is a paid purchase on all of them.
How come its listed on the Mac App Store as a purchase?
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Plus http://www.macworld.com/article/2056159/what-you-need-to-know-about-apples-free-apps-policy.html
Its entirely possible you were lucky and the system fluked but Apple's offical policy is it is only a free download if you have post October 2013 Mac, and once you have one, you can download it onto your older Mac. Otherwise it is costs money.
I'm very glad that you got it free - but that doesn't mean its a free program.
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Wow, I really don't know what your problem is or why you are so hostile.
But, I will say that there are a great many reasons to share Word documents, unlike what you claim. And I think most of the working world will agree with me on that one.
You're just really pretentious. I don't believe you have very much work experience (or at least experiences, plural, other than the one job you claim to currently have), nor do I believe you have used very many different word processors. But, hey, this is an internet forum, so you will just claim whatever it is that you want to claim.
Anyway, I'm done with you; you are neither civil, nor rational. But, I would be happy to continue this discussion with others in this thread!
Although I don't express the frustration that @HenryDJP does, I can understand it. There are many who claim that nothing less than the full MS Office suite can be used productively. There are some stating that "it is impossible" to produce professional quality output using iWork 09... even though there are some of us who do so on a regular basis.
There are (admittedly a handful of us) iWork diehards who prefer that Apple beef up the latest version of iWork to be at the level of iWork '09. Although progress is being made, my concern is that iWork '09 will stop working on a newer version of OSX before iWork reaches that point.
I think that the fact that each of Apple's older versions of software have a diehard following (iWork isn't the only one) is a testament to just how well those apps have been designed and coded.
Right, but I never said it couldn't be used productively... Actually, quite the opposite...
I have nothing against iWork. I wouldn't mind seeing it improved, especially in the realm of slideshows and spreadsheets... Only because there seem to be plenty of alternatives for MS Office for word processors, but not slideshows or spreadsheets.
Personally, I rarely use MS Word except to ensure compatibility by checking formatting, etc. before I share a document. If it is a very short document I will probably use Word just to quickly type it up. If it is of medium length I am likely to use Nisus Writer Pro. For longer documents (20-100 pages), I use Scrivener, then export to Word for compatibility. PP and Excel I use because I rarely have to make a spreadsheet or slideshow.
All that I am saying is... I am VERY glad there are alternatives for office software (I use some of them). On the other hand, I am very glad there is a PDF file format, MS Word, etc. They may not be the best, but they do allow for compatibility at minimal cost (i.e. You don't have to buy six different programs to ensure you can open all documents). I am very glad that I can send documents that virtually anyone can read with the formatting that I choose.
I use iWork for everything I do, so I don't think its impossible to do so, but iWork is missing (especially iWork 2013/14/15) numerous features that office has.
The reason why iWork has gone so far backwards for full iOS compatibility - so that any feature seems to have to be added on iOS and OSX.
I'm one of those people who use older versions of Apple software. I used iMovie 6 HD for a while after iWork 08, and i'm currently using iPhoto because Apple couldn't be bothered to include numbers iPhoto features and organisation methods into Photos. I know a lot of people are using the Final Cut Pro before Final Cut Pro X came out.
In terms of iWork, I wish they'd made iWork 09 into the pro version and charged for it and updated it continually as a full Office Competitor, then the normal iWork would just be free and the same as now. Wish they'd done the same with iPhoto and made it Photos Pro.