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Hah. Walk around a college campus, ANY college campus and see how long you can hold onto that thought. Nice try though.

LOL! So true. My great city is home to a plethora of colleges and universities and I can't walk into local a coffee house without seeing a landscape of MBA's and MBP's. I rarely see a student working on a POS Win laptop. :apple:
 
Can someone explain what the Haswell refresh is? I keep seeing it mentioned.

Apologies if someone already answered this. I couldn't see anything in the couple of pages after your post and I can't be bothered to read all 12 pages!

Intel names its processors. The one's in the current Macs are "Ivy Bridge", the previous ones were "Sandy Bridge" and the next crop are going to be "Haswell". They are due out in June which begs the question... when will the Mac lineup be updated to include them?... No one knows but it probably won't be for at least a month or two after their release.
 
So, the rumors saying "all MBPs will have retina display" make no sense now.

Because they already have faster processors (non-retina ones) and if they get same retina display, then there would be no reason to buy the more expensive retina MBPs.

Am I missing something?


It's pretty clear that Apple will be discontinuing the cMBP within the next few years.
 
Apologies if someone already answered this. I couldn't see anything in the couple of pages after your post and I can't be bothered to read all 12 pages!

Intel names its processors. The one's in the current Macs are "Ivy Bridge", the previous ones were "Sandy Bridge" and the next crop are going to be "Haswell". They are due out in June which begs the question... when will the Mac lineup be updated to include them?... No one knows but it probably won't be for at least a month or two after their release.

Thanks!
 
I received mine on the 25th and I just called and they are sending me a return kit, now I am just wondering if its worth it. If there were other "production issues" resolved then yes...

You seem to be outside typical 14 day return/rebate window. How did you manage to get it return? I bought mine on January 19th. :mad::confused:

I wish I could do the same thing. Thanks!
 
I ordered the 15" rMbP on 021113 with Apple Care and a Superdrive. ....I decided I can afford to wait for the Haswell refresh and cancelled it yesterday. ....
Is this how it's going to be for the new 2013 line up? rMbP with i processors are the moderately priced and the Haswell will be the top tier models? I apologize in advance, I am a newbie.

No. When Haswell comes it will likely replace all of the Ivy Bridge models of Retina. This more likely means that Haswell isn't coming any time soon. Intel may announce Haswell in a big June 2 dog-and-pony show (http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/2013012201_Availability_date_of_Haswell_processors_confirmed.html) but Apple likely won't adopt a refreshed rMBP until after 10.9 rolls out. So maybe late July or probably early Aug is a "early" target date for those. It could be later but 6 months from now is likely minimum. Might slide later if there is some quirky redesign they are doing.

For the last several years, Apple tends not to mix different Intel microarchectures in the same product offering unless don't really have a choice. There is only going to be 2-3 offerings with some BTO variances. They aren't going to offer 4-5 rMBP. If having haswell is what it takes to be a "great product" they just stop selling the Ivy Bridge versions.

There is a chance the modern classic MBP might stick around as one basic offering with BTO to hit slightly lower price points. But it too will likely uniformly move over to Haswell.
 
No. When Haswell comes it will likely replace all of the Ivy Bridge models of Retina. This more likely means that Haswell isn't coming any time soon. Intel may announce Haswell in a big June 2 dog-and-pony show (http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/2013012201_Availability_date_of_Haswell_processors_confirmed.html) but Apple likely won't adopt a refreshed rMBP until after 10.9 rolls out. So maybe late July or probably early Aug is a "early" target date for those. It could be later but 6 months from now is likely minimum. Might slide later if there is some quirky redesign they are doing.

July makes sense to me. They released updated MacBook Air and Pro models in July 2011, about a month after the mobile Sandy Bridge chips were released, the day Lion came out, and just in time for the back to school rush. If July holds, we should be hearing about the successor to Mountain Lion soon, though last year they released the updated MacBook Air and rMBP a month before Mountain Lion so they might do that again.
 
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$700. It's still a big drop, though. That was across the board. Apple's NAND pricing finally caught up with reality. SSDs have been $1/GB for almost a year now.

It is more like $800-900 with Apple's pricing. When flip drives in the BTO system you trade in the value of that drive switching from and pay just the increment. The base drive was already built into the price. It is $700 more than that price is what you are paying for the 768GB drive. So Apple is still over $1/GB. But they are much closer to $1 now (around $1.10-1.20 ).
 
Refund of price difference

As usual Apple is pretty good about refunding the difference for 30 days. Just make an appointment.

Apple just gave me a $90 rebate on a refurbished base model MBPr 15 inch. I paid $1869. It's now selling for $1779. I purchased it 8 days ago. Did it over the phone.
 
this is another example of uninformed rumourism - I haven't had any issues - I can be running Final Cut X, Compressor, Logic Audio, Photoshop, Illustrator, Mail, Safari,Pages, Acrobat Reader and Distiller, QuarkXpress, iTunes and a number of other apps all at once with no problems - maybe a little bit of fan cranking and and bit more heat but nowhere near as hot as my old MBP.

The UI is completely fine under this load and I'm running 1900 x 1200 under QuickRes.

Too much 'so and so says rMBP display is a memory hog yadda yadda' - it's a pile of ************* in the real world!

So you don't use the native rez to do your tasks? Not sure what QuickRes is.
 
They removed the 1Gb graphics card option from the non-retina MBP. screw you apple.

No they didn't. They just made all the upgraded models CTO, so they won't be in every store anymore. Select the base 15" cMBP and configure it as you wish. In the meantime, you'll also notice that they lowered the price of SSD upgrades.

That said, we'll probably see the 15" cMBP gone by this summer.
 
So let me get this straight.... the previous high-end model with the 2.7GHz i7 (dual core?) with 8GB RAM.

The new high-end model is the 2.8GHz i7 (quad core) with 16GB RAM.

Is that correct? Can someone show me some benchmarks between these two processors?

Also, I am assuming there is no video card changes at all?
 
So let me get this straight.... the previous high-end model with the 2.7GHz i7 (dual core?) with 8GB RAM.

The new high-end model is the 2.8GHz i7 (quad core) with 16GB RAM.

Is that correct? Can someone show me some benchmarks between these two processors?

Also, I am assuming there is no video card changes at all?


huh? 13inch 2core 15inch 4 core.
 
So let me get this straight.... the previous high-end model with the 2.7GHz i7 (dual core?) with 8GB RAM.

The new high-end model is the 2.8GHz i7 (quad core) with 16GB RAM.

Is that correct? Can someone show me some benchmarks between these two processors?

Also, I am assuming there is no video card changes at all?

If I remember correctly, the previous high-end was 2.7GHz i7 (quad-core) and 16GB RAM. So the only change is a 0.1GHz increase, enjoy.
 
No they didn't. They just made all the upgraded models CTO, so they won't be in every store anymore. Select the base 15" cMBP and configure it as you wish. In the meantime, you'll also notice that they lowered the price of SSD upgrades.

That said, we'll probably see the 15" cMBP gone by this summer.

Oh I see it now, the option is with the processor upgrade.
 
So let me get this straight.... the previous high-end model with the 2.7GHz i7 (dual core?) with 8GB RAM.

The new high-end model is the 2.8GHz i7 (quad core) with 16GB RAM.

Is that correct? Can someone show me some benchmarks between these two processors?

Also, I am assuming there is no video card changes at all?

They have moved up a tier within their respective models. The old options were the i7-3615qm, i7-3720qm, and i7-3820qm. The replacements are the i7-3730qm, i7-3740qm, and i7-3840qm. Cache sizes per tier have not changed- the only increase was a 100MHz bump across the board.
 
this means 1 thing - no haswell till autumn
Doubtful. If Haswell is viable in the summer, Apple has every reason in the world to update the processors in time for the back to school rush. Having outdated MacBook's (especially their flagships) during such a big time in the year for computer sales, is not something Apple will do just because they bumped their processor's clock speeds up a little bit in mid February.
 
LOL! So true. My great city is home to a plethora of colleges and universities and I can't walk into local a coffee house without seeing a landscape of MBA's and MBP's. I rarely see a student working on a POS Win laptop. :apple:

The irony here is rich. All students (poor and using computers mostly for essay writing and FB) have Macbooks. All business users (who do use laptops for a real work) have "POS" Windows laptops. BTW, those POS Windows laptops still have better specs than MBPs.
 
Doubtful. If Haswell is viable in the summer, Apple has every reason in the world to update the processors in time for the back to school rush. Having outdated MacBook's (especially their flagships) during such a big time in the year for computer sales, is not something Apple will do just because they bumped their processor's clock speeds up a little bit in mid February.

doubt whatever you want, but they wouldnt do specs bump if they knew CPUs were around the corner... as I see it, apple knows haswell will be late (in proper amounts and quality) - therefore bump and in sept or october bump with haswell... at least, they are not repeating same mistake they did with imacs...
 
doubt whatever you want, but they wouldnt do specs bump if they knew CPUs were around the corner... as I see it, apple knows haswell will be late (in proper amounts and quality) - therefore bump and in sept or october bump with haswell... at least, they are not repeating same mistake they did with imacs...
5 months isn't really "around the corner" so it's not surprising to think they'll be upgrading sooner than later. After all, this is just a spec bump of the current Ivy Bridge chips. The price drops are a bigger deal to be honest. Dropping new chips in July doesn't seem completely unlikely. But true, August seems to be a little more likely for a Haswell lineup.
 
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